the massive plothole thread

[LOBO3315a]

Yeah that scene always seemed a bit off to me as well. Your explanation makes the most sense.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Heres a big one:
In Pirates of the Carribean, the curse of the Aztec Gold turns those who stole from it into undead beings. Bootstrap Bill, Will Turner's dad dies after being thrown overboard by the crew, even though he had taken a piece of the gold. He was supposed to be immortal.

 

[Majik1387]

Heres a big one:
In Pirates of the Carribean, the curse of the Aztec Gold turns those who stole from it into undead beings. Bootstrap Bill, Will Turner's dad dies after being thrown overboard by the crew, even though he had taken a piece of the gold. He was supposed to be immortal.

It only affected those who still had the gold, and he didn't.

 

[TheShah]

http://www.fanpop.com/spots/the-dar...okers-pointlessly-elaborate-movie-murder-plot

That sums it up for the most part. Either The Joker is purely 100% psychic, or there are plotholes that defy any sort of logic....even for a Batman story.

And I don't even want to get into the whole Melvin White thing. The Joker psychically finds a guy who pushes in the bullet, that Batman finds the fingerprint(which doesn't even make sense from a forensic point of view), who happens to have an apartment that they set a trap/distraction for the cops/SWAT/snipers, that is over the area that, once again, The Joker psychically knew that the Mayor would have a funeral with a 21 gun salute in a downtown area. All so The Joker could have a good shot at the Mayor, surrounded by cops, who apparently are trained NOT to catch any criminals, but instead, cower and run away from the sound of a gun, all while the SWAT and snipers who were looking for a shooter, can't find The Joker anymore.

I can elaborate more form that summary that I linked, but they do a good job at the cliff notes.

lol.
That was good.

In regards to the article:
Joker is an Anarchist.
I don't think he 'planned' for everything to happen how it did end up happening, but maybe he planned for every eventuality.
That way it's no skin off his back regardless of what happens.

I don't see the Joker losing sleep over any of the 50 ways one of this initiating plans could've gone.
If the rocket did kill Dent, I'm sure he would've gone another way to create carnage in the city and get himself put into jail.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Star Wars- I don't know if this is so much a plot hole, or a rather big lack of judgment on the Rebels' part. Luke Skywalker should have never been given an opportunity to join the fleet headed for the Death Star. He had no military training, slim amount of flying experience, and just met the Alliance. I understand they were desperate, but no commanding officer in their right mind would allow him to join. Not only was his life being put into risk, but so was everyone else's, since they had to trust their lives into a young, bright eyed kid, who nobody's ever seen before.

 

[Pink Ranger]

They're rag-tag rebels, not the U.S. armed services. Besides, he killed all those womp-rats, right? For all we know, those things are as deadly as xenomorphs.

 

[TheShah]

star wars: a new hope

it is clearly established the death star has the power to destroy planets, yet still the death star takes an ETERNITY to clear the moon of the rebel base planet giving the rebels time to blow up the death star...


why didn't the death star BLOW UP THE MOON and then the rebel base planet?

I don't remember the proximity the moon had to the Death Star... but wuoldn't the debris from the moon hit the Star if they blew it up?

 

[LOBO3315a]

How about this plot hole?

In the Attack of the Clones, Padmé Amidala up to this point has been nothing but a diplomat/head of state. Yet when in the Genosian coliseum, she is able to scamper up the pillar she is chained to, without much of a struggle. In fact, she reaches the top of the pillar before Obi Wan and Anakan, a Jedi knight and his apprentice who are physically fit are able to even free themselves.

They never mention that physical fitness is part of a diplomat's training, yet she is able to outperform 2 men who are supposedly peacekeepers of the Republic.

So she suddenly gains peak physical conditioning, to fulfill the role of a warrior, when nothing up to this point in the storyline shows she should be able to perform the feats we see her perform in the rest of the fight in the coliseum. She is not trained in the Force, and even if she had some aptitude with it, wouldn't Obi Wan, Windu or Yoda have said something?

 

[TheShah]

No, it doesn't. If you have to ask stuff like "How did Harvey get out of the hospital" then you're not using what's called common sense. Obviously the Joker waited for Harvey to get his s*** together and leave before he left, too, and bombed the hospital.

As for the bullet scene, when inserting rounds, it is common to place the rear of the casing on top of the round at the top of the clip, push down with one thumb on that part, and use your other thumb to push the round backwards, seating it in the clip. When doing this, the thumb of the hand applying the backwards pressure to the round does indeed press firmly against the bullet.

The gunshots were to test different bullet types in hopes of finding what type of bullet was used by (a) matching the hole size made in the concrete and (b) matching the wave patterns between the two blocks of concrete through sonar.

Once the bullet type was determined, Fox's new type of sonar imaging was used in visualizing the bullet fragments and allowing them to be recombined to match the known bullet type. Why the image could be gathered at the new Batcave but only be pieced together at Wayne Enterprises is unclear. It is a plot point which allows the sonar device to resonate an image of a fingerprint since the oil found on someone's skin would not be picked up that easily (or clearly) by a soundwave.

Possible explanation:
Practical experiment happened in the warehouse like space + secrecy of the new cave.
The analytical aspect happened more in the lab-like environment of Wayne Enterprises.

 

[Travesty]

No, it doesn't. If you have to ask stuff like "How did Harvey get out of the hospital" then you're not using what's called common sense. Obviously the Joker waited for Harvey to get his s*** together and leave before he left, too, and bombed the hospital.

I never said Two-Face getting out of the hospital was a plothole, I said it bugged me. I was just responding to a post.

As for the bullet scene, when inserting rounds, it is common to place the rear of the casing on top of the round at the top of the clip, push down with one thumb on that part, and use your other thumb to push the round backwards, seating it in the clip. When doing this, the thumb of the hand applying the backwards pressure to the round does indeed press firmly against the bullet.

As far as this goes, it still makes no sense. The finger print clearly goes all the way to the end of the casing. That's impossible, unless Melvin White made his own bullets. The shell covers at least half of the casing, but in this instance, the print was over the entire thing. Also, I'm not necessarily saying the fingerprint casing was a loophole, either. But I am saying the whole Melvin White scenario is. I just went into more detail, because again, I was responding to a post that brought it up, so I talked about the ridiculousness of it in more detail.

The gunshots were to test different bullet types in hopes of finding what type of bullet was used by (a) matching the hole size made in the concrete and (b) matching the wave patterns between the two blocks of concrete through sonar.

Once the bullet type was determined, Fox's new type of sonar imaging was used in visualizing the bullet fragments and allowing them to be recombined to match the known bullet type. Why the image could be gathered at the new Batcave but only be pieced together at Wayne Enterprises is unclear. It is a plot point which allows the sonar device to resonate an image of a fingerprint since the oil found on someone's skin would not be picked up that easily (or clearly) by a soundwave.

Yes, I understand wthe "logic" around it, but it still doesn't make sense on any level. You can't get a fingerprint from a digital reconstruction. And again, I'm not saying the shattered bullet is a plothole, I was just showing the ridiculousness of it. I understand that you have to suspend your disbelief in a fictitious story, especially a superhero movie like Batman, but I still find it absurd(like Joker shooting down the Batwing in B89 ). Trust me, I'll post what I clearly think is a plothole or not. I'm just going over some other points that were being discussed.

Actually, that's not quite true, the scene cuts away from the Joker having the gun pointed to his head by Harvey, we don't get to see the coin laying unscarred side up, and you could say that more than that takes place we are not allowed to see, so you could say that more time has passed than you have surmised in your post. The Joker could have given Two-Face time to get up, grabs his clothes and leave the hospital, before leaving the room and starting the explosives, and for dramtic reasons Nolan did not show this scene.
In fact, that is what makes perfect sense, as Two-Face is an integral part of Joker's plan, and he would want to make sure he got out safely.
Now, if there was a digital clock in the background of both scenes telling you that he had left right after, that would be different.

For one thing, I don't think there was as much time as you're alluding to, after The Joker shot the officer in the hospital. The Joker gave Reese only 60 min to fess-up, or he blows up a hospital. He was in a warehouse, in his regular clothes when he started the clock. He then has to change outfits, go to the hospital, sneak in, kill the officer, and have a chat with Two-Face, and then give him enough time to sneak out unsuspected to all the news and cameras pointed in the hospitals direction. All before he blows it up, and in less the 60 min, mind you. Hell, I can't even get dressed, drive to Subaway, make my order, drive back, and sit down in less the 45 min, let alone a whole a nice chat with someone, along with a hostage takeover. Again, this isn't a plothole, I'm just saying it bugged me. Of course Two-Face just walked out of the hospital, cause I know he doesn't have the power of teleportation.

 

[spider-neil]

cause I know he doesn't have the power of teleportation.

they may have added that power to two-face

 

[david icke]

'teleportation', lol, yeah, yeah, yeah, Travesty, keep 'em comin' buddy, it may take you 45 mins to get your trousers on over your assway backwards for some reason, but my explanation was sound, it takes Two-Face *two*minutes to grab his gear and walk out a door of the hospital that the cameras were not pointing at. He walks out in his dressing gown with his bag of clothes, like many a nutter, because the joker tells him he's about to blow the place up.

 

[Travesty]

but my explanation was sound

Of course it is, because there is no other way around it. Two-Face slipped out the window....or backdoor. Like I've said, I'm not saying it's a plothole, I'm just saying it's ridiculous with the amount of time Joker had to do all those things, all while having Two-Face get away unnoticed.

I understand you watch and and think

I watch it, and think.

 

[Thundarr]

superman 1
superman flies round the world to make time go backwards (he is actually moving back in time himself not making the earth spin backs as some people suggest)

okay, so he has flown back in time, the missles never get launched, how do the krypton villians escape ready for superman 2?

1) Actually, he is making the Earth rotate backwards. Jor-El even says as much in the movie. Just because the science is fictional, doesn't make it a plothole.

2) It wasn't the missiles from Superman 1 that release General Zod and his lackies from The Phantom Zone. It was the nuclear bomb that the terrorists had attached to the Aifle Tower's elevator in the beginning of Superman 2 that set them free.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

How about this one...

Batman 1 to 4 - keaton to kilmer to klooney,

Harvey Dent starts off as lando carrison, by the third movie he becomes white

Also with all the money in the world he couldnt work out who killed his parents a few years ago...

Least the new batman series is sort of better thought out.

 

[Thundarr]

post the biggest plothole you've seen in a movie.

I'll start;

T2
the t-1-000 stabs sarah conner's shoulder and tells her to 'call to john' entending its finger to show her he will kill her is she doesn't comply, yet earlier in the movie the rules are clearly established that the t-1000 samples anything it has physical contact with and then it destroys the original.

the t-1000 was touching sarah and thus didn't need her to call john as it could have done it itself. it could (and should) have killed sarah and called john.

The bigger plothole was the T-1000 itself. In the first movie they clearly establish that only living matter can travel back in time. This is why time travelers arrive in the present naked. It's not just an excuse to expose us to Arnie's naked butt.

Paraphrased from Terminator

Doctor: So why didn't you bring better weapons with you to fight this thing? Phasers or something?

Reese: I already told you! It doesn't work like that. Only living matter can go through time.

Doctor: But you said that this "terminator" is a machine.

Reese: Surrounded by living flesh and blood!

The T-1000 had no living flesh and blood. It was made out of 100% mercury (or at least a mercury like metal). Therefore it never should have been able to travel back in time. If the time machine had been updated to allow nonliving matter to travel through time, then why did the terminators arrive in the present naked? And why didn't Arnie bring better weapons with him? And for that matter, why didn't the the T-1000?

 

[david icke]

Of course it is, because there is no other way around it. Two-Face slipped out the window....or backdoor. Like I've said, I'm not saying it's a plothole, I'm just saying it's ridiculous with the amount of time Joker had to do all those things, all while having Two-Face get away unnoticed.

I understand you watch and and think

I watch it, and think.

Have you ever been to a hospital? there are plenty of doors leading outside, emergency doors, back doors, there has to be in case there is a fire or something, he walks out of any of the number of doors, either gets dressed quickly or walks out in his dressing gown with his bag of clothes.
no slapping of the head required.

 

[Travesty]

The bigger plothole was the T-1000 itself. In the first movie they clearly establish that only living matter can travel back in time. This is why time travelers arrive in the present naked. It's not just an excuse to expose us to Arnie's naked butt.

Never even thought of that. Good call.

 

[Travesty]

Have you ever been to a hospital? there are plenty of doors leading outside, emergency doors, back doors, there has to be in case there is a fire or something, he walks out of any of the number of doors, either gets dressed quickly or walks out in his dressing gown with his bag of clothes.
no slapping of the head required.

Dude, it's cool, we're done with it. I just don't like it.

And I'm talking about the 60 min Joker gives, and what all he accomplished, which Two-Face was apart of. You can try and explain how Nicholas Cage could realistically jump a Mustang over a set of cars in Gone in 60 seconds, and still be able to drive away. Sure, maybe it could happen, but I'm still going to roll my eyes from the ridiculousness of it all.

 

[LOBO3315a]

I think Thundaar wins the thread!

 

[SuperFerret]

The bigger plothole was the T-1000 itself. In the first movie they clearly establish that only living matter can travel back in time. This is why time travelers arrive in the present naked. It's not just an excuse to expose us to Arnie's naked butt.

Even then, techically the beginning of Terminator would have been a bunch of electricity and then Arnold Schwartzenegger's skin and muscles appearing and collapsing in a heap on the ground. Roll credits.

 

[Thundarr]

How about this plot hole?

In the Attack of the Clones, Padmé Amidala up to this point has been nothing but a diplomat/head of state. Yet when in the Genosian coliseum, she is able to scamper up the pillar she is chained to, without much of a struggle. In fact, she reaches the top of the pillar before Obi Wan and Anakan, a Jedi knight and his apprentice who are physically fit are able to even free themselves.

They never mention that physical fitness is part of a diplomat's training, yet she is able to outperform 2 men who are supposedly peacekeepers of the Republic.

So she suddenly gains peak physical conditioning, to fulfill the role of a warrior, when nothing up to this point in the storyline shows she should be able to perform the feats we see her perform in the rest of the fight in the coliseum. She is not trained in the Force, and even if she had some aptitude with it, wouldn't Obi Wan, Windu or Yoda have said something?

Actually it was quite clearly established in The Franchise Menace that she is quite a capable warrior when she lead the attack to retake the palace on Naboo.

 

[Travesty]

Even then, techically the beginning of Terminator would have been a bunch of electricity and then Arnold Schwartzenegger's skin and muscles appearing and collapsing in a heap on the ground. Roll credits.

Nooooooo. You've done it again SuperFerret. WHYYYYYYYY!?!?!?!?

 

[SuperFerret]

Why? Because if only living matter can be transported, only living matter can be transported, no matter what you wrap inside it.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Harvey Dent starts off as lando carrison, by the third movie he becomes white

The acid did it.