Homecoming The Next Spider-Man - - - - - - - - Part 17

[BatsDC]

These boards are so boring lately...

And hostile. Which is odd, considering the two don't really go together.

 

[zizzy]

Indeed.

In due time, I have a feeling that O'Brien will fade away from the memories of a lot of fans. Personally speaking, I just get a really bad sense of 'fan-casting' when I try to picture O'Brien as Peter/Spidey. He physically resembles the character and might like to joke around like Spidey, but I don't think he'd be able to realistically hold his own against the likes of Robert Downey Jr. or the other big MCU leads.

Though, to be fair, I'm not entirely sure that Tom Holland can either. I mean, I'm sure he'd be comfortable working with Hemsworth again, but it looks like we won't be seeing that happening (if at all) until Infinity War. Having said that, Holland is a much better actor than O'Brien is, I think.

Asa though... while I can totally understand folks' concerns about how he would handle the character (his take would definitely be different from Holland's), I do think he could very easily go toe-to-toe with the other MCU leads. The kid's been up there with the likes of Harrison Ford and Martin Scorsese and has the acting chops to match Holland.

And Asa's got, what? Five or six more years of experience than both DOB and Holland. As much as I might prefer others, I think he would be able to hold his own just fine.

Billy Unger for Spidey!

Yeah!

And I'll throw out my support for Tony Revolori for Spider-Man as well!

 

[Frodo]

Indeed.

In due time, I have a feeling that O'Brien will fade away from the memories of a lot of fans. Personally speaking, I just get a really bad sense of 'fan-casting' when I try to picture O'Brien as Peter/Spidey. He physically resembles the character and might like to joke around like Spidey, but I don't think he'd be able to realistically hold his own against the likes of Robert Downey Jr. or the other big MCU leads.

The actor may have a future in the genre and end up playing another character, but ultimately I just don't see it happening with Spidey. History is filled with actors fans really wanted for a role but didn't get the role such as Bryan Cranston as Lex, Crispin Glover as Joker, Jon Hamm as Superman/Batman, Danzing as Wolverine, Megan Fox as Catwoman, Billy Zane as Lex, Idris Elba as Green Lantern etc.

To be fair fan choices such as Christian Bale as Batman and Patrick Stewart as Professor X have ended up with roles in the past but more often then not , studios have their own choices which fans either like, or don't like, and then have to be convinced by the actors performance.

 

[SM71]

I'm actually kinda bummed that fitting in with RDJ and the MCU group is such a big concern. I mean obviously I completely understand it, of course that's everyone's first thought. But I personally loved both Tobey's films and Garfield's, and I don't really think I could picture either of those with RDJ and this Avengers group.

I would prefer if they focused on getting the best actor/PP/SM for his own solo films, then however he happens to fit in with the Avengers (even if it ends up being in a quirky way) is just how it is. Focusing so much on how he fits with RDJ and co., it seems like, "well what's he gonna be like without them?" I don't want his success to rely on how well he fits in with them and end up needing them around

 

[C Prometheus]

I'm actually kinda bummed that fitting in with RDJ and the MCU group is such a big concern. I mean obviously I completely understand it, of course that's everyone's first thought. But I personally loved both Tobey's films and Garfield's, and I don't really think I could picture either of those with RDJ and this Avengers group.

I would prefer if they focused on getting the best actor/PP/SM for his own solo films, then however he happens to fit in with the Avengers (even if it ends up being in a quirky way) is just how it is. Focusing so much on how he fits with RDJ and co., it seems like, "well what's he gonna be like without them?" I don't want his success to rely on how well he fits in with them and end up needing them around

On the contrary, I think that the first thing that the casting director(s) will be looking for in the actors is how well they do on their own as Peter/Spidey. Both Tobey and Andrew did great in making the role their own, but part of why neither one would ever fit in with the MCU cast is because their Spideys come from two extremely different realities than the one established in the MCU.

Tobey's Peter exists in a universe that was generally contemporary for its time, yet was also hyper-animated. Raimi went to extremes to make those SM films look and feel very much like what was in the original comics. For example, as great JK Simmons is as JJ, he was interpreted in a rather 'cartoony' way.

Meanwhile, the ASM films were.... different. I admittedly haven't seen ASM2 (I could tell from the trailers that it wasn't going to be very good), but the first film was a very intentional effort on Sony's part to reinterpret Spidey in a more Nolan-esque manner ("darker and grittier"). The influence that came from the Ultimate Spider-Man comics is still very apparent and makes ASM potentially a bit easier to see existing in the MCU, but it was still off for some reason.

With that in mind, we do have to recognize that whoever ends up being our next Spidey will need to be interpreted in a way that fits in with the rest of the MCU. That includes the actor's ability to match the other actors involved, since part of the draw for this take on Spidey will be seeing him finally interacting with the other Avengers. Having said that, I do think the forefront goal will be to find an actor who can hold his own in the role solo.

 

[PeterBenParker]

O'Brien stans talking about him like he is a 23 year old Daniel Day Lewis
is hilarious. He has not yet proven to be some once in a life time stellar actor. Maybe in the future he will but he damn sure hasn't proven that yet, at all. He's a guy on a bad MTV teen show and is starring in low budget YA dystopia film series.

 

[harryoscop]

Billy Unger for Spidey!

Lol, #BillyforSpiderman

 

[Rodrigo90]

Spiderman, maybe. But definitely not Spider-Man

 

[dony2012]

So apparentally Asa is taller than Dylan, so all in all I find it funny that he wasn't even considered.

 

[harryoscop]

So apparentally Asa is taller than Dylan, so all in all I find it funny that he wasn't even considered.

Asa looks six years younger than Dylan, though.

 

[dony2012]

I disagree Harry, not that Asa looks older but Dylan looks very young.

 

[Frodo]

On the contrary, I think that the first thing that the casting director(s) will be looking for in the actors is how well they do on their own as Peter/Spidey. Both Tobey and Andrew did great in making the role their own, but part of why neither one would ever fit in with the MCU cast is because their Spideys come from two extremely different realities than the one established in the MCU.

Tobey's Peter exists in a universe that was generally contemporary for its time, yet was also hyper-animated. Raimi went to extremes to make those SM films look and feel very much like what was in the original comics. For example, as great JK Simmons is as JJ, he was interpreted in a rather 'cartoony' way.

I'd have to disagree that the Maguire and Garfield Peter's wouldn't fit in the MCU. They're universes wouldn't fit , which I would agree, but in terms of their performances, i'd really have to disagree with you. They're performances , save the emo Peter in SM3, we'rent so off the wall and over the top that they would seem out of place with Downey, Rufflo, and the others. The MCU has had a range of characters and characterizations from Alexander Pierce to Rocket Raccoon. One thing Marvel has done is have a variety of tones, characters , and stories. Even the tone of the Raimi and Webb films aren't all that far removed from the MCU films. Ant Man, GOTG, and CAFA could have just as easily been Sam Raimi films just as CATWS and Iron Man 2 and 3 would have fit in the Webbiverse in terms of tone.

There really isn't that great a gulf between the Sony Spiderman films and The MCU films tone wise, and characterization wise. Now, I would concede that Maguire and Garfield's Peter Parker may not be the ideal one's you would want in the MCU but looking at the characters the Raimi and Webb gave us , I really doubt they would have seemed all that out of place in the Avengers and in particular acting off of RDJ and Mark Rufflo. The dynamics with each actor would be different to be sure but I doubt it would have come off awkwardly to the average audience goer or to even film critics assuming the actors all had chemistry.

 

[Shanio1]

So apparentally Asa is taller than Dylan, so all in all I find it funny that he wasn't even considered.

hes 1 inch taller than Dylan which makes hardly any difference.

 

[spider-neil]

Let's be honest here, if Thor's world fits into the MCU then ANY world fits in the MCU.

 

[Frodo]

Let's be honest here, if Thor's world fits into the MCU then ANY world fits in the MCU.

Yeah. Marvel's model has been all about diversity and variety from Space operas , to spy thrillers, to urban crime drama's, to plain old fashioned Superhero films. The tones have gone from seeing Star Lord's mother die of cancer to a talking Raccoon and tree and that's just in one film. Then on earth you've got Daredevil in hell's kitchen fighting Kingpin, while Thor lives in other realms. That's why I really don't think Garfield's Spiderman or Maguire's Spiderman would seem all that out of place in the MCU.

 

[C Prometheus]

I'd have to disagree that the Maguire and Garfield Peter's wouldn't fit in the MCU. They're universes wouldn't fit , which I would agree, but in terms of their performances, i'd really have to disagree with you. They're performances , save the emo Peter in SM3, we'rent so off the wall and over the top that they would seem out of place with Downey, Rufflo, and the others. The MCU has had a range of characters and characterizations from Alexander Pierce to Rocket Raccoon. One thing Marvel has done is have a variety of tones, characters , and stories. Even the tone of the Raimi and Webb films aren't all that far removed from the MCU films. Ant Man, GOTG, and CAFA could have just as easily been Sam Raimi films just as CATWS and Iron Man 2 and 3 would have fit in the Webbiverse in terms of tone.

There really isn't that great a gulf between the Sony Spiderman films and The MCU films tone wise, and characterization wise. Now, I would concede that Maguire and Garfield's Peter Parker may not be the ideal one's you would want in the MCU but looking at the characters the Raimi and Webb gave us , I really doubt they would have seemed all that out of place in the Avengers and in particular acting off of RDJ and Mark Rufflo. The dynamics with each actor would be different to be sure but I doubt it would have come off awkwardly to the average audience goer or to even film critics assuming the actors all had chemistry.

The actors themselves could've potentially played Spidey in the MCU and fit in, sure, but my point is that it's not just the actor. If we were to get Tobey or Andrew again as Spidey in the MCU, it would be a completely different take on the character and his mythos than ones they previously worked with.

Take Judi Dench as "M," for example. She played two different characters known as "M" in her Bond films; the first during the Brosnan era thought of Bond as a relic of the Cold War and was a figurehead for more modern approaches to espionage/fighting terrorism. Contrast that with the "M" we get in the Craig films. Her opening dialogue in Casino Royale establishes her as a veteran in the spy business and as someone who actually misses the Cold War.

It would have to be something like that if we were to get any returning actor from either of the previous series, not just Tobey or Andrew as Peter. For example, I think we'd get a less animated JJ from Simmons if he were to reprise the role. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, it's just something that needs to be recognized.

Let's be honest here, if Thor's world fits into the MCU then ANY world fits in the MCU.

But that's a completely different culture, as are the ones that are shown in GotG. In the case of the previous Spider-Man films, we'd be dealing with contrasting takes on New York City. It could potentially work with the ASM films, maybe, but I struggle to see the reality established in the Raimi films fitting in with the existing takes on New York City in the MCU.

 

[JOE]

Asa looks six years younger than Dylan, though.

Didn't you say that Dylan looks 18-20? So that would mean Asa looks 12-14? I agree with you on something, at long last.

 

[zizzy]

I was thinking, if the studio's weren't motivated to make numerous sequels, would we even be looking at Asa or Tom right now? I mean, their main appeal seems to be their youth.

If Marvel/Song instead decided to just make the best Spider-Man movie they can right now, would they even be considered? I'm not saying that they're bad actors, but they aren't that good. They're respected child actors, that's kind of it.

 

[harryoscop]

I was thinking, if the studio's weren't motivated to make numerous sequels, would we even be looking at Asa or Tom right now? I mean, their main appeal seems to be their youth.

If Marvel/Song instead decided to just make the best Spider-Man movie they can right now, would they even be considered? I'm not saying that they're bad actors, but they aren't that good. They're respected child actors, that's kind of it.

They're miles better than Dylan in acting department. what Asa did in X+Y was deeper and more complex than ANYTHING Dylan has EVER done in his entire career as an actor. same with Tom in The Impossible.

The fact of the matter is that Tom and Asa are way better actors than Dylan O'Brien.

And that's EXACTLY why they're both the two top contenders.

 

[PeterBenParker]

I was thinking, if the studio's weren't motivated to make numerous sequels, would we even be looking at Asa or Tom right now? I mean, their main appeal seems to be their youth.

If Marvel/Song instead decided to just make the best Spider-Man movie they can right now, would they even be considered? I'm not saying that they're bad actors, but they aren't that good. They're respected child actors, that's kind of it.

I always wanted a series of one-off Spider-Man films, using the best story arcs with an ensemble cast that fit those specific story arcs, if that make any sense.

Using guys like Jake Gyllenhaal, Bret Harrison, etc. in the role.

 

[JOE]

The MCU is a business, they want longevity with their new Spider-Man. Period.

 

[Airwings]

I was thinking, if the studio's weren't motivated to make numerous sequels, would we even be looking at Asa or Tom right now? I mean, their main appeal seems to be their youth.

If Marvel/Song instead decided to just make the best Spider-Man movie they can right now, would they even be considered? I'm not saying that they're bad actors, but they aren't that good. They're respected child actors, that's kind of it.

Atleast Butterfield is that good. Much better than the majority of 20 something actors

 

[zizzy]

I always wanted a series of one-off Spider-Man films, using the best story arcs with an ensemble cast that fit those specific story arcs, if that make any sense.

Using guys like Jake Gyllenhaal, Bret Harrison, etc. in the role.

Ugh, that would be amazing!

Seriously, I don't need sequels. Just give me a good movie!

They're miles better than Dylan in acting department. what Asa did in X+Y was deeper and more complex than ANYTHING Dylan has EVER done in his entire career as an actor. same with Tom in The Impossible.

The fact of the matter is that Tom and Asa are way better actors than Dylan O'Brien.

And that's EXACTLY why they're both the two top contenders.

Thanks for proving my earlier point, Harry! Totes appreciate it!

 

[SM71]

The MCU is a business, they want longevity with their new Spider-Man. Period.

And they say Sony was the one only in it for the money

I'm not knocking you or your comment at all, just the truth behind what you said. While I definitely do respect what Marvel has done and is doing, I don't see how anyone could say that, for the most part, Marvel's just in it for the money. Which was a profound complaint with Sony, which I always found to be a bit hypocritical and unfair

 

[JOE]

And they say Sony was the one only in it for the money

I'm not knocking you or your comment at all, just the truth behind what you said. While I definitely do respect what Marvel has done and is doing, I don't see how anyone could say that, for the most part, Marvel's just in it for the money. Which was a profound complaint with Sony, which I always found to be a bit hypocritical and unfair

Marvel is 100% in it for the money just like anyone else. They've just found a way to please the fans while taking their money. It's less of a hassle that way.