The music of the panther

[Donald Thomas]

Why would this need a urban soundtrack? Black Panther should have a very African influenced soundtrack, inspired from the sounds from the nativeland. Luke Cage is someone who needs an urban soundtrack, not T'Challa.

Aloha,
I agree completely.Of the many things that the MCU has gotten right, an area where they can still improve is the soundtracks to their movies. The sad part about the so called Black exploitation movies was that the movies were poorly made but the sound tracks were fantastic. Black Panther needs a sound track that lives on it's own before and after the movie.To this day, people still remember the original Spider-Man theme song. That's the kind of music the MCU/Black Panther needs.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda

 

[Chesterfield]

This was just released...

http://www.indiewire.com/2016/06/cr...wig-goransson-fruitvale-station-2-1201684963/

Gives a great deal of reassurance that the music/score for this film is going to be something truly special.

 

[Nokio]

Well I think they should build off the music in CW when ever he should up or in the end clip in Wakanda,

 

[Nokio]

for sure this needs to have a hot "urban" soundtrack and an intense score; two separate CDs will do, even if released on Itunes.

That would be stereotypical for them to have some Hiphop soundtrack with a bunch of today's popular artist. Hiphop is an American art form and while it has spread across the globe and have influenced so much it should not be the backdrop for Wakanda. Wakanda is an African culture and it should have its culture and music and not mimic Hiphop because the people their and I the US have the same skin tone.

 

[Donald Thomas]

That would be stereotypical for them to have some Hiphop soundtrack with a bunch of today's popular artist. Hiphop is an American art form and while it has spread across the globe and have influenced so much it should not be the backdrop for Wakanda. Wakanda is an African culture and it should have its culture and music and not mimic Hiphop because the people their and I the US have the same skin tone.

Aloha,
I would agree up to a point.Black Panther will resonate with both African as well as American audiences. He's an African super hero who was created by Americans.The intro music for his five part cartoon was okay. It had an African flavor.I'm looking for a Black Panther theme song that will identify the character from here on. I want the sound track to be taken very seriously. I want a broad cross section of contemporary African artist as well as African Americans and others.Black Panther comics were always read by many races of fans.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda

 

[BarryAllen]

Aloha,
I would agree up to a point.Black Panther will resonate with both African as well as American audiences. He's an African super hero who was created by Americans.The intro music for his five part cartoon was okay. It had an African flavor.I'm looking for a Black Panther theme song that will identify the character from here on. I want the sound track to be taken very seriously. I want a broad cross section of contemporary African artist as well as African Americans and others.Black Panther comics were always read by many races of fans.
Spidey rules except in Wakanda

Yeah I agree.

And I'd say there's a big difference between an "urban" feel and a hip-hop feel (though one can argue that nowadays it's pretty much intertwined). I think people have preconcieved notions of hip hop itself as a musical artform, and I wouldn't mind a little bit of that flavor here or there in certain songs (an African style hip hop beat could actually be pretty cool). But yeah, an urban soundtrack would fit someone like Luke Cage better (and Marvel has followed through with this seeing the use of Nas in the teaser for the show).

 

[Chesterfield]

Coogler's an intelligent guy and he understands the importance of music to both tell and accompany a story. What you can expect is a strong orchestral score with strong beautiful African-centric cultural music themes. However, it maybe possible we may get certain hip hop artists like Nas, Talib Kweli, Kendrick Lamar, Jay-Z, Childish Gambino and even Kanye playing during the end credits. Not saying that it will or should happen, mind you.

 

[Stringer]

I could see modern tunes playing out in the background very much like Creed and The Wire only to be accompanied by the orchestral score composed by Goransson, who did great on Creed.

 

[Pink Ranger]

One way of rectifying the contradicting interests of the cultural importance of having urban American music in this film and the fact that it doesn't fit with the setting is having the character of Monica Lynne tie into it somehow, so it makes more sense to have urban beats in this movie. I'm not saying Monica should be a rapper, but instead of making her a jazz/cabaret artist, make her a crossover kind of musician like Alicia Keys or Erykah Badu. That opens up the film to be able to explore all kinds of black music but still having it fit with the plot.

 

[Elevator Man]

This article from Vulture pretty much confirms Ludwig Göransson as the composer of Black Panther.

You’re Not Ready for Black Panther’s Stunning New Spin on Superhero Movies

Coogler was wooed for months by Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige before he accepted the Black Panther directing gig; in part, I’ve heard, because Coogler wanted to be sure he could put his own personal stamp on the film. Many of the Marvel movies are shot, composed, and edited by the same in-house people, but Coogler wanted to bring over several of his own trusted collaborators, including co-writer Joe Robert Cole, composer Ludwig Göransson, and cinematographer Rachel Morrison. (Indeed, with Black Panther, Morrison becomes the first woman to shoot a film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.)

 

[Dark Raven]

I was hoping that Black Panther would have a James Brown soundtrack and that Chadwick Boseman would be covering all the songs.

 

[Silvermoth]

There must be a lot of people who would volunteer for a project like this. Maybe get a few singers in? Frank ocean, Alicia keys, some South African pop stars that sort of thing

 

[HammerDown]

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[Lencho01]

I'd remove that RTJ video due to the language.

 

[Shazam]

Speaking of music.......I tussled with whether to even mention this. But what the heck. I bounced it off another geek whose opinion I highly value but will remain unnamed. He agreed with me. So at least I feel like I wasn't just seeing things. Man! I thought I was crazy!! I didnt know what to think as I was watching the visuals and listening to the music in this trailer. It didnt hit me until later..... You know how they say , "All black folks look alike.."? Well guess what? All black movies MUST have a hip hop vibe in it" and hip hop music even if the main character is as far removed from that as a horse is from a Lexus.... When I first saw the Luke Cage trailer, it all fit..... the streets,,,Harlem....the rap music playing. But Tchalla is as far from Luke as you can get.....except for both being "brown". I was happy to see the Panther trailer, mind you, but I was kinda like..."huh?" Can any "all black " film be done apart from broad brush stereotypes? I hope this will be a great film. But Imagine the Wonder Woman trailer and SaltnPepa
or Arianna Grande playing in the background. Does not match the character. Does not match the film. Can anyone see my point?
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[Chesterfield]

The hell? The song fit perfectly and there were hardly any if the lyrics anyway. Plus, you do know hip hop is BIG in Africa, right?

 

[coreymb16]

^This and wouldn't putting "African music" be stereotypical?

 

[Wylie Times]

The hell? The song fit perfectly and there were hardly any if the lyrics anyway. Plus, you do know hip hop is BIG in Africa, right?

So big that various nations have their own hip hop scenes. Those saying that hip hop doesn't fit in a film set in Africa might be the ones buying into stereotypes.

I can't post any vids here, but there are plenty of hip hop artists that are born and raised in places like Kenya, Uganda, Nigeria, and South Africa. A lot of their music has a similar sound as most modern hip hop.

Look up artists like Odinareh Bingwa, Church Agbasa, BigTril, and Kwesta.

Most of the people complaining about the song choice likely wouldn't have known it was Run the Jewels if others hadn't pointed it out. That same beat with the same lyric very well could have come from an African hip hop artist.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

So big that various nations have their own hip hop scenes. Those saying that hip hop doesn't fit in a film set in Africa might be the ones buying into stereotypes.

I can't post any vids here, but there are plenty of hip hop artists that are born and raised in places like Kenya, Uganda, Nigeria, and South Africa. A lot of their music has a similar sound as most modern hip hop.

Look up artists like Odinareh Bingwa, Church Agbasa, BigTril, and Kwesta.

Most of the people complaining about the song choice likely wouldn't have known it was Run the Jewels if others hadn't pointed it out. That same beat with the same lyric very well could have come from an African hip hop artist.

It's good to know hip hop legacy continues in Africa.

Like a cultural exchange that went full circle in the most epic way possible.

 

[mclay18]

I don't think there will be much source music in Black Panther, even with Coogler using his own crew for the film. I can see Ludwig Goransson incorporating African percussion and hip-hop beats into the actual score, but holding back when necessary. The setting is African, but you don't need to constantly reference the location in the score. It would wear out its welcome, i.e. using the erhu for Chinese period films.

I can see Coogler getting some top quality artists to compose new songs for the film, which would be better.

 

[Shazam]

Country music is enjoyed worldwide too and has its roots in blues and soul (from African slaves). But it still doesn't fit every situation. And though Luke Cage was birthed in the early 70s, the music of the streets woulda been more Curtis Mayfield or the Dramatics...Isaac Hayes etc.....or even Trouble Man by Marvin. That was music of the streets back then. So hip hop makes sense as the updated street music for Luke Cage. Though Panther was mid 60s, he is from an isolated nation that was never colonized or affected by our western culture. That includes or music. I just couldn't make that hip hop refrain, in the clip, meld with the visuals I saw. But thanks for your responses! Good convo.

 

[Chance Jackson]

Speaking of music.......I tussled with whether to even mention this. But what the heck. I bounced it off another geek whose opinion I highly value but will remain unnamed. He agreed with me. So at least I feel like I wasn't just seeing things. Man! I thought I was crazy!! I didnt know what to think as I was watching the visuals and listening to the music in this trailer. It didnt hit me until later..... You know how they say , "All black folks look alike.."? Well guess what? All black movies MUST have a hip hop vibe in it" and hip hop music even if the main character is as far removed from that as a horse is from a Lexus.... When I first saw the Luke Cage trailer, it all fit..... the streets,,,Harlem....the rap music playing. But Tchalla is as far from Luke as you can get.....except for both being "brown". I was happy to see the Panther trailer, mind you, but I was kinda like..."huh?" Can any "all black " film be done apart from broad brush stereotypes? I hope this will be a great film. But Imagine the Wonder Woman trailer and SaltnPepa
or Arianna Grande playing in the background. Does not match the character. Does not match the film. Can anyone see my point?
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Not to gang up on ya but I didn't really feel like the song in the final ww trailer fit with any kind of WW1 movie. If you were playing up the romance/sensuality in a WW trailer I think Grande etc could have worked but that would be very different marketing messaging than what they were going for in the marketing campaign for WW

Ultimately a lot of this is pure YMMV

IMO and clearly ITO of the production and marketing teams If your going to do modern popular music in a US domestic movie with African Americans being significant in all areas of production both in front of and behind the camera Rap should clearly not be off the table, and rap is infinitely more appropriate in this context than Classic Rock, Heavy Metal or "My Chemical Fallout at the Disco" in a trailer for said movie.

IMO and clearly ITO of the production and marketing teams having at least some Rap in the production is more appropriate than an exclusively tribal or orchestral soundtrack I definitely think there is room for those genres too (there is a royal procession track from CtA I would love to hear sampled or covered one way or another)

I think Believer by Imagine Dragons on the theatrical trailer for "murder on the oriental express" is far more jarring and inappropriate than RTJ's "Legend Has It" for BP

 

[Dboi]

I want something like this from Casino Royale to be incorporated in to the film maybe in a particular action film. Starting from 3:54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZxNbAwY_rk&t=245s

 

[DrCosmic]

Country music is enjoyed worldwide too and has its roots in blues and soul (from African slaves). But it still doesn't fit every situation. And though Luke was birthed in the early 70s, the music of the streets woulda been more Curtis Mayfield or the Dramatics...Isaac Hayes etc.....or even Trouble Man by Marvin. That was music of the streets back then. So hip hop makes sense as the updated street music for Luke Cage. Though Panther was mid 60s, he is from an isolated nation that was never colonized or affected by our western culture. That includes or music. I just couldn't make that hip hop refrain, in the clip, meld with the visuals I saw. But thanks for your responses! Good convo.

I think one thing that's really interesting about Black Panther is that he is meta-narratively an African American character. Kinda like Kwanzaa is ostensibly African, using Swahili, but it's really African American. The Music kinda flows from that. Priest's run on BP is a huge influence, and he himself was a Black musician, using contemporary music. Reggie Hudlin brought Black Panther back as a proven seller and continuously published character and he modeled his T'Challa in part on Diddy Dirty Money, a very poor hip hop artist.

So while the music doesn't have any diagesis, unlike the equally culturally obtuse Hooked on a Feeling from Guardians of the Galaxy, it does have parallels and synergy, due to the nature of the character, as one more thing innovated on by African Americans.

 

[Shazam]

Not to gang up on ya but I didn't really feel like the song in the final ww trailer fit with any kind of WW1 movie. If you were playing up the romance/sensuality in a WW trailer I think Grande etc could have worked but that would be very different marketing messaging than what they were going for in the marketing campaign for WW

Ultimately a lot of this is pure YMMV

IMO and clearly ITO of the production and marketing teams If your going to do modern popular music in a US domestic movie with African Americans being significant in all areas of production both in front of and behind the camera Rap should clearly not be off the table, and rap is infinitely more appropriate in this context than Classic Rock, Heavy Metal or "My Chemical Fallout at the Disco" in a trailer for said movie.

IMO and clearly ITO of the production and marketing teams having at least some Rap in the production is more appropriate than an exclusively tribal or orchestral soundtrack I definitely think there is room for those genres too (there is a royal procession track from CtA I would love to hear sampled or covered one way or another)

I think Believer by Imagine Dragons on the theatrical trailer for "murder on the oriental express" is far more jarring and inappropriate than RTJ's "Legend Has It" for BP

It definitely did..... if you are talking about this..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw_o7XUX3fg


It just screams "ancient warrior" which is what Amazons are....

The drums beating in the background.....it was perfect. I know you are trying to make a point. But please........

a canned computer beat and the refrain of "step into the spotlight" just didnt fit. But hey..........I dont think it's gonna be the end of things. It was just something that didnt feel right to me.