The Obama Thread (Merged x6)

[rdh007]

Kaine: Virginia could go blue for Obama
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/06/kaine-virginia-could-go-blue-for-obama/

Now he's just desperate. :

Spoiler

Though he's not the worst candidate for the job.

 

[Tag279]

Wouldn't you consider it a good thing that "young blacks don't recognize the old phrases?" I guess I don't understand this.

There are those in the african-american community who have resigned themselves to harming the very cause that they represent in an attempt to remain viable. (Jesse Jackson, Reverend Wright, Al Sharpton.)

This country has largely moved beyond racial lines, despite what some would like to contend. Am I saying that racists and racism do not still exist? Of course not. My point is that group of people are a very vocal minority in our country. And they are hardly representative of the overall picture.

To me, the fact that people no longer recognize the "old phrases" is a good thing. The fact that Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for President of the United States, and NOT a "black man running for President," is a good thing.

Marx I can appreciate your optomistic views. I wish you were 100% correct.

Yes we as a nation have begun to move beyond racial lines but there are numerous pockets of racism alive kicking and active.

Consider the illegal immigrant beat to death by three white teens in Texas very recently.

Consider the mass shooting at Lockheed Martin 5-years ago.

Consider Jena Louisiana last year.

Consider the young man hung in my city two years ago because he was black and was about to marry a white woman.

This racial intolerance and misunderstanding is still very present.

 

[BlackLantern]

so if I am having relations with a white woman and I go for some backdoor lovin' and she refuses is she being uppity...??

 

[Marx]

Marx I can appreciate your optomistic views. I wish you were 100% correct.

Yes we as a nation have begun to move beyond racial lines but there are numerous pockets of racism alive kicking and active.

Consider the illegal immigrant beat to death by three white teens in Texas very recently.

Consider the mass shooting at Lockheed Martin 5-years ago.

Consider Jena Louisiana last year.

Consider the young man hung in my city two years ago because he was black and was about to marry a white woman.

This racial intolerance and misunderstanding is still very present.

There will always be pockets of racism alive and kicking in this country. No matter what gains are made, there will always be those who seek to undo what has been done in order to remain viable. However, they are a small and very vocal minority.

Illegal immigrant murders in texas, mass shootings at Lockheed, and the Jena 6 are perfect examples of racism still being a problem. That said, I strongly believe that situations like that occur in very small numbers. It is not representative of the larger views in this country.

 

[Tag279]

There will always be pockets of racism alive and kicking in this country. No matter what gains are made, there will always be those who seek to undo what has been done in order to remain viable. However, they are a small and very vocal minority.

Illegal immigrant murders in texas, mass shootings at Lockheed, and the Jena 6 are perfect examples of racism still being a problem. That said, I strongly believe that situations like that occur in very small numbers. It is not representative of the larger views in this country.

This is true sir this is true.

 

[Tron5000]

Marx don't you live in Ohio? I live in Mississippi and I have to tell you it is used here in the manner that varient and I are referring to.

"Uppity negroes and race agitators are the type a folks that messed up the America" This quote is a statement that was made on a morning talk show today on a country station talk show in my area this morning by a caller.

To the agreement of the radio personalities they were discussing the implications of Obama becoming President.

Just because you have never used a word or had a given derrogatory term directed to you does not mean that it is not used that way.

"Uppity negroes don't seem to know their place" (same caller) the world is big and different people have different experiences. because person "A" has not experienced an event or incident that person "B" has does not make person"B's" experience any less real or hurtful to person "B"

From the Department of Redundancy Department.

 

[Tron5000]

so if I am having relations with a white woman and I go for some backdoor lovin' and she refuses is she being uppity...??

Any woman who refuses is being uppity. Especially if it's in your bed. If she ain't cool with it, get to steppin', ho.

 

[Tron5000]

This is a term used by southerners to describe people from other parts of the country protesting Jim Crowe laws and racial discrimination.

This term was recently used by people describing the protesters that went to Jena Louisiana.

I'm from The South, and have never used that term, nor have any of my friends (that I can recall). Of which "southerners" do you speak, sir?

 

[Tag279]

I'm from The South, and have never used that term, nor have any of my friends (that I can recall). Of which "southerners" do you speak, sir?

Tron I live in Mississippi I'm 35 people in their 40s, 50s, and 60s use this term when a person is called "uppity" it is to indicate that they are viewed as someone that are acting beyond their station.

When the Lockheed Martin incident and people from other parts of the country came through here they were called agitators you see the man that did the shooting was intent on killing his black co-workers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-07-08-lockheed-shooting_x.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/07/08/plant.shoot/index.html

When his family was interviewed by our local news one of his relatives that uppity blacks were responsible for his anger.

 

[Tron5000]

Tron I live in Mississippi I'm 35 people in their 40s, 50s, and 60s use this term when a person is called "uppity" it is to indicate that they are viewed as someone that are acting beyond their station.

When the Lockheed Martin incident and people from other parts of the country came through here they were called agitators you see the man that did the shooting was intent on killing his black co-workers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-07-08-lockheed-shooting_x.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/07/08/plant.shoot/index.html

When his family was interviewed by our local news one of his relatives that uppity blacks were responsible for his anger.

What does one crazy dude have to do with me or the definition of a word?

 

[Tag279]

What does one crazy dude have to do with me or the definition of a word?

You asserted that you don't use the word and never heard anyone use that word in a racially derrogatory fashion I gave you an example of an incident where it applied.

What's the problem?

If you want a definition here is one.

uppity

Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's place in a social heirarchy. Assuming equality with someone higher up the social ladder.

From the Urban dictionary.

From the Online Dictionary
up·pi·ty (

p

-t

) adj. Informal Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station; presumptuous: "was getting a little uppity and needed to be slapped down" New York Times.

 

[Tron5000]

You asserted that you don't use the word and never heard anyone use that word in a racially derrogatory fashion I gave you an example of an incident where it applied.

What's the problem?

If you want a definition here is one.

uppity

Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's place in a social heirarchy. Assuming equality with someone higher up the social ladder.

From the Urban dictionary.

From the Online Dictionary
up·pi·ty (

p

-t

) adj. Informal Taking liberties or assuming airs beyond one's station; presumptuous: "was getting a little uppity and needed to be slapped down" New York Times.

So how is that racist?

 

[Marx]

So how is that racist?

That's what I'm still trying to figure out.

 

[The Senator]

-my cat was all uppity because she thought the dangling electrical wire was something she could play with

-Hillary Clinton is uppity because she thinks she could be Senate majority leader

-Mitt Romney is uppity because he thinks magic underwear will cleanse his soul.

-Joe Lieberman is uppity because he thinks the Democrats won't kick him out of the party next year.

Looks like uppity can also describe women, Mormons, Jews and animals...

 

[Marx]

-my cat was all uppity because she thought the dangling electrical wire was something she could play with

-Hillary Clinton is uppity because she thinks she could be Senate majority leader

-Mitt Romney is uppity because he thinks magic underwear will cleanse his soul.

-Joe Lieberman is uppity because he thinks the Democrats won't kick him out of the party next year.

Looks like uppity can also describe women, Mormons, Jews and animals...

I just don't get it. It is true that any word can be used in a negative context, but how something like "uppity" can be considered racial is beyond me.

 

[Tag279]

So how is that racist?

That's what I'm still trying to figure out.

Uppity is used as part of a racial slur it is not racial in itself. When I was at the University of Alabama at a debate and forensic tournament when I was in college my team-mate and I were going into the university center to find our when our next round was and two white students glared at my team-mate and I, and said "Uppity N*****s and walked off remarking on how N*****s were dangerous when they became educated.

All I am saying is that that particular word for a large number of black people especially those that have grown up in the deep south have a severely negative connotation.

And when blacks call other blacks uppity because they have gotten educations, speak well, or have what are percived as good jobs it hurts even worse.

 

[Marx]

Uppity is used as part of a racial slur it is not racial in itself. When I was at the University of Alabama at a debate and forensic tournament when I was in college my team-mate and I were going into the university center to find our when our next round was and two white students glared at my team-mate and I, and said "Uppity N*****s and walked off remarking on how N*****s were dangerous when they became educated.

All I am saying is that that particular word for a large number of black people especially those that have grown up in the deep south have a severely negative connotation.

And when blacks call other blacks uppity because they have gotten educations, speak well, or have what are percived as good jobs it hurts even worse.

It is no different than adding any other supporting descriptive word to the slur. It would be no different than saying arrogant, snooty, or snobbish. Or adding those same words to b****, a******, or p****. In any case, I think it is more a matter of over-sensitivity. (With all due respect.)

 

[Excel]

Sigh.

If you truly "dont know why so many people get offended" Then I think you need to study more history.

I know my history. None of the people who had my anncestors as slaves are still alive and modern racism comes from uneducated, low lifes who I coudl care less about

The only thing I really take offense to are seeing confederate flags on a car. And even that that doesnt mean theyre racists

We have "Ignored" it since Slavery ended - and it didn't start getting better until we started activily protesting it.
Now your silly behind rests on the laurels of others who did not "ignore it".

"Sigh"

Others who suffered for standing up and saying that "you will not put me in a box and classify me as "less" anymore because I "allow" or "ignore it".

Those people were oppressed. African Americvan now, for the vast most part, arent. Whats your point

I would have done the same thing if I were in that situation...but Im not.

These people Stomped on any HINT that they were being stepped on because as a matter of course EVERY interaction always had SOME POINT where their color was called into it.

Ok.

Now we have A blackman running for the highest political office in the country,... and the disconnect is that young blacks don't recognize the old phrases which had been used to describe blacks in America FOR CENTURIES who go into areas where some would rather not have them go.

Yes we do. Times have changed. Of course we recognize them, but I have such a little amount of respect for any peopl hatin on Black people that they arent worth the effort to even think about because they have no say in what goes on in my life. It wasnt like that in the times your talking about, so having my opinion wouldnt have suited you well back then. But it does now

I stand with my original statement that he should have known better and I add that you should too.

Please. Obama is a lot stronger then some candidate who has to play victim to get support.

XL

 

[Tron5000]

Uppity is used as part of a racial slur it is not racial in itself. When I was at the University of Alabama at a debate and forensic tournament when I was in college my team-mate and I were going into the university center to find our when our next round was and two white students glared at my team-mate and I, and said "Uppity N*****s and walked off remarking on how N*****s were dangerous when they became educated.

All I am saying is that that particular word for a large number of black people especially those that have grown up in the deep south have a severely negative connotation.

And when blacks call other blacks uppity because they have gotten educations, speak well, or have what are percived as good jobs it hurts even worse.

I live in the Deep South. Don't often hear that phrase. Sorry for the experience you endured, but that is not indicative of most Southerners.

 

[The Senator]

Many gay people find the word "queer" offensive.

At the same time, it has become a word which we use to describe the entire GLBT community. It's one syllable and easier to say than the GLBT/ LBGT/ LGBT abbreviation used by most people.

Yeah, I can see why it is offensive for a gay person to hear him referred to as a member of the "queer community." But, I'd tell that person that he has to look at how the word was used in context.

"Uppity n-word" is different from "that cat was uppity." One was meant to be derogatory, the other was meant to describe how stupid the cat was. "what a queer" is different from "he's a member of the queer community." It all depends on context.

 

[Tag279]

It is no different than adding any other supporting descriptive word to the slur. It would be no different than saying arrogant, snooty, or snobbish. Or adding those same words to b****, a******, or p****. In any case, I think it is more a matter of over-sensitivity. (With all due respect.)

How can you come off and assert over sensitivity when you have not experienced the same thing that i have experienced? Marx you and Jman are not black how can you all dismiss the feelings of black people when you have not experienced it.

I try to be civil and respectful of other peoples points of view; I don't always succeed but i try.

Yet you are willing to dismiss my experiences and my reactions to them? I would not even begin to dismiss negative things that Jman has experienced from ignorant evil people who have a problem with his lifestyle choice.

Why are you so willing to dismiss what black people feel or have experienced for the simple fact that they are black?

BL is fortunate to never have had blatant racial hatred directed toward him; his experiences ARE NOT indicative of the experiences that most black people have had in regards to racial conflict.

I and others wish that we would have been so blessed.

 

[Tron5000]

Many gay people find the word "queer" offensive.

At the same time, it has become a word which we use to describe the entire GLBT community. It's one syllable and easier to say than the GLBT/ LBGT/ LGBT abbreviation used by most people.

Yeah, I can see why it is offensive for a gay person to hear him referred to as a member of the "queer community." But, I'd tell that person that he has to look at how the word was used in context.

"Uppity n-word" is different from "that cat was uppity." One was meant to be derogatory, the other was meant to describe how stupid the cat was. "what a queer" is different from "he's a member of the queer community." It all depends on context.

That's kind of a queer statement, but I agree with it.

Just don't go getting all fairy on us. t:

 

[Marx]

Many gay people find the word "queer" offensive.

At the same time, it has become a word which we use to describe the entire GLBT community. It's one syllable and easier to say than the GLBT/ LBGT/ LGBT abbreviation used by most people.

Yeah, I can see why it is offensive for a gay person to hear him referred to as a member of the "queer community." But, I'd tell that person that he has to look at how the word was used in context.

"Uppity n-word" is different from "that cat was uppity." One was meant to be derogatory, the other was meant to describe how stupid the cat was. "what a queer" is different from "he's a member of the queer community." It all depends on context.

That's what I've been saying all along. It all comes down to the context in which it is used.

 

[The Senator]

That's kind of a queer statement, but I agree with it.

Just don't go getting all fairy on us. t:

homophobe

 

[Addendum]

Uppity is used as part of a racial slur, it is not racial in itself.

Which is the point Marx and Jman have been making all day