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Tbf, this was pretty standard for them to do since the beginning of the MCU for every movie they did. So it wasn't that they thought Eternals was gonna be the next GOTG, it was just par for the course.
Yes, this. I clearly remember Sebastian Stan signing a multi-project contract for First Avenger, and he wasn't even one of the lead characters. They want to secure continuity if they decide to proceed with a certain character.
 
Yes, this. I clearly remember Sebastian Stan signing a multi-project contract for First Avenger, and he wasn't even one of the lead characters. They want to secure continuity if they decide to proceed with a certain character.
Yeah iirc he signed a 9 picture contract.
 
I am baffled as to why Marvel signed an actor to such a long term contract, for not only movies but a VIDEO GAME (something they haven't done with anyone else?), for a completely obscure Marvel IP that was unproven. They really thought Eternals was gonna become the new Guardians Of The Galaxy didn't they.
These kind of contracts existed since X3 days.
 
I wonder if the MCU should take a break.At this point Gen Z and Gen Alpha are more nostalgic for Minecraft than Marvel.
 
I wonder if the MCU should take a break.At this point Gen Z and Gen Alpha are more nostalgic for Minecraft than Marvel.
Absolutely, a nice five-year break (maybe more?) after Secret Wars to figure out exactly where to go from now on and what's the actual audience's expectations are regarding the superhero genre, to avoid the post-Endgame disaster.

However, since they are already rushing the production of the new X-Men movie, which is supposed to follow immediately the MCU soft-reboot, I don't hold my breath.
 
They put out way the **** too many shows and movies I know that much. And now their present and future is crameos and nostalgia bait.
 
I wonder if the MCU should take a break.At this point Gen Z and Gen Alpha are more nostalgic for Minecraft than Marvel.
The whole genre should take a break to be honest.

The reason Marvel won't is because DC is trying to get a new universe off the ground and they don't want to leave a vacuum for DC to pick off potential younger fans while they sit idle on the sidelines. So even if both studios wanted to take a break, unless both agree to do it simultaneously, it's not happening due to fear of being left behind. Even a five year break could seem like an eternity if the competition is consistently putting out films.

The glut of these films inevitably feel more suffocating than anything.
 
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They aren't going to take a five year break. Thats not just realistic. They already didn't give us a new Iron Man/Steve Rogers/X-Men/Avengers movie for years, and you expect them not to do any Marvel movies in a span of 5 years.... especially when WB is releasing DC movies every year. And there's Sony, with their Spider-Man/spinoff projects.
 

Marvel also doesn't always make the best use of the A-list talent they get. Look at how they treated John Malkovich (bringing him in to play a FF villain in First Steps, only to completely cut him). There is no prestige or clout in being in crap like Secret Invasion, or being cast in a Marvel movie only to have your role completely cut. Actors can make just as much money doing other things, so why deal with that bull**** if they don't have to? No surprise actors are not as keen as they were to star in a Marvel movie as they once were during the peak of the MCU's popularity.
 
I feel like it depends on the project. Marvel TV has never been huge outside of the fanbase.

While I wouldn't call John Malkovich a superstar like actors like Tom Cruise, Angelina Jolie and Anne Hathaway. If those people were supposed to appear in a MCU movie and then get cut, that would have been something. I do agree, they wasted some of their A-listers like Angelina Jolie, who should have been associated with a bigger Marvel ip rather than Eternals.
 
Marvel also doesn't always make the best use of the A-list talent they get.
True. He might not be an A-lister but I was pretty angry that they got rid of Ben Mendelsohn in Secret Invasion in such a forgettable fashion.

Though the recent passing of Robert Redford reminded me that they actually did get to give him a pretty neat role in Winter Soldier. And I remember it was great seeing him again in Endgame which was after he had retired.
 
The whole genre should take a break to be honest.

The reason Marvel won't is because DC is trying to get a new universe off the ground and they don't want to leave a vacuum for DC to pick off potential younger fans while they sit idle on the sidelines. So even if both studios wanted to take a break, unless both agree to do it simultaneously, it's not happening due to fear of being left behind. Even a five year break could seem like an eternity if the competition is consistently putting out films.

The glut of these films inevitably feel more suffocating than anything.
Actually, that isn't at all why. The reason is because Marvel Movie = Merchandies/Licensing Opportunity. No movies for 5 years, that's 5 years of lower revenue from merch deals, licensing, theme park traffic, etc. That's where the profit on these is really made. Not on the movies them selves. The movies are what fees the rest of the ecosystem of revenue. That's why Marvel won't just take a 5 year break
 
Actually, that isn't at all why. The reason is because Marvel Movie = Merchandies/Licensing Opportunity. No movies for 5 years, that's 5 years of lower revenue from merch deals, licensing, theme park traffic, etc. That's where the profit on these is really made. Not on the movies them selves. The movies are what fees the rest of the ecosystem of revenue. That's why Marvel won't just take a 5 year break
Then what's the hold-up on Star Wars films? It's been a bleak six years since the last one. All the merchandising opportunities lost...
 
Then what's the hold-up on Star Wars films? It's been a bleak six years since the last one. All the merchandising opportunities lost...
Star Wars is always putting content out. Theatrically, no. But they have had at least 1 D+ show annually. Usually multiple. So they've had plenty.

As for their lack of movies, that wasn't by design. They have cancelled tons of movies. So that's been issues of development hell. Not some strategy of "freeze it so they miss it." And like I said, Star Wars hasn't left the public even without movies
 
Two movies and two shows a year I feel are the sweet spot quantity wise, with an exception possibly being made in the years a Spider-Man film is on the schedule.
 
Star Wars is always putting content out. Theatrically, no. But they have had at least 1 D+ show annually. Usually multiple. So they've had plenty.

As for their lack of movies, that wasn't by design. They have cancelled tons of movies. So that's been issues of development hell. Not some strategy of "freeze it so they miss it." And like I said, Star Wars hasn't left the public even without movies
The mere fact they've cancelled films, for whatever reason, only helps my point. If merch opportunities was the prime driver they would have found a way to pump something out in 6 years. If the film is not good and you are getting diminishing returns on your IP, surely the merch sales will reflect that also. No, they are clearly taking their time to get the films back on track first.

The D+ shows aside from the first year of The Mandalorian do not drive merch or feed the attractions at their parks. It's the tentpole films that do the heavy lifting. The main initiative of their streaming shows is to drive up subscriptions for their app.

Most of their Star Wars streaming content has been arguably as hurtful to the brand as helpful. Or mostly forgettable in general. Even a show like Andor which has been quite positive amongst fandom, is pretty low resolution in the zeitgeist. Streaming is just small potatoes compared to films. I don't see how it helps your argument.
 
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The mere fact they've cancelled films, for whatever reason, only helps my point. If merch opportunities was the prime driver they would have found a way to pump something out in 6 years. If the film is not good and you are getting diminishing returns on your IP, surely the merch sales will reflect that also. No, they are clearly taking their time to get the films back on track first.

The D+ shows aside from the first year of The Mandalorian do not drive merch or feed the attractions at their parks. It's the tentpole films that do the heavy lifting. The main initiative of their streaming shows is to drive up subscriptions for their app.

Most of their Star Wars streaming content has been arguably as hurtful to the brand as helpful. Or mostly forgettable in general. Even a show like Andor which has been quite positive amongst fandom, is pretty low resolution in the zeitgeist. Streaming is just small potatoes compared to films. I don't see how it helps your argument.
If you go to the store, there are Star Wars characters on Coke cans and merch all over the place for the various D+ shows when they debut. They 100% do drive merch and such, or at least create licensing deals. Disney has thus found a way to pump out lots of Star Wars in the last 6 years. We also have a Mando movie coming next year, stemming from those D+ shows.

We can argue about whether or not the shows have hurt the brand from a brand perception and quality standpoint. But the one thing they do accomplish still is making the company money off merch and licensing deals. Coke didn't get the new Star Wars cans they're putting out for free. They paid Disney for that. That's why they haven't abandoned making the shows.

If Disney wanted to freeze Star Wars a a business strategy, they wouldn't have cancelled movies case by case. They would have cancelled everything at once and refocused the brand meticulously. That's not what they did. They cancelled each one mid development cause of some issue with the project in question. And then kept the D+ content flowing to keep the Star Wars ecosystem flowing. Marvel also isn't stopping D+ content either. They're just switching focus to other characters or animation to fuel that same ecosystem. You will never see Disney just freeze either brand entirely, and that's all based on licensing deals. DC or other franchises has little to nothing to do with the broader strategy
 
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Two movies and two shows a year I feel are the sweet spot quantity wise, with an exception possibly being made in the years a Spider-Man film is on the schedule.
I disagree with two shows. None of the Mcu shows really felt like an event and minimizing it to one (5 shows in 5 years rather than 10 shows or seasons in 5 years), would help. Less is more considering people aren't eating them like hot pancakes.

With movies, it depends because we know they could put out 3 movies that could get great reviews/great box office (see 2017 to 2019). Its just the quality over-all wasn't up to par in years like 2025 (Brave New World), 2021 (Eternals), Quantumania (2023) and 2022 (Love and Thunder), that it became quantity over quality and kinda ruined the brand.
 
I disagree with two shows. None of the Mcu shows really felt like an event and minimizing it to one (5 shows in 5 years rather than 10 shows or seasons in 5 years), would help. Less is more considering people aren't eating them like hot pancakes.

With movies, it depends because we know they could put out 3 movies that could get great reviews/great box office (see 2017 to 2019). Its just the quality over-all wasn't up to par in years like 2025 (Brave New World), 2021 (Eternals), Quantumania (2023) and 2022 (Love and Thunder), that it became quantity over quality and kinda ruined the brand.
2 movies 1 show 1 special would be sweet.
 
I disagree with two shows. None of the Mcu shows really felt like an event and minimizing it to one (5 shows in 5 years rather than 10 shows or seasons in 5 years), would help. Less is more considering people aren't eating them like hot pancakes.

With movies, it depends because we know they could put out 3 movies that could get great reviews/great box office (see 2017 to 2019). Its just the quality over-all wasn't up to par in years like 2025 (Brave New World), 2021 (Eternals), Quantumania (2023) and 2022 (Love and Thunder), that it became quantity over quality and kinda ruined the brand.
The shows don't need to be events though. That's part of what the issue has been with them. You can easily do 2 shows in a year. Just let them be shows, which I think they're now closer to doing. Reduce the budget and scope, but have better storylines and make them more episodic like TV
 
If you go to the store, there are Star Wars characters on Coke cans and merch all over the place for the various D+ shows when they debut. They 100% do drive merch and such, or at least create licensing deals. Disney has thus found a way to pump out lots of Star Wars in the last 6 years. We also have a Mando movie coming next year, stemming from those D+ shows.

We can argue about whether or not the shows have hurt the brand from a brand perception and quality standpoint. But the one thing they do accomplish still is making the company money off merch and licensing deals. Coke didn't get the new Star Wars cans they're putting out for free. They paid Disney for that. That's why they haven't abandoned making the shows.

If Disney wanted to freeze Star Wars a a business strategy, they wouldn't have cancelled movies case by case. They would have cancelled everything at once and refocused the brand meticulously. That's not what they did. They cancelled each one mid development cause of some issue with the project in question. And then kept the D+ content flowing to keep the Star Wars ecosystem flowing. Marvel also isn't stopping D+ content either. They're just switching focus to other characters or animation to fuel that same ecosystem. You will never see Disney just freeze either brand entirely, and that's all based on licensing deals. DC or other franchises has little to nothing to do with the broader strategy
So what happens when the ecosystem doesn't flow like it used to? If the stories you are creating turn away a section of the fanbase and the IP is not getting the returns it once did over multiple projects? Do the licensing fees, merch sales, and park attendance numbers not diminish? A much less bountiful ecosystem is still better then taking time to get a solid plan and getting it right? Everything flows downstream from the stories, if the merch is for a divisive project or a terrible film, than ultimately it's not good for anyone long term and the chickens will always come home to roost.

It's also naive to think that studios don't track or are influenced by what other studios are doing (see WB with Marvel) that's the history of Hollywood, particularly when competing against another iconic brand like DC in what is still the biggest genre at the moment. I know you dismissed it to make your point, I'm just not convinced this is the paradigm they are slaves to.
 
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