Yeah that's true. I thought he arrived afterward.
You're thinking a lot of things that are not true, as I'll proceed to show
But, it isn't a plot hole, it is a convenience.
Like this. A convenience is a coincidence. There's nothing convenient about Harry knowing where to find Ock. Knowing where the villain's lair is located is a big plot point.
Spider-Man finds the bad guy...that isn't a plot hole.
Yes, it is. Peter asked Harry where Ock was, and in the next scene Spidey shows up in the nick of time to save the day. That shouldn't have happened because Harry didn't know where Ock really was. He couldn't have.
Peter might as well have asked some random stranger on the street where to find Ock. They'd have as much of a clue as Harry did.
Peter and Aunt May being at the same bank as Ock is when robbing it is convenience. Joker going to the jail that he has a guy with explosives in his stomach at is a convenience. Two Face going to the hospital that Joker rigged with explosives when every major city has multiple large hospitals is convenience. Nobody noticing the bus driving out of a bank and the dust trail coming off of it or reporting it is convenience. Whiplash walking onto the race track to kill Tony Stark in a race car that he only moments before decided to drive is convenience. They aren't plot holes.
That's right, they're not plot holes because they don't contradict something in the movie.
Harry telling Peter where to find Ock does, because Harry never went to Ock's lair, so how could he know where it is? That's not convenience, that's a plot hole.
Harry may have told Peter where Ock was because all of these huge shipments were being dropped off at an abandoned building.
And how in the name of god would Harry know about them? Talk about clutching at straws.
Peter's spider sense may have even gone off when he swung by.
Have you seen him locate anyone by his spider sense in the movies? No. It only reacts to imminent threats to him. Since Ock had not started the reactor yet, there's no reason for it to have been triggered.
Who knows or better yet...who cares because it isn't a plot hole.
Yes, it is.
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It's a plot hole. Plain and simple. There's no logical reason for it.
To which Ock then replied after learning that Harry didn't kill him; "I should have known Osborn wouldn't have the spine to finish you." He regretted not killing Spider-Man himself because guess who just arrived to ruin Ock's party?
What has that got to do with what you said? You were arguing that Harry said he'd get the tritium, but he said he'd GIVE Ock the tritium, implying he already had it.
Ock certainly saw Spider-Man as an obstacle. Spider-Man tried to stop his first experiment before the disaster that occurred and he tried to stop him at the bank from achieving his goals of getting money to do the experiment over. Just because he heard reports of Spider-Man quitting doesn't mean that Ock is clear from any future threat.
If Ock saw Spider-Man as a threat to his plans, he would have done what the Goblin did, and sought him out himself and destroyed him.
Spider-Man didn't even register on Ock's radar until Harry made him as part of their deal.
Plus with my quote above, Ock is pretty angry that Spider-Man is back to try to stop him again.
Well of course he's angry that Spider-Man's interfering with him again. But that doesn't equate to him seeing him as a threat.
If Ock didn't see Spider-Man as a threat, he wouldn't have dealt with trying to capture him for Harry in the first place. Spider-Man beat Ock twice before...anybody would see that as a threat.
Therein lies the plot hole. Ock could have easily threatened Harry into just giving him the tritium. Harry clearly feared death when Ock dangled him over the balcony. But no, Ock decides to play delivery boy for Harry. It was simply a plot device to make Ock and Spidey clash again. Ock certainly had no intention of going looking for Spider-Man of his own accord because he never saw him as a threat.
If Ock truly saw Spider-Man as the threat you claim he did, he'd have killed him himself instead of relying on a drunken teenager to do it.
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You keep quoting Bugle stats. Wouldn't the Bugle have headlined: "Doc Ock Kills Bugle Photographer Peter Parker." Wouldn't that root out Spider-Man too?
No it wouldn't. Why should it? The Bugle is saying crime is up 61%. That almost certainly includes murders, robberies, and other catastrophes. None of this is drawing Spider-Man out, is it?
Why should the murder of Peter Parker draw Spider-Man out?
If Doc Ock cared about Peter living, he wouldn't have tossed a car at him and then bashed him into a brick wall. But then again I don't think he tossed the car at him on purpose and I don't think he cared if he left Peter alive or dead. Doc Ock doesn't care about human life, he exhibited that numerous times.
You keep re-affirming the plot holes in this movie. Ock was SUPPOSED to want Peter alive. There is nothing, repeat nothing to support what you're saying. But I can quote you lines where Ock needs Peter alive to deliver his message to fetch Spider-Man, and then he takes MJ to make sure Peter plays ball.
So why on earth would he toss a car at him, and then slam him into a brick wall? None of it makes sense at all. It's got nothing to do with Ock's disregard for human life. He's crazy, but he's not supposed to be stupid.
His handling of finding Peter Parker to fetch Spider-Man for him was handled with all the intelligence of the Rhino.
Big gaping hole in a coffee shop with Peter and MJ standing in the big hole...they would be so hard to notice.
Yes, they would, unless Ock has binocular vision. Not to mention Ock wasn't even outside when they looked out onto the street. So how could he have seen them? Then two second later he's right outside the cafe window striding towards it.
The whole thing has more holes in it than a lump of Swiss cheese.
Even if Ock purposely threw the car and knew that Peter was in the coffee shop, it still proves my point that Ock doesn't care if he kills Peter.
That's right, and it also proves that Ock's tactics make no sense.
Plot hole.
Killing my best friend and beating him senseless to tell me that he did it is still going to have the same affect on me. I am still going to come after who did it.
Who the hell ever said Peter and Spider-Man were best friends?
"Peter Parker, and the girlfriend!" He was surprised to see Mary Jane so how would he know that Peter was in there but not Mary Jane?
Because he went looking for Peter, and was surprised to see MJ with him.
Simple. Not to mention was he said was totally incorrect, as Peter and MJ were not an item. She was publicly engaged to John Jameson.
I am not trying to sell you anything. I could care less if you think SM2 is filled with plot holes when you think that The Dark Knight has none.
Holy putting words into my mouth, Batman. Where did I say TDK has none, and SM-2 is filled with them?
I have listed the only two plot holes I find with the movie. You'll have others argue Ock being able to take the punches and other physical punishment dished out on him as plot holes, but not me.
All movies, especially superhero movies, have convenience. I don't care to see Jack Bauer sit down and eat dinner, take a shower, or take a dump. Just because we don't see him doing those things doesn't mean that they are plot holes and 24 is a terrible show because it has so many haxorz plot holes. Is Jack Bauer a robot TOMG!??!?!?!?!?
I find it hilarious that you equate Jack Bauer taking a dump to Harry magically knowing where Ock's lair is, and Ock nearly killing the only contact he has to find Spider-Man.
Doc Ock went to Harry to get tritium. Harry didn't have it. Harry said get me Spider-Man and I will get you tritium.
Chaseter old chum, go grab your copy of Spider-Man 2, pop it into your DVD player, skip to the Ock/Harry deal scene, and listen to Harry say, and I quote: "Kill Spider-Man, and I'll
give you all the tritium you need".
Not get, GIVE. There was no implication that he didn't have it there and then.
Actually I'll be a nice guy and deliver the goods to you again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bGcGSbw4xM&feature=related
Go to around 1:35
Now follow me, it may get complicated. Ock says to himself...hmmm...I can get tritium and get rid of Spider-Man at the same time. Kill two birds with one stone.
Repeating ad nauseum, Ock never saw Spider-Man as a threat or an obstacle in his path. If he did, he'd have gone out and sorted out Spider-Man himself before even proceeding further with his plan to rebuild his reactor.
But no, he went full steam ahead, ordered the parts, built the darn thing, and then said "Just one more little chore".
What was that little chore? Kill the so called threat and obstacle Spider-Man? Nooooooooo. Go and get the tritium from Harry. Then voila......plan completed.
Spider-Man never entered into the equation until Harry brought him up.
Now, either Doc Ock followed Peter all day to watch him go into the cafe, knew that Peter liked to drink coffee at that cafe, or started to create mayhem to cause Peter Parker, a Bugle photographer, to come out into the open. If you go with c, he would need to do something sinister instead of posing for pictures with kiddies. If you go with a or b...then it shouldn't be an issue because it happened OFF SCREEN. So back to c. He throws a car, people scream, he sees Peter and Mary Jane in the hole...what luck! Or, what convenience like EVERYTHING I POSTED ABOVE.
You keep reaffirming again and again why it's a plot hole. Doc Ock, if he was a smart Doc Ock, would have gone to Peter's apartment, to the Bugle where he works like Gobby did, or gone to Aunt May's house out in Forrest Hills looking for him. But he did none of these things.
But somehow he magically knew that Peter would be at the cafe. And to add insult to injury, he threw a car at him when he needed him alive.
Plot holes, plot holes, plot holes.
You are making a gigantic mountain out of a mole hill that is so minuscule it is hilarious that you are getting a raging, for lack of better terms, ***** diving so deep into trying to find things wrong with a movie that I am going to guess you don't care for.
Since I've backed up everything I've been saying with facts, while you've been using unfounded far flung theories, I'd say you're the one making something out of nothing.
But once again, I can find conveniences and plot holes in every movie. I could list 5 'plot holes' for Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, which I know you love, right now.
No doubt you can. But unlike you, I can acknowledge the obvious ones.
Harry said go get Spider-Man and I will get you your tritium.
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