the massive plothole thread

[LOBO3315a]

They should have brought it up in the movie, but the Eagles only helped, when there was a way for them to directly be involved in fighting their enemies. They were proud animals, and refused to be used as beasts of burden by anyone less than a Wizard.

Gandalf couldn't take the Ring, and the Eagles refused to carry Hobbits. Hence, Frodo and the gang were forced to hoof it.

Incidentally did you see some of the manuvers those Eagles had to pull off to fight those Fell Beasts? I'm pretty sure anyone on their backs would have fallen to the ground. And adding a harness would have impeded their ability to fight and fly.

 

[TheShah]

Also, isn't there a link in this thread to an article that explains this point in LOTR.

There was various factors that shoot down the 'why didn't they use Eagles' theory.

 

[The Joker]

1. ock is a psycho, if peter had been killed, he'd have been like, 'meh', gone back to harry and forced him to give him the tridium

Bull dust. Ock was crazy, but he wasn't stupid.

2. harry didn't tell him, spidey found it on his own by going to the place the fusion reactor would cause maximum damage and not be seen by casual passers back, the docks. okay it's a bit of a stretch...

Do you want some beans with that waffle?

Peter asked Harry where Ock was, and it then cuts to Doc Ock's lair, where Spidey shows up like a minute later. We're led to believe that Harry told him, when there's no way Harry could have known.

They're plot holes.

 

[bullets]

It's not a plot hole anymore if you like the movie.

 

[spider-neil]

Bull dust. Ock was crazy, but he wasn't stupid.

when ock first meets harry, ock has harry dangling off a building. harry was completely in ock's power but somehow makes a deal. if peter had been killed by the car ock ABSOLUTELY would have beaten the tridium out of him (harry).

 

[LOBO3315a]

I never said she was a super-warrior, only a capable one. She was also the only one of the three who was 100% focused on not becoming lunch. Anikin and Obi-Wan were cracking wise as much as fighting for their lives.

Besides, we're talking the Star Wars prequels here. I could eat a box of Alphebits cereal and crap a better script than what George Lucas came up with.

No I said she was a super-warrior. She would have to be, in my mind, to be able to out perform a Jedi Kinght and an Apprentice. Regardless, maybe we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm still thinking a wise-cracking Jedi and his Apprentice would be running circles around even a 100% focused, capable warrior.

I mean look how well Jango did against Mace Windu....

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I had SUCH a good plot hole in my head when I went to sleep. D:

 

[Spidey220987]

Wolverine: The Entire Movie

Superman Returns (even though I liked the film), almost every single adaptation of Superman has him getting weaker just in the mere presence of regular ol' green kryptonite, but he is able to lift "New Krypton" into space with some kryptonite buried inside him?

 

[night0205]

The Last Airbender movie... I don't know how to get specific with a specific plot hole, but I mean that whole movie is like one giant aluminum soda can shot with a shotgun with like hundreds of little giant bee-bees, where everything logical about the show is poured out like some liquid... Like one frickin' blackhole that sucks up all that is good in the world... Samwise Gamgee wouldn't be pleased...

 

[jmc]

You're missing the point, physically it would have been easier, but the risk would have been too great, due to lack of the stealth.
The Ring would be detected easily and the eagle spotted. If they travel by ground they can hide easily.
So, in that way it is the more difficult approach, because flying through the air gives you next to no cover.
I am sorry for introducing a logical explanation into something that you have been bringing up at the pub for years, but I think that covers it.

About the Lord of the Rings, there is so many question you can ask. Whats the big deal, its just a bloody ring? Whats the deal with Sauron? He's an eye, what can he do blind me? You have to buy that Sauron is so much powerful even if he's just an eye, and you have to buy that this ring is powerful and will eventually take over you. You cant just fly over and drop it.

You guys are taking it way to seriously, lighten up for crying out loud and look at the funny side of it and see how incredibly easy it would have been to actually have destroyed the thing.

 

[Spidey220987]

There's a simple explanation for both of these. Otto is a SCIENTIST! and thus is far more awesome than a scientist, so he needs to make an entrance whereever he goes, and to let everyone know of his betentacled awesomosity, he leaves business cards everywhere, so Harry no doubt had at least 12 from the amount of times he and Otto interacted on screen.

 

[night0205]

Dude, you're taking it way to seriously.

lol I love the youtube video... "how lord of the rings should have ended"... lol. Maybe that's what you guys are talking about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU

 

[jmc]

I just find it funny how quickly the story could have been over. Could have cut a good 7-8 hours out of the story. You've got giants eagles, let them fly it over and drop it in, crisis over, job done, who's for coffee?

 

[david icke]

I just find it funny how quickly the story could have been over. Could have cut a good 7-8 hours out of the story. You've got giants eagles, let them fly it over and drop it in, crisis over, job done, who's for coffee?

Dude, I was being lighthearted about it, that's why I made a jokey ref to you constantly telling that 'Lotr/eagles' bit in the pub all the time, and i think I was right on the money with that, lol, as you have been trundling out the same thing for about 5 posts now as if it's so funny, i would maybe find a new joke.

 

[The Joker]

when ock first meets harry, ock has harry dangling off a building. harry was completely in ock's power but somehow makes a deal. if peter had been killed by the car ock ABSOLUTELY would have beaten the tridium out of him (harry).

Which begs the question why didn't Ock just do that instead of going through all the trouble of finding and capturing Spider-Man, when he could have got the tritium there and then?

 

[AgentRed]

Star Trek 09
a real plothole

 

[Armored Avenger]

In regards to LOTR, Sauron is not just an eye. In the books he is established as being within his tower of Barad-Dur. Gollum describes being brought before him when he was captured and tortured and says that Sauron has four fingers on one of his hands from where the Ring was cut off. The eye of Sauron is a different entity, a tool of Sauron. In the Extended Edition of The Return of the King there is a scene in which Aragorn looks into one of the Palantiri and briefly sees Sauron, as he appeared in the Prologue of the first film, holding his own Palantir. Also at the battle at the Black Gates Aragorn tells Sauron to "come forth".
Onto the topic of the Eagles, they are among the noblest of the races of Middle-Earth and are almost angelic. In The Silmarillion, Tolkien's story of the creation and early history of Middle-Earth, they are always associated with the Valar, who are essentially the Gods of Middle-Earth. They cannot just be summoned for people to ride on. The defeat of Sauron was a task for the peoples of Middle-Earth to overcome, with the 5 Wizards being the only aid the Valar would allow to be sent (This was because in the earlier history of the world the Valar had interfered directly with events in Middle-Earth, with disastrous consequences).

 

[Thundarr]

No I said she was a super-warrior. She would have to be, in my mind, to be able to out perform a Jedi Kinght and an Apprentice. Regardless, maybe we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm still thinking a wise-cracking Jedi and his Apprentice would be running circles around even a 100% focused, capable warrior.

I mean look how well Jango did against Mace Windu....

But Mace Windu didn't waste time making wisecracks. He also didn't waste time doing all these fancy maneuvers with his lightsabre, twirling it around in pointless Hollywood fashion (real swordsmen don't twirl their swords around in a fight, those moves are training exercises meant for improving wrist strength and hand-eye coordination). Mace just went for the quickest and most efficient kill then moved on.

But I digress. As you said, let's agree to disagree on that point.

 

[Thundarr]

And why do they still have hair and fingernails?

Seriously, the T-1000 might just be able to mimic living tissue.




They could just cover the weapons in living flesh, to expand this point.

BUT, I've always seen the time travel as a last minute action by SkyNet with the time machine on auto-destruct, so the resistance had to hurry up and no possibilities to plan this better.

The time travel in T1 is no plot hole at all, BTW, just if you combine it with T2.

I never said that it was a plothole in T1, only in T2. It's like in the Back To The Future movies, if the dilorian needed to reach 88 miles an hour to travel through time in the first movie, then in the second movie it gets changed to 66 miles an hour for no apparent reason. These things should be explained to the audience, IMHO.

 

[Thundarr]

Kyle Reese should have just shoved an explosive up his ass.

They actually did something very similar in one of the Terminator comics. A resistance fighter went back in time with an energy pistol surgically implanted into his gut.

 

[spider-neil]

Superman Returns (even though I liked the film), almost every single adaptation of Superman has him getting weaker just in the mere presence of regular ol' green kryptonite, but he is able to lift "New Krypton" into space with some kryptonite buried inside him?

that was BEYOND idiotic. what, because superman soaks up some sun he can lift a CONTINENT made of kryptonite?! there were shards of kryptonite growing beside his HEAD for pete's sake.

 

[spider-neil]

Which begs the question why didn't Ock just do that instead of going through all the trouble of finding and capturing Spider-Man, when he could have got the tritium there and then?

I think harry making a deal with ock is the plothole, ock throwing a car at the person he wants to capture isn't, that seems pretty much in character to me.

 

[spider-neil]

I never said that it was a plothole in T1, only in T2. It's like in the Back To The Future movies, if the dilorian needed to reach 88 miles an hour to travel through time in the first movie, then in the second movie it gets changed to 66 miles an hour for no apparent reason. These things should be explained to the audience, IMHO.

talking about 88 miles an hour, did marty simply 'forget' (at the start of the movie) when the car moves at 88 miles an hour you time travel? to be fair he was been chased by terrorists with rocket launchers.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

talking about 88 miles an hour, did marty simply 'forget' (at the start of the movie) when the car moves at 88 miles an hour you time travel? to be fair he was been chased by terrorists with rocket launchers.

The car only travels through time when it hits 88mph, only when the time circuits are turned on. When Marty jumped in the DeLorean to escape the terrorist, the time circuits were off, but he accidentally switched them on, while he was shifting gears.

 

[spider-neil]

The car only travels through time when it hits 88mph, only when the time circuits are turned on. When Marty jumped in the DeLorean to escape the terrorist, the time circuits were off, but he accidentally switched them on, while he was shifting gears.

AH!