The Dark Knight The Non-Spoiler Critic Review Thread

[The Battousai]

New review coming soon = http://www.horror.com/php/article-2022-1.html

Apparently, this one thinks TDK should join the ranks of the greatest crime dramas in history.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

New review coming soon = http://www.horror.com/php/article-2022-1.html

Apparently, this one thinks TDK should join the ranks of the greatest crime dramas in history.

Looks to be another great review of TDK.

Martin Scorsese's The Departed. Michael Mann's Heat. Brian de Palma's The Untouchables.

Some of my favorite, favorite movies, nuffsaid!

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Anyone know why IGN's excellent review was taken down from RottenTomatoes?

 

[The Battousai]

Anyone know why IGN's excellent review was taken down from RottenTomatoes?

No clue - it doesn't make much sense considering the site is run by IGN

 

[TheDarkVictory]

I wouldnt doubt if it got atleast a 90% though

if iron man (a movie that, admittedly, is good, but not in the way TDK will be good) can get a 93%, i guarantee TDK will get at least 95%. im not knocking iron man at all, but its a much more generic summer type flick then TDK seems to be, and, to me, the prologue was better than the entirety of iron man, so....

 

[the_monk]

Rottentomatoes, handy though it is, uses an extremely flawed system of ratings. Those 93% who gave positive reviews to Iron Man could have just all given slightly good reviews, whereas the people who rating for TDK could be lower, even if all the positive reviews are absolute raves.

 

[The Battousai]

The percentage given, though the most prominent and useful for the average moviegoer, is not the only rating.

There is also an average rating based on the actual scores given by the critics.

As you can see here, while Iron Man has a great deal of positive reviews, the average score better represents the quality of the movie.

 

[az824]

thats what i dont like about rottentomatoes, it doesnt show the accuracy of the movie, more like how many people liked it.

 

[The Battousai]

*sigh*

What did I just get done saying?

 

[Finlandman]

New review coming soon = http://www.horror.com/php/article-2022-1.html

Apparently, this one thinks TDK should join the ranks of the greatest crime dramas in history.

Does this have spoilers? ( You can't be too careful.)

EDIT: Nevermind, I checked it, and just now I read your post completely.

 

[Voyeur]

I still say TDK isn't as safe a movie as Iron Man...therefore, more vulnerable to negative reviews. I'm just trying to prepare myself. But, looks like it'll be pretty darn good no matter what now.

Happy 4th everybody!

 

[the_monk]

The percentage given, though the most prominent and useful for the average moviegoer, is not the only rating.

There is also an average rating based on the actual scores given by the critics.

As you can see here, while Iron Man has a great deal of positive reviews, the average score better represents the quality of the movie.

Fair point, but I was talking about the tomatometer system. Very few people even see the "average rating". Plus, I'd say an average rating of 7.6 is significantly lower than the impression a 93% fresh rating gives.

 

[Kargo Warrior]

Anyone know why IGN's excellent review was taken down from RottenTomatoes?

It's because of the WB reviews embargo...the IGN review had some spoilers unlike the other 4 that are there right now.

Dont worry it,will be back in 3-4 days at the most.

And i agree with most of you about RT's system...for example There Will Be Blood has 91%...to say that Iron Man has 30% of that movie's acting,cinematography,dialogue,directing is luducrious,let alone to say that IM is actually a better film which the score in a way insinuates.

If we look at the first 5 reviews of TDK (including the IGN review) they all praise it as a masterpiece,while i dont remember 1 review with those kind of epithets for Iron Man.

 

[the_monk]

Honestly, I wouldn't give Iron Man more than a 6/10. It's an enjoyable movie, but so much of it is geared toward the 14 year old market that it doesn't do much interesting stuff. Also, some of that product placement was awful.

 

[Kargo Warrior]

It's a well made,fun movie but ultimately cliche ridden and forgettable.

The only thing that separates the movie from any other Marvel origin movie is Robert Downey's performance which is no doubt good but has received what i believe too much praise.

Basically he acts the same nonchalant way he does in every other movie he's in,the difference this time is that the role actually demands that and voilla...a perfect match.

 

[the_monk]

It's a well made,fun movie but ultimately cliche ridden and forgettable.

The only thing that separates the movie from any other Marvel origin movie is Robert Downey's performance which is no doubt good but has received what i believe too much praise.

Basically he acts the same nonchalant way he does in every other movie he's in,the difference this time is that the role actually demands that and voilla...a perfect match.

Exactly. It's one of those films that makes oodles of money during the summer, but ultimately won't have a huge lasting impact on the movie-going public.

Which is fine. Not every movie has to have much substance.

However, it bothers me when they can advertise it as the "best reviewed movie of the year" simply because they look at the misleading Tomato-meter rating instead of the average score.

A movie such as There Will Be Blood, which is obviously a much better film than Iron Man, has a lower rating simply because it's not a movie that everyone can enjoy. If Citizen Kane were to come out today, I can guarantee it wouldn't have a 100% rating, because it would be seen by more people and would turn a large share of its audience away (because it's a smart movie).

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Basically he acts the same nonchalant way he does in every other movie he's in,the difference this time is that the role actually demands that and voilla...a perfect match.

LOL, true. Still, Iron Man makes my top 5 greatest superhero films of all time. Joining Batman Begins, Spider-Man 2, Superman: The Movie, and X2.

 

[Conebone69]

It's a well made,fun movie but ultimately cliche ridden and forgettable.

The only thing that separates the movie from any other Marvel origin movie is Robert Downey's performance which is no doubt good but has received what i believe too much praise.

Basically he acts the same nonchalant way he does in every other movie he's in,the difference this time is that the role actually demands that and voilla...a perfect match.

I totally agree. IM got way more praise then it deserved

 

[Magenta666]

It was fun though

 

[az824]

*sigh*

What did I just get done saying?

i was only agreeing

 

[The Battousai]

i was only agreeing

Not really... >.>

I was making a point that there is, in fact, more than one system of rating for movies on RT.

 

[evilskillz]

I totally agree with your guys assessment of Iron Man. Started out entertaining and fun and then turned into a cliche, normal, nothing to see here action film.

It really wasn't all that special. I'll still say it's a step behind Batman Begins, and Spiderman 2 just because of pure entertainment value. Tony Stark was a cool guy and it was fun to watch him work. But...

I think TDK will be a much more serious and high quality film. No matter how it compares with moves like Iron Man on the tomatometer, I think the general consensus will be, "The Dark Knight" is a rare comic book/action film that goes beyond those usual limitations.

This film could possibly enter the class of great classics like Empire Strikes Back. Where if you reach that level, it becomes not only a well made film, but also one that can be enjoyed by future generations to come. Someday, We could look back at this film and say this was a special film that not only entertained but made you think.

I think a lot of us thought Nolan had it in him to make a high quality Batman film. And Batman Begins made you see that potential, if they could only get everything right next time. The Dark Knight may have done it. We'll find out shortly.

 

[Finlandman]

IMO Iron Man deserves all praise it is getting. It's the best MARVEL movie. But I'll stop now before I'll get into a fight.

 

[Voyeur]

No reviews this morning.

 

[redfirebird2008]

IMO Iron Man deserves all praise it is getting. It's the best MARVEL movie. But I'll stop now before I'll get into a fight.

I agree that it is the best Marvel movie (along with X2). But I don't feel it deserves to make $200 million more worldwide than Batman Begins. And I don't feel it's THAT much better to deserve such a high Tomatometer score. Begins still has a higher average rating on there, but as someone already pointed out, Begins was a bigger risk. It had to contend with the fact that: (1) there's been a very good version of Batman on film before already and people are set in their ways that it is THE best and there's no point in making new ones, and (2) some people don't expect a superhero movie to take itself as seriously as Batman Begins did and therefore rip it a new a-hole for taking that approach. Iron Man followed more of a formula and took less risks. Therefore it's liked by more people, but it is not necessarily as WELL-LIKED by those people as Begins is by its fans.