the massive plothole thread

[spider-neil]

post the biggest plothole you've seen in a movie.

I'll start;

T2
the t-1-000 stabs sarah conner's shoulder and tells her to 'call to john' entending its finger to show her he will kill her is she doesn't comply, yet earlier in the movie the rules are clearly established that the t-1000 samples anything it has physical contact with and then it destroys the original.

the t-1000 was touching sarah and thus didn't need her to call john as it could have done it itself. it could (and should) have killed sarah and called john.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Long answer short for that one.

She's Sarah Connor. The main fricking character. They can sometimes get by certain rules, especially in action and horror movies.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Good point Neil. She didn't appear in any other movies, so killing her character would have had little impact on the next movie. Maybe they needed to pad out another 10 minutes of play time....LOL

In the American Godzilla movie, when the helicopters were being chased by the 40 story beast, why didn't they just increase altitude, instead of racing in between buildings?

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Still not seen a plot hole in this thread. Especially the thing about Godzilla's remake. Hate that movie, but that's written that way for action/suspense reasons, much like the Sarah thing.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Being a common movie cliche isn't an explanation for how it's not a plot hole.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

A plot hole is a hole in the plot that makes the plot not connect together. Just because Sarah wasn't killed by T-1000 or the helicopters didn't do the ''smart" thing doesn't mean the plot has a hole in it.

That's like saying every horror movie is riddled with plotholes because the main characters run upstairs and examine strange noises than going out the front door/calling the cops.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I would consider the T2 thing a plot hole because it was pretty smart throughout the entire film until that moment while in Godzilla everyone seemed to be stupid so it makes sense they'd do a stupid thing in that scene. Seriously, if a machine had the ability to replicate voices it would not resort to relying on a human in that manner. You could cut that scene out and just show the T-1000 trying to trick Connor by posing as Sarah later and it would make more sense.

 

[LOBO3315a]

I always thought a plot hole was something introduced in a movie that does not perform the same as it does in real life.

Helicopters can reach and sustain altitudes of thousands of feet. Godzillas do not exist. However they have nuclear fire-breath and can use it, rather than chasing said helicopters through a maze of buildings. That's not a plot hole since Godzillas are not real.

 

[chaseter]

Wolverine: The Entire Movie

 

[Harry_Lime02]

I've always wondered how Superman got out of his FOS in Superman 2 without his powers. It's in the middle of the ****ing arctic.

The scene in MI2 where it's revealed Tom Cruise swapped faces with the bad guys henchman makes very little sense. Where the hell did he get the mask from? He'd never even met the guy.

 

[Casius--J]

I've always wondered how Superman got out of his FOS in Superman 2 without his powers. It's in the middle of the ****ing arctic.

The scene in MI2 where it's revealed Tom Cruise swapped faces with the bad guys henchman makes very little sense. Where the hell did he get the mask from? He'd never even met the guy.

Simon Ambrose worked for the same agency as Ethan Hunt so they would have images of him and his henchmen

 

[spider-neil]

Still not seen a plot hole in this thread. Especially the thing about Godzilla's remake. Hate that movie, but that's written that way for action/suspense reasons, much like the Sarah thing.

the sarah conner thing is ABSOLUTELY a plot hole.

 

[spider-neil]

for the record my definition of a plot hole is when you establish rules -

for example 'the matrix'
* you can't escape the matrix unless it's via a hard line
* agents can bend the rules of gravity etc but not break them
* agents can be anyone one not connected to the matrix

etc

and then break those rules in order to get the plot from 'a' to 'b'

 

[TheShah]

There's certain things that would end a movie within first 15 minutes.
Obviously that has to be worked around to push the story forward.
That's where suspension of disblief comes into play.

 

[spider-neil]

I've always wondered how Superman got out of his FOS in Superman 2 without his powers. It's in the middle of the ****ing arctic.

you mean how did clark kent and lois reach the greasy diner once superman's powers were removed? I assume the FOS has the power to teleport anyone to any position on earth, the 'real' question is once clark had lost his powers how did he REACH the FOS to have his powers restored?

 

[TheShah]

If you want an explanation to the Sarah Conner thing:

1) In T2, killing John was the priority. So maybe the T-1000 didn't kill Sarah right away to use her against him.

2) She's too much of a commodity to kill right away. Maybe she might've been used as a hostage had John gotten away that time.

3) Maybe he wanted to kill John before he killed her.

 

[spider-neil]

superman 1
superman flies round the world to make time go backwards (he is actually moving back in time himself not making the earth spin backs as some people suggest)

okay, so he has flown back in time, the missles never get launched, how do the krypton villians escape ready for superman 2?

 

[spider-neil]

If you want an explanation to the Sarah Conner thing:

1) In T2, killing John was the priority. So maybe the T-1000 didn't kill Sarah right away to use her against him.

2) She's too much of a commodity to kill right away. Maybe she might've been used as a hostage had John gotten away that time.

3) Maybe he wanted to kill John before he killed her.

that doesn't make any sense.

the t-1000 has the power to mimic any person and their voice HIMSELF why does he need sarah? answer: he doesn't.

 

[Majik1387]

Reason why the Sarah Connor thing is NOT a plothole.

He tells her to call out to John or he'll kill her, it cuts away fast and he's imitating Sarah and the real Sarah comes out of hiding pumping grenades into him.

For all you guys know, she could have easily escaped the T-1000 when he was distracted by John calling out to her. As for why he wouldn't chase after her is because his mission is to get John, not Sarah; And considering he already had what he needed to imitate Sarah, he'd just focus on the mission he was given.

It is NOT a plothole. Just because it didn't show exactly what happened, does not make it a plothole.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

superman 1
superman flies round the world to make time go backwards (he is actually moving back in time himself not making the earth spin backs as some people suggest)

okay, so he has flown back in time, the missles never get launched, how do the krypton villians escape ready for superman 2?

Okay. Sequels really don't count in plotholes.

You really need to look up the definition of this word.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

i thought when superman went back in time he still threw one of the missles into space...hence the phantom zone getting broken. those were the repercussions for meddling in human affairs or something, at least according to the richard donner cut (which i consider the definitive cut).

 

[Mister H.]

A plot hole is a hole in the plot that makes the plot not connect together. Just because Sarah wasn't killed by T-1000 or the helicopters didn't do the ''smart" thing doesn't mean the plot has a hole in it.

That's like saying every horror movie is riddled with plotholes because the main characters run upstairs and examine strange noises than going out the front door/calling the cops.

Uhh, I inspect strange noises in my house. I don't call the cops.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Uhh, I inspect strange noises in my house. I don't call the cops.

And that's why you'll be killed by insert your favorite movie monster here.

 

[spider-neil]

Reason why the Sarah Connor thing is NOT a plothole.

He tells her to call out to John or he'll kill her, it cuts away fast and he's imitating Sarah and the real Sarah comes out of hiding pumping grenades into him.

For all you guys know, she could have easily escaped the T-1000 when he was distracted by John calling out to her. As for why he wouldn't chase after her is because his mission is to get John, not Sarah; And considering he already had what he needed to imitate Sarah, he'd just focus on the mission he was given.

It is NOT a plothole. Just because it didn't show exactly what happened, does not make it a plothole.

okay, you've lost me.

* the t-1000 has poked sarah though her shoulder

* the t-1000 by touching her 'NOW' has the ability to copy her perfectly including her voice

* the t-1-000 then extends its other 'finger' and tells her to 'call to john' (something it can now already do)

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the t-1000 could have extended it's finger through her head (killing her) and called to john himself.

is this or is this not a FACT?!

 

[Majik1387]

okay, you've lost me.

* the t-1000 has poked sarah though her shoulder

* the t-1000 by touching her 'NOW' has the ability to copy her perfectly including her voice

* the t-1-000 then extends its other 'finger' and tells her to 'call to john' (something it can now already do)

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the t-1000 could have extended it's finger through her head (killing her) and called to john himself.

is this or is this not a FACT?!

Doesn't matter if it's a fact or not, it doesn't break the rules the movie laid out. Sorry you didn't like the t-1000's mode of thinking at that moment.