the massive plothole thread

[spider-neil]

Okay. Sequels really don't count in plotholes.

You really need to look up the definition of this word.

to be fair superman 1 and 2 were filmed as one movie

 

[SuperFerret]

post the biggest plothole you've seen in a movie.

I'll start;

T2
the t-1-000 stabs sarah conner's shoulder and tells her to 'call to john' entending its finger to show her he will kill her is she doesn't comply, yet earlier in the movie the rules are clearly established that the t-1000 samples anything it has physical contact with and then it destroys the original.

the t-1000 was touching sarah and thus didn't need her to call john as it could have done it itself. it could (and should) have killed sarah and called john.

The T-1000 doesn't have to sample and transform, and in this case, it chose not to.

In the American Godzilla movie, when the helicopters were being chased by the 40 story beast, why didn't they just increase altitude, instead of racing in between buildings?

Because they were being chased during their mission to destroy the monster, and gaining altitude would prevent them from getting clear shots on the beast. Plus, y'know, getting chased by a giant iguana causes panic, and panic causes you to not think straight and die.

 

[spider-neil]

Doesn't matter if it's a fact or not, it doesn't break the rules the movie laid out. Sorry you didn't like the t-1000's mode of thinking at that moment.

it does break the rules

terminator - the 1-000 can copy anything it samples by physical contact

john - what happens to the original?

terminator - typically the subject is terminated

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

okay, you've lost me.

* the t-1000 has poked sarah though her shoulder

* the t-1000 by touching her 'NOW' has the ability to copy her perfectly including her voice

* the t-1-000 then extends its other 'finger' and tells her to 'call to john' (something it can now already do)

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the t-1000 could have extended it's finger through her head (killing her) and called to john himself.

is this or is this not a FACT?!

Ideas :
- John knows the trick so maybe the T 1000 thought it would be best to not impersonate Sarah and let her call for John.
- The T 1000 was previously damaged ( even if it was not visible ) and he was stuck to his last appearance.
- The T 1000 could not mimic the awesomeness of Sarah.

 

[Kent]

Doesn't matter if it's a fact or not, it doesn't break the rules the movie laid out. Sorry you didn't like the t-1000's mode of thinking at that moment.

This is fantabulously ridiculous. It's a plot-hole. Live with it.

 

[Majik1387]

it does break the rules

terminator - the 1-000 can copy anything it samples by physical contact

john - what happens to the original?

terminator - typically the subject is terminated

Yeah, typically; not every single time.

It's not a plothole because it doesn't affect nor contradict the plot of the movie.

The T-1000 doesn't have to sample and transform, and in this case, it chose not to.

Exactly.

 

[spider-neil]

The T-1000 doesn't have to sample and transform, and in this case, it chose not to.

yes it does, every single person the t-1000 copied touched it, even the fat security guard at the mental institute touched it by walking on it when it was mimicing the floor.

 

[SuperFerret]

it does break the rules

terminator - the 1-000 can copy anything it samples by physical contact

john - what happens to the original?

terminator - typically the subject is terminated

Can, not must.

 

[Majik1387]

yes it does, every single person the t-1000 copied touched it, even the fat security guard at the mental institute touched it by walking on it when it was mimicing the floor.

I don't remember him mimicking this kid when he ended up pushing him away.

But let me guess, you're gonna say because he didn't stab him or kill him.

 

[matrix_ghost]

C'mon. Many so called "plotholes" are really moments which would immediatly stop the movie half way.
For example the Godzilla one. Why don't the pilots pull up since the Godzilla in that movie doesn't have the ability to fly or jump high or have atomic breath. Answer : Because they need to have a cool action scene.

Or why doesn't Frodo fly to Mordor with the eagles and immediatly throw the ring in Mount Doom while Aragorn and the humans fight outside Mordor with the orcs .

Even Transformers has such a plothole. If the humans have ammo that is capable of taking down a transformer , why would they need the autobots help. Just manufacture the ammo on a massive scale and every time a decepticon arrives you just fire on him from the ground or the air.

 

[spider-neil]

I don't remember him mimicking this kid when he ended up pushing him away.

But let me guess, you're gonna say because he didn't stab him or kill him.

mimicing john's friend would have made no sense whatsoever even if the t-1000 now had the means to do it because john would have known he left the kid behind at the arcade.

 

[spider-neil]

Or why doesn't Frodo fly to Mordor with the eagles and immediatly throw the ring in Mount Doom while Aragorn and the humans fight outside Mordor with the orcs .

suaron's eye would have shot them out the sky.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

This thread makes me facepalm so hard, because the word plothole is a word most people just don't know the definition of.

 

[matrix_ghost]

suaron's eye would have shot them out the sky.

Hence why the humans need to focus sauron's attention to them. But noooo we need an entire trilogy for Aragorn to become a king and unite mankind and kill off Boromir for being a *****e.

 

[Majik1387]

mimicing john's friend would have made no sense whatsoever even if the t-1000 now had the means to do it because john would have known he left the kid behind at the arcade.

Your logic is what doesn't make sense.

He didn't kill Sarah Connor because he didn't want to. You're upset they didn't show the transition from John calling to Sarah from off-screen to showing him looking for her in the factory. That doesn't make it a plothole in any way because it doesn't contradict the plot of the movie at all.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Or why doesn't Frodo fly to Mordor with the eagles and immediatly throw the ring in Mount Doom while Aragorn and the humans fight outside Mordor with the orcs .

I think I remember ( from the books ) that the Eagles weren't available or not willing to help at the beginning of the quest. I could be wrong too...

 

[Jackasscoley15]

I don't remember him mimicking this kid when he ended up pushing him away.

But let me guess, you're gonna say because he didn't stab him or kill him.

He didn't say that the T-1000 copied everything it touched, genius. He said everything that he copied made physical contact at some point. Now it just seems you're looking for things to argue about.

 

[SuperFerret]

Going in on foot would attract less attention, which is the point of the quest in the first place.

 

[SuperFerret]

He didn't say that the T-1000 copied everything it touched, genius. He said everything that he copied made physical contact at some point. Now it just seems you're looking for things to argue about.

He's acting like it did. As I said (and Majik agreed), the T-1000 has the capability to transform into things it touches, but it chose not to do so in this instance.

 

[Majik1387]

He didn't say that the T-1000 copied everything it touched, genius. He said everything that he copied made physical contact at some point. Now it just seems you're looking for things to argue about.

How is touching not physical contact?

 

[spider-neil]

my point is this, throughout the movie the t-1000 is gaining disguises through physical contact, the next step the t-1000 kills the person it copies

* the policeman
* the foster parent
* the mental institution guard

the t-1000 MO (modus operandi) = touch - copy - kill

then with sarah conner it's = touch - tell her to call to john - leave alive

okay, people think that's not a plot hole, fair enough, I'll leave it there.

 

[Jackasscoley15]

Or why doesn't Frodo fly to Mordor with the eagles and immediatly throw the ring in Mount Doom while Aragorn and the humans fight outside Mordor with the orcs .

http://periannath.com/feature/why-doesnt-frodo-just-ride-an-eagle-to-mount-doom/

 

[Jackasscoley15]

How is touching not physical contact?

I didn't say that he did not touch the kid. He was saying that everything that the T-1000 CHOSE TO COPY made physical at some point. Whereas you misconstrued his statement to be "the T-1000 copied everything it touched." Can you see the difference between the two, now?

 

[Travesty]

This thread makes me facepalm so hard, because the word plothole is a word most people just don't know the definition of.

A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_hole


Ex: The Joker's crazy plans throughout TDK.

 

[spider-neil]

A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_hole

that's my definition of plot hole as well. you set up rules, follow those rules and then break the rules you yourself set up.