the massive plothole thread

[redhawk23]

what a random thing to point out in T2 as a plothole, considering the entire plot of T2 is a gigantic plot hole just due to the rediculous time paradox.

If they stop judgement day, John never seends back Kyle, John is never born, Judgement day happenns.

Also in this iteration John doesn't exist, but if John doesn't exist the first termanator doesn't get sent back in time to kill sarah, and dyson never gets a hold of the chip, so would Judgement day even still happen then?

This is like the Sarlacc Pit of plotholes, but I love it.

 

[Majik1387]

my point is this, throughout the movie the t-1000 is gaining disguises through physical contact, the next step the t-1000 kills the person it copies

* the policeman
* the foster parent
* the mental institution guard

the t-1000 MO (modus operandi) = touch - copy - kill

then with sarah conner it's = touch - tell her to call to john - leave alive

okay, people think that's not a plot hole, fair enough, I'll leave it there.

And that process of touch - copy - kill was interrupted, as I have continued to say. The camera is then focused on John instead of following the interruption with the t-1000 and Sarah. Again, NOT a plothole.

I didn't say that he did not touch the kid. He was saying that everything that the T-1000 CHOSE TO COPY made physical at some point. Whereas you misconstrued his statement to be "the T-1000 copied everything it touched." Can you see the difference between the two, now?

I knew what his meanings of copied and touched. You were the one who brought up physical contact vs touch.

A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_hole


Ex: The Joker's crazy plans throughout TDK.

Exactly.

that's my definition of plot hole as well. you set up rules, follow those rules and then break the rules you yourself set up.

T2 still didn't break that rule.

 

[Carcharodon]

That's not what that definition means. It says nothing about "rules," and no "rules" were broken when the T-1000 didn't transform into Sarah Connor and when it left her alive.

However, it DID go "against the flow of logic established by the story's plot," to an extent. There's really no conceivable reason that the T-1000 should have left her alive.

So, according to your definition, it isn't a plot-hole. According to the definition posted by Travesty, however, it could be considered such.

 

[SuperFerret]

The T-1000 made a poor decision to leave her alive and it was killed because of it. Poor decisions get people and robots killed all the time.

 

[SuperFerret]

The T-1000 made a poor decision to leave her alive and it was killed because of it. Poor decisions get people and robots killed all the time.

 

[SuperFerret]

The T-1000 made a poor decision to leave her alive and it was killed because of it. Poor decisions get people and robots killed all the time.

 

[John Locke]

Citizen Kane- The entire moving everyone in the world is trying to find out what Rosebud meant when no one was around to hear him say it.

 

[TheShah]

I didn't say that he did not touch the kid. He was saying that everything that the T-1000 CHOSE TO COPY made physical at some point. Whereas you misconstrued his statement to be "the T-1000 copied everything it touched." Can you see the difference between the two, now?

That being the important thing.
"Chose"... he didn't choose to copy Sarah Connor, for whatever reason (some ideas presented earlier in the thread) but that doesn't a plothole make.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

who random thing to point out in T2 as a plothole, considering the entire plot of T2 is a gigantic plot hole just due to the rediculous time paradox.

If they stop judgement day, John never seends back Kyle, John is never born, Judgement day happenns.

Also in this iteration John doesn't exist, but if John doesn't exist the first termanator doesn't get sent back in time to kill sarah, and dyson never gets a hold of the chip, so would Judgement day even still happen then?

This is like the Sarlacc Pit of plotholes, but I love it.

this.

 

[TheShah]

who random thing to point out in T2 as a plothole, considering the entire plot of T2 is a gigantic plot hole just due to the rediculous time paradox.

If they stop judgement day, John never seends back Kyle, John is never born, Judgement day happenns.

Also in this iteration John doesn't exist, but if John doesn't exist the first termanator doesn't get sent back in time to kill sarah, and dyson never gets a hold of the chip, so would Judgement day even still happen then?

This is like the Sarlacc Pit of plotholes, but I love it.

I don't think a paradox is a plothole.
A paradox is a paradox is a paradox. lol.

It's a vicious cycle of something happening, which makes it not happen, but then it happens because of the previous not happening. lol.
Just pop two Tylenol Migraines before getting on that merry-go-round.

 

[spider-neil]

if they wanted to explain away why the t-1000 doesn't kill sarah they could say the t-1000 was broken after walking through liquid nitrogen so needed the original to call to john but even that doesn't work because later on in the movie the t-1000 actually assumes sarah's form AND her voice (albeit with her feet fused to the floor) and calls to john before the real sarah fills the t-1000 with grenades.

 

[TheShah]

I have a question.
Did we see a Robert Patrick human, before the T-1000 'copied' him?
Or was that the T-1000's base appearance?

 

[Ghostvirus]

http://periannath.com/feature/why-doesnt-frodo-just-ride-an-eagle-to-mount-doom/

Wait, people are actually serious about that! WTF! LOTR is one of the greatest trilogies of all-time. Why cut it down to nothing?

I love how everybody it debating a pointless section of T2. When the huge elephant in the room is that befor T3 came out. The plot hole was that if they stopped the machines from existing in T2, Connors father doesn't go back in time & implant his awesome seed into her tunnel of fun. Therefore John Connor never existed.

Now that ladies & gentlemen is a plothole.

 

[spider-neil]

Wait, people are actually serious about that! WTF! LOTR is one of the greatest trilogies of all-time. Why cut it down to nothing?

I love how everybody it debating a pointless section of T2. When the huge elephant in the room is that befor T3 came out. The plot hole was that if they stopped the machines from existing in T2, Connors father doesn't go back in time & implant his awesome seed into her tunnel of fun. Therefore John Connor never existed.

Now that ladies & gentlemen is a plothole.

I always thought of the future as something that simply 'IS'

reese already 'is' the father of john conner
the war has 'already' happened
skynet has 'already' created the machines

fate rather than destiny with people just playing out their part.

 

[Ghostvirus]

who random thing to point out in T2 as a plothole, considering the entire plot of T2 is a gigantic plot hole just due to the rediculous time paradox.

If they stop judgement day, John never seends back Kyle, John is never born, Judgement day happenns.

Also in this iteration John doesn't exist, but if John doesn't exist the first termanator doesn't get sent back in time to kill sarah, and dyson never gets a hold of the chip, so would Judgement day even still happen then?

This is like the Sarlacc Pit of plotholes, but I love it.

Oopps I did not read this first.

 

[spider-neil]

I have a question.
Did we see a Robert Patrick human, before the T-1000 'copied' him?
Or was that the T-1000's base appearance?

the base form is robert patrick but the t-1000 takes on the form of the police uniform from the police officer it kills when it first arrives. that's how I saw it.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

if they wanted to explain away why the t-1000 doesn't kill sarah they could say the t-1000 was broken after walking through liquid nitrogen so needed the original to call to john but even that doesn't work because later on in the movie the t-1000 actually assumes sarah's form AND her voice (albeit with her feet fused to the floor) and calls to john before the real sarah fills the t-1000 with grenades.

One thing, watch the DC of T2, The T-1000 is damaged and the reason John knows the T-1000 isnt Sarah when the real Sarah comes up behind it is because the T-1000's feet are merging with the floor.

 

[Mister H.]

And that's why you'll be killed by insert your favorite movie monster here.

Leatherface? God, that's going to suck.

 

[TheShah]

the base form is robert patrick but the t-1000 takes on the form of the police uniform from the police officer it kills when it first arrives. that's how I saw it.

lol.
I meant, did we see Robert Patrick the actor as a generic police officer, who the T-1000 copied?
I remember that the T-1000 arrived naked AS Robert Patrick right?

Just like how Arnold is the template for his brand of Terminators.

 

[Travesty]

I think this vid kinda relates, plus, it's funny as hell.t:

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[LOBO3315a]

I don't remember him mimicking this kid when he ended up pushing him away.

But let me guess, you're gonna say because he didn't stab him or kill him.

In all fairness, that mullet was probably outside the scope of its mimicry....
I agree the 'typically' part of Arnold's statement means that there are times the T-1000 doesn't terminate the subject impersonated. Maybe she had to be there to make sure something happened after the T-1000 was destroyed. Like a secondary order if it could not kill John, it had to make sure Sarah was still alive for some reason.

Jackasscoley15 that blog was a pretty good explaination about the Eagles. Also, if he would have tried to drop the Ring from Eagle-back, there's every chance it would have found a way to not fall into the crater of Mt Doom.

As for Godzillas and panicking I can accept that you might crash your helicopter, but doing a 'Luke Skywalker' with a 40 story beast trying to eat you seems a bit farfetched. However, I withdraw it as a plot hole, as it does not meet the critera established in the earlier post.

 

[Max J Power]

Signs. If the aliens are hurt by water, how could they even set foot on Earth?

 

[dark_b]

maybe they were stupid aliens?i mean stupid aliens who got the keys to the flying ship.

was the movie about aliens and Earth logic or was it about the characters from the house?

if Signs was all about the aliens and they would explain 50% of the movie's science i would agree.

 

[dark_b]

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[Majik1387]

Signs. If the aliens are hurt by water, how could they even set foot on Earth?

Because there's no water on dirt.

Granted, that movie, along with every alien killed by water movie, had it's flaws, but it's not a plothole, just stupidity on the characters of the aliens.
Though the Earth is more water than land, there still is a huge amount of land that movie aliens may want.