The MMA Thread

Very surprised how Filho's fight with Doerksen went (just saw it last night: needed to wait for tape delay on TSN). I didn't expect that Doerksen would be able to defend the takedown as well as he did, or that he would be able to reverse Filho from the bottom and stand up. And Filho knocking him out on the feet, now I really didn't see that coming. Good showing by Filho, though, out of all the top fighters Doerksen's fought few have been able to get through him so quickly or convincingly. Interestingly, Joe Riggs is one of them: that guy really ought to have stuck around at 185, I think he's better there.

I just hope Filho makes the transition to UFC instead of staying in the WEC. I mean, who else is he going to fight there?
 
I figured he could defend the takedown since he is a good BJJ fighter, but definitely not as good as he did against a guy as skilled as Filho.

Still, I figured Filho would win via a submission. I mean, he's got some heavy hands, but I didn't think he'd KO Doerkson like that.

As for the UFC, don't expect him there anytime soon. When Zuffa offered him a contract it was strictly for WEC. Dana's said before that they want to make WEC more then a "feeder" promotion for the UFC and into the second best in the world, behind the UFC.
With Filho and Faber as the current star of the WEC, and other good talent could/should soon follow. I know there's been rumors that Sokoudjou and Lindland could be brought into the WEC fold. Course, those are just rumors, so...
 
I've heard that kind of talk about the WEC before, but I just don't see the point of buying out PRIDE, getting top talent like Filho, all obstensibly for the purpose of having all the top talent under the same roof, then seperating them by shoving guys like Filho into WEC. Unless of course they intend to eventually have title-unifications... of course that just makes the whole project of making a bigger better WEC seem pointless.
 
I do like the idea of the WEC being built up as it's own organization with a good selection of talent. Way things are now with the UFC being the biggest game in town, alot of fighters won't get the kudos they deserve to get. Especially in the LHW division. With the WEC they'll get a chance to shine without having to wait behind half a dozen fighters just to start getting recognition.
Least that's how I try to rationalize it. :o

Course, it still doesn't explain why Filho, who's one of the best 185 pounders in the world of MMA, is not in the UFC's slim middleweight division. :huh:

Personally, I'd rather see them bring back PRIDE if they wanted to make another "rival" organization. At least PRIDE has better name recognition than the WEC.
 
Good about Wanderlei. Now, for some reason I've heard the UFC hasn't offered any contract to Ricardo Arona, and I have to think that's a mistake. Do they necessarily "need" him? No, they do already have three fighters on contract that have beaten him (albeit one of whom won in questionable fashion). But this is a top fighter we're talking about and I'd think he's well entitled to a shot in the UFC.
 
Personally, I'd like to see the Brazillian Tiger get signed to the WEC. He is a skilled fighter and I think his game would help start a good 205 division in the WEC. Either way I'd love to see Arona fighting in the states.

Hell, another fighter I want to see come back to fighting in the states is Josh Barnett. He's probably the best Heavyweight still out there, after Fedor. His sick ground game (the match he had with Nog was freakin' amazing) would be a nice addition to the UFC, or even the WEC if they wanted to start working on their HW division.



Also...

UFC Officially Announces the Axe Murderer's Return
 
I have to say, I was incredibly impressed with Couture's utter domination of Gonzaga last night. Randy just took the battle to him from the opening bell and pushed the action until Herb Dean called it in the third round.

In the other main fight of the evening, GSP showed that he's back in a big way by totally dominating Koscheck in every facet of the game, including the ground where Koschek is so good at. The only round that was close was the first, the final two were all St. Pierre. I'm not a big fan of GSP, but when he's on his game he's damn near impossible to bear.
I am looking forward to seeing him take on the winner of the Hughes/Serra fight.

One fight I wish they showed but didn't was the David Heath versus Ranato "Babalu" Sobral match. Babalu was pissed at Heath for cussing at him during the weigh-ins, and was out to hurt Heath as much as he could. Sobral got the mount in the second and started raining down elbows and punches and opened up a deep gash in Heath's forehead that started pouring out blood (which was the cause of the big red stain seen on the canvas for the entire PPV card).
He then finished it by applying a front choke, and Heath has no choice but to tap. But Babalu won't let the choke go, and not even the ref can seperate it. Sobral doesn't let go until Heath is out cold, and when he told the fans why he did that (the cussing) they booed him big time.
Babalu threw a souvenir hat into the stands it was picked up by TUF 5 runner up Manny Ganburyan who said some choice words and hurled it back into the octagon.
 
Sounds like I missed a good card last night. We were busy with other things, so we didn't order it. I expected Gonzaga to at least put up a little bit of a fight. Gotta love Couture, though. The guy is like the Batman of MMA. Give him enough prep time and he can beat anyone.

jag
 
I was expecting Gonzaga to definitely put up a good fight, but it didn't happen. During a take down by Randy they butted heads and Gonzaga broke his nose. It was pretty much done after that, just took a bit for Couture to finish him.

Now comes the big question...what's next for The Natural? I have a feeling he'll probably face the winner of the upcoming Brandon Vera/Tim Sylvia fight (which Vera should win). Personally I'd like to see the winner of the Vera/Sylvia bout take on Big Nog and then whoever wins that one gets a shot at Couture.

Or, if Cro Cop beats Kongo convincingly he might get a shot. If that's the case I'd love to see a Cro Cop/Nogueira rematch to see who gets a shot at the belt.

Of course there's always the Fedor scenario which would be awesome to see. Two of the most intelligent fighters squaring off in a unification match? Fedor being able to use elbows and going up against one of his idols in Couture? Randy looking to prove he's the greatest by knocking off who many consider the best pound for pound fighter in MMA history?

It would be a dream matchup, that's for damn sure. But with Fedor looking like he'll be signing with HERO'S it may not happen. :csad:
 
I can't say enough good about Randy Couture, so I'll just say, http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/captain+america/video/xjalz_captainamerica

Anyway, while I was impressed with what St. Pierre was able to accomplish, what truly boggles my mind is how Koscheck approached that fight. First of all, let's put aside all impressions that GSP is primarily a striker: the vast majority of his wins have come by playing the ground and pound game, the wrestler's game. His striking is good, but that's not his game. These two fighters have the same gameplan in fights... Not to play armchair quarterback but the dynamic of this fight, to me, seemed pretty obvious, the guy who scored takedowns, and put his opponent in the positions he didn't want to be in was going to win. St. Pierre knew that coming in, but for some reason Koscheck didn't. Rewatching the fight, one thing becomes obvious: when these guys were on the feet, Koscheck was making little or no attempt to take the fight to the ground. He never shot in for a double leg takedown, not once. His only takedown attempts were the (successful) single he used to stand up out of half guard and the (unsuccessful) single he finally dropped down for in the last two minutes of the fight.

So what did he do? He stood with St. Pierre, tried to play the Diego Sanchez strategy. He honestly seemed to think that he was going to knock out Georges St. Pierre by throwing those very wild and scripted combinations which invariably ended with a big right hand. Now if you've got two good wrestlers, but one of them's not even thinking about the takedown, that guy's just inviting an opportunity to be put on his back. This is to take nothing away from St. Pierre, as I said the guy's wrestling was incredible and he did a great job, he took the first possible opportunity to take down Koscheck shooting off of the inside leg kick, then again shot in when Koscheck was close to the fence, pushing him back into it and neutralizing Koscheck's ability to sprawl back. And needless to say, the way he defended the takedown attempt in the last round was excellent.

Thing is, I just find it disappointing, seeing how well Koscheck did when he was on top, that he wouldn't just try to get off first with takedown attempts, or really go after them at all. He was 1-1 with takedown attempts, and St. Pierre was 2-0. Because St. Pierre went after those takedowns immediately, scored them early in the rounds, he won the fight. If only Kos had done the same, he could have made it a much more competitive fight.

On another note, I'm completely thrilled that Clay Guida was able to notch himself another win last night. The matchmakers have been cruel to him, but he took it to Aurelio and got himself his biggest win to date. Out of the guys that I was picking to win, Randy and he were the one's that really shined. I also called Thales Leites and Frank Mir's wins, but managed to botch every other fight. I mean, I knew I was out on a limb calling Crane over Huerta, but I thought it might happen for me... sadly, to quote a Sherdog commentator, it was like bringing a knife to a gunfight when Crane took sport BJJ to a fight. And it's too bad, too, because if he had shown any ability go for strikes in the dominant position, or to take a punch himself, he had the skill to really do something. When will I learn?
 
Yes! The Old Man did it! I was going for him and he did the incredible! I'm glad GSP won too. I can't wait to see Randy's next title defense. He sure is amazing.
 
A few interesting things...

Online Chat With Dan Henderson

Some interesting comments from Hollywood. From reading this he certainly has confidence (says he'd take Fedor, but of course he'd say that). I know I picked him to beat Rampage back when the fight was originally announced, and I'm not changing that now. Dan's going to take it by TKO in the 3rd. :up:

Josh Barnett Calls Out Couture

Josh talks a good game here, but he's definitely a fighter who can back it up. He's probably one of the best submission fighters in MMA, and I'd love to see him have a rematch with Couture (for those who don't know, Barnett beat him years back). Barnett's ground game is sick, and I think he'd be an awesome opponent for The Natural, let alone a great addition to the already impressive UFC HW division.

Cro Cop to Get Couture if Victorious Against Kongo?

Personally, I'd rather see the Minotauro/Cro Cop rematch with the winner getting a title shot. But that's just me. Still, I'd love to see Randy beat Mirko's ass. :up:
 
Ryo Chonan Headed to UFC

Definitely be nice to see the UFC start stocking up the MW division as they are the LHW and HW. They need to get some people in there to challenge Anderson Silva. :up:
 
So, I watched Pro Elite's card last night on Showtime. The main event was Charles "Crazyhorse" Bennett vs. Victor Valenzuela. Let me just state for the record that I cannot stand Bennett. I think he's a jackass and an embarrassment to everyone who's worked so hard to make MMA a legitimate sport. That's why I was truly pleased to watch Valenzuela pummel the holy f**k out of Bennett so badly that he tapped out three minutes and some change into the first round. Other than that, I have to say that Pro Elite's got some big problems with their fighter pool. They're putting guys in televised matches that are green as all hell, out of shape, and are basically amateurs. There were two other fights on the televised undercard that looked like the guys in the ring should have been there.

One was the very first fight of Umar Love vs. Briendan Tierney. Love is a fighter to watch. Definitely the real deal and I was also very impressed with how humble and respectful of absolutely everyone he was. He was also very well spoken. I enjoyed watching him fight quite a bit. Very resourceful fighter for sure. When they kept talking about how Tiernan was a male model and not much else, though, I sort of knew he was going to get thumped. LOL! Sure enough, Love got him in a rear naked choke in the first round and ended it.

The other fight on the undercard I enjoyed was the one just before the main event, Seth Kleinbeck def. Jaime Jara. Let me just say now that Jara is another jackass that shouldn't be in the sport. At least he's actually a trained fighter and wrestler, unlike Crazyhorse, but he's obviously in it to hurt people if he can and is really a chicken-sh1t fighter from what I observed. He spent the entire first round avoiding Kleinbeck, refusing to really engage him. It was very boring to watch. He did the same thing the second round, but Kleinbeck got a little more aggressive and it paid off because he knocked Jara out with a nice two-punch combo 2 seconds before the bell sounded to end the round. Considering all the smack he'd talked about Kleinbeck going into it, it was a nice thing to see.

The rest of the undercard was trash. Inexperienced fighters and brawlers who blew up after the first round and couldn't keep the action going. There was a heavyweight bout that ended with a complete knockout that lasted a good 45 seconds, but other than that it wasn't horribly remarkable and the fighters were pretty well forgettable.

Pro Elite and Showtime really need to get some higher caliber fighters in their stable. This was like watching a local MMA competition rather than a national level promotion. Like I said; embarrassing.

jag
 
I saw the first match between Love and Tierney, but switched over to watch WEC after it was over. Love definitely has a good mindset, and after another year or two of honing his craft could very well be in the WEC or even get a shot at the UFC.

All in all, the whole set up of the program didn't really pull me in, and, as you said, most of the fighters they were previewing just...didn't have that look, or what not. :o :(
 
I think cutting Babalu was a little extreme, all things considered. Certainly what he did was inappropriate and a punishment was in order, but a fine and suspension would have been sufficient.
 
I'm sorry to see that they cut him. Course I'm bias as I do like Sobral, though he has been fighting like **** of late (before the Heath beat down).
Personally I would've went with a year suspension if I were White.
But, of course, that's me. Dana obviously wanted to make an example out of Babalu to any other fighter that might ever entertain thoughts of going too far in a match.
 
It's a Catch22, Dana was probably forced to cut him and make an example.

There is still a stigma attached to MMA by many, no matter how incorrect it is, and he has to show big consequences to keep the "Pillow Fighting" people off MMA. The flip side is he cut a popular fighter and the people that truly follow MMA think he overreacted and the punishment is too extreme.

People that love MMA, will always love MMA. So Dana's looking for new fans, and I think this decision was made to show that the UFC has control of it's fighters and the "Rogue" fighters will not last. To make it more appealing to the non-MMA fans.
 
Yeah, there's no doubt about it that image was the main reason behind the move. MMA is finally getting recognition as the sport it is, and the Babalu incedent could start bringing back the organized bar fight/human cock fighting stigma that it used to have. It would definitely have been a step back.

And on the subject...

Sobral Issues Statement



Also, the dream of having Fedor in the UFC looks dimmer and dimmer...

Emelianenko Meeting "Didn't Go So Well"
 

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