The Official 24 Day 8 Thread! (spoilers)

[Hunter Rider]

I can respect that opinion but i feel like 1) Renee's death was overkill, Jack's literally lost everyone he cares about besides Kim and Chloe, Renee was like his last shot at some semblance of happiness. I'm not saying the series should have ended with them riding into the sunset, but it would have been nice to give jack some sort of reward after 8 seasons of sacrifice.

And 2)Taylor was acting way out of character, she should have stood her ground like she had done in season 7. Up until her change of character, she could have easily rivaled Palmer as the best president in '24'.

Jack can never have anyone, Heller told him that at the end of season 6, and this carried on that theme, plus if Renee hadn't died Taylor's betrayal would not have stung Jack as much.

I think the thing was her initial move to use Logan was a desperate one as opposed to a deliberately malicious one as she needed the Russians back at the table, however it spiralled out of control and Logan had her trapped.

 

[Kingfish]

The thing is, Jack still has a chance at happiness. Her name is Audrey and she's not dead yet. Sure, she's in a coma, but it's not exactly hard to write her out of that for the movie. And, for Jack, Renee was really just a blip compared to that.

 

[kguillou]

Whatever happened to Kate Warner from Season 2? Didnt they get together too?

 

[Kingfish]

Yes. Then she was written out 20 seconds into Season 3. Then she appeared in the game when it was released.

 

[kguillou]

Oh yeah, that was a shame. The video game i mean. t:

 

[Hunter Rider]

The thing is, Jack still has a chance at happiness. Her name is Audrey and she's not dead yet. Sure, she's in a coma, but it's not exactly hard to write her out of that for the movie. And, for Jack, Renee was really just a blip compared to that.

Jack knows being with Audrey is bad for her, same as it was for Teri, he realized it at the end of season 6. Renee' represented a real shot though b/c she understood him, to a degree she was like him and damaged the same as him, plus she could take care of herself.

 

[Kingfish]

Yeah, but if they were to wake Audrey up, do you really think either of them would say no? She went to China and got herself into this state for him. They pretty much belong together and Jack staring out to sea for a couple of minutes doesn't really change that.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think Jack would say no because he realizes her being with him is bad for her and that would override everything else.

 

[Kingfish]

You really think Jack is just gonna say, "Sorry. Know you were mentally tortured for months and then spent years in a coma all because you were trying to help me, but I can't risk causing you any harm. Bye."

Nah.

 

[Hunter Rider]

He already did, he left and went to Africa and wasn't coming back to the US until he was blackmailed. Why on Earth would he get back with her and **** her up more? b/c that's what happens with Jack and always will, it's why he can never be with a regular women, they either get ****ed up or dead, hell even the one woman seemingly meant for him got killed, Jack is basically destined to be alone, he's a walking tragedy.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I truly believe that while Jack is a walking tragedy, he can still receive a happy ending as he deserves one. You know Audrey will make an appearance at some point and same with Tony.

Personally I believe Audrey was the one that understood Jack the most.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Th best you can hope for with Jack is a bittersweet ending, as far as understanding Jack, Renee was basically like Jack in many ways, she had an insight into him a woman like Audrey or Teri could never have. as for Tony, the only way I see him in the movie is so he can die.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Th best you can hope for with Jack is a bittersweet ending, as far as understanding Jack, Renee was basically like Jack in many ways, she had an insight into him a woman like Audrey or Teri could never have. as for Tony, the only way I see him in the movie is so he can die.

Oh, absolutely. If Tony returns I can definitely see him sacrificing himself for Jack since he's literally a man that has nothing to lose. I disagree with the Renee deal.

I definitely believe Audrey understood him more than say Renee and even Teri. Then again Nina understood him too and we all know how that turned out. So maybe you're right.

 

[Kingfish]

He already did, he left and went to Africa and wasn't coming back to the US until he was blackmailed. Why on Earth would he get back with her and **** her up more? b/c that's what happens with Jack and always will, it's why he can never be with a regular women, they either get ****ed up or dead, hell even the one woman seemingly meant for him got killed, Jack is basically destined to be alone, he's a walking tragedy.

He didn't exactly leave her to go to Africa. She was in a coma and there was nothing he could do for her. And if he had stayed Heller would have probably had him arrested or something.

Renee wasn't made for him. Renee WAS him essentially. It never would have worked between them.

You seem almost shackled to this idea that Jack absolutely cannot end in a way that could be considered happy. I disagree. If he had gone ahead with that assassination then sure, but he got through that whole mess. There is clearly a potential happy ending out there with Audrey, which both of them deserve.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Oh, absolutely. If Tony returns I can definitely see him sacrificing himself for Jack since he's literally a man that has nothing to lose. I disagree with the Renee deal.

I definitely believe Audrey understood him more than say Renee and even Teri. Then again Nina understood him too and we all know how that turned out. So maybe you're right.

Getting Tony out of whatever blackhole they put him is going to be difficult to write into the movie given Jack will be without resources, but I suspect he may show up.

He didn't exactly leave her to go to Africa. She was in a coma and there was nothing he could do for her. And if he had stayed Heller would have probably had him arrested or something.

Renee wasn't made for him. Renee WAS him essentially. It never would have worked between them.

You seem almost shackled to this idea that Jack absolutely cannot end in a way that could be considered happy. I disagree. If he had gone ahead with that assassination then sure, but he got through that whole mess. There is clearly a potential happy ending out there with Audrey, which both of them deserve.

Arrested for what? at the time he wasn't wanted for anything, he left because he knew that is what was best for her.

She wasn't him, she was in danger of becoming him but had they gotten out as planned things may have been different, and she accepted Jack for who he really is.

I am not shackled to anything, the entire running theme of 24 for 8 seasons is that when you do what Jack does there is no happy ending, The scene with Heller at the end of season 6 was a defining one for the series, I don't see them suddenly having it end with Jack and Audrey snuggled up watching Dora the explorer with little Teri.

The only way I could see it playing out with Audrey and Jack is Jack gets the Russian's off his back and returns to the US to serve a sentence for the slayings of the Russian's politician and his staff, and it ends with Audrey coming to visit him in prison.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Getting Tony out of whatever blackhole they put him is going to be difficult to write into the movie given Jack will be without resources, but I suspect he may show up.



Arrested for what? at the time he wasn't wanted for anything, he left because he knew that is what was best for her.

She wasn't him, she was in danger of becoming him but had they gotten out as planned things may have been different, and she accepted Jack for who he really is.

I am not shackled to anything, the entire running theme of 24 for 8 seasons is that when you do what Jack does there is no happy ending, The scene with Heller at the end of season 6 was a defining one for the series, I don't see them suddenly having it end with Jack and Audrey snuggled up watching Dora the explorer with little Teri.

The only way I could see it playing out with Audrey and Jack is Jack gets the Russian's off his back and returns to the US to serve a sentence for the slayings of the Russian's politician and his staff, and it ends with Audrey coming to visit him in prison.

I can't see them having Jack in prison since they pretty much did that with him going to China. If anything I can see him possibly living overseas with Kim, Teri, and continuing to live the remainder of his days alone and ravaged from constant battles.

But again, since Taylor is going to expose her involvement with the Russians and expose the conspiracy I can't see them arresting Jack over that.

Technically he should be a free man because of that when you think about it.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I can't see them having Jack in prison since they pretty much did that with him going to China. If anything I can see him possibly living overseas with Kim, Teri, and continuing to live the remainder of his days alone and ravaged from constant battles.

But again, since Taylor is going to expose her involvement with the Russians and expose the conspiracy I can't see them arresting Jack over that.

Technically he should be a free man because of that when you think about it.

He could never be a free man in the US, no matter what Taylor did Jack slaughtered a bunch of Russian's on US soil, some who were simply security, he has to pay for that, and there'd be a difference to the China prison b/c he was dragged there and it was a hellhole, he'd be put in a military prison like a fallen hero in the US.

 

[Kingfish]

But again, since Taylor is going to expose her involvement with the Russians and expose the conspiracy I can't see them arresting Jack over that.

Technically he should be a free man because of that when you think about it.

The US would be after him for murdering Dana at the very least (which he would probably beat anyway. Heck, he beat whatever Nina charges there were and that was the exact same thing).

Arrested for what? at the time he wasn't wanted for anything, he left because he knew that is what was best for her.

Heller got a restraining order against Jack on her behalf. The only reason he didn't have him arrested was because Jack left willingly.

She wasn't him, she was in danger of becoming him but had they gotten out as planned things may have been different, and she accepted Jack for who he really is.

That was clearly the Season 7 arc, but unfortunately, they kind of tossed it out when they rewrote her back-story in Season 8. The Russian mob put her on a dark path before she even met Jack.

Heck, they have to be careful not to just repeat that "no-happy ending" with Jack since they just did it with Renee.

I am not shackled to anything, the entire running theme of 24 for 8 seasons is that when you do what Jack does there is no happy ending, The scene with Heller at the end of season 6 was a defining one for the series, I don't see them suddenly having it end with Jack and Audrey snuggled up watching Dora the explorer with little Teri.

That. Right there. That's what you and others seem to be shackled to. This idea that Heller and Kim were right about Jack and that he is poison. Well, I disagree. All Jack has ever done is sacrifice and be **** upon. There was nothing he could have done about what happened to Audrey. Do they have to end up on the couch? No. Does he deserve a chance to resolve things with her? Yes (and she REALLY deserves it).

 

[Hunter Rider]

The US would be after him for murdering Dana at the very least (which he would probably beat anyway. Heck, he beat whatever Nina charges there were and that was the exact same thing).

He might be able to beat that but he couldn't beat the slaughter of the Russian's, their country would demand the Us punish him and they'd have no choice.

Heller got a restraining order against Jack on her behalf. The only reason he didn't have him arrested was because Jack left willingly.

It wouldn't be easy to make that stick but the fact is Jack didn't just stay away he went across the other side of the world to get away from anyone he might hurt.

That was clearly the Season 7 arc, but unfortunately, they kind of tossed it out when they rewrote her back-story in Season 8. The Russian mob put her on a dark path before she even met Jack.

Heck, they have to be careful not to just repeat that "no-happy ending" with Jack since they just did it with Renee.

They blurred the line I agree and I preferred the season 7 dynamic, espeically that scene where Marika who helped them was killed and she slapped Jack and yelled at him about whether he felt anything anymore. the thing was she was not as far gone as Jack, her toughness was a shell where as Jack is hardened.

They have been doing the no happy ending for the entire run of the show, Jack's women all end up ****ed, that's the theme that runs throughout.

That. Right there. That's what you and others seem to be shackled to. This idea that Heller and Kim were right about Jack and that he is poison. Well, I disagree. All Jack has ever done is sacrifice and be **** upon. There was nothing he could have done about what happened to Audrey. Do they have to end up on the couch? No. Does he deserve a chance to resolve things with her? Yes (and she REALLY deserves it).

It's not shackled nor have I ever said Jack was poison, the running theme of the show is sacrifice, Jack has crossed so many dangerous people that he doesn't get to play happy families, he sacrifices his chance to have that so that other's can, that is what he has been doing for the entire run.

Tell me what you have in mind for this happy ending.

 

[Kingfish]

He might be able to beat that but he couldn't beat the slaughter of the Russian's, their country would demand the Us punish him and they'd have no choice.

Debatable. The Russians wouldn't have a leg to stand on in the global theater. Not when the Russian President has been implicated as being behind the assassination of Hassan.

It wouldn't be easy to make that stick but the fact is Jack didn't just stay away he went across the other side of the world to get away from anyone he might hurt.

He's the former Secretary of Defense. Probably not too hard to make that stick if he wanted to.

They blurred the line I agree and I preferred the season 7 dynamic, espeically that scene where Marika who helped them was killed and she slapped Jack and yelled at him about whether he felt anything anymore. the thing was she was not as far gone as Jack, her toughness was a shell where as Jack is hardened.

Renee in Season 8 was really just Jack in Season 2. It really didn't feel right for her character based on what had been set up before.

Of course, that's just a result of them trying to undo everything that made Season 7 good.

They have been doing the no happy ending for the entire run of the show, Jack's women all end up ****ed, that's the theme that runs throughout.

So, what would be more shocking on the most shocking television show?

It's not shackled nor have I ever said Jack was poison, the running theme of the show is sacrifice, Jack has crossed so many dangerous people that he doesn't get to play happy families, he sacrifices his chance to have that so that other's can, that is what he has been doing for the entire run.

And now you're talking about how to end it. The question is what to do with Jack when there's nothing left to sacrifice for.

Tell me what you have in mind for this happy ending.

It's not like I've written it out or something, but he pretty much has to come to either Audrey or Kim's aide. They're the only things that he would respond to anymore. After whatever plot is resolved, you can do pretty much anything with them. They live together, disappear, heck you could even kill them both. The point is that then you've resolved his character. He might be hesitant to see Audrey, but he'd get over it. Again, in that case, SHE deserves it more than he does.

 

[kguillou]

I think more than anything since 24 is a television show, it would just be nice to see a "happy" ending for Jack. At least some kind of reward or consolation to bring the message that when you sacrifice for others, sometimes you do get rewarded. HOWEVER, Jack did cross ALOT of lines and has a lot of stuff to answer for but the fact of the matter is Jack saved the United States 8 times throughout this series. Everything from saving David Palmer, to preventing nuclear attacks, it all has to mean something when Jack does answer for his crimes.

Jack is a tragic character no doubt, but as a tv show, it just would have been nice to get a little little, bit of peace for Jack in the end. Then again the 24 story isnt over and they might end up doing it in the movies.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Debatable. The Russians wouldn't have a leg to stand on in the global theater. Not when the Russian President has been implicated as being behind the assassination of Hassan.

If Jack had just killed the politician who they can prove was involved then I'd agree, but he massacred a whole bunch of general Russian service agents.

He's the former Secretary of Defense. Probably not too hard to make that stick if he wanted to.

Maybe but Jack was pretty well in with the actual President at the time.

Renee in Season 8 was really just Jack in Season 2. It really didn't feel right for her character based on what had been set up before.

Of course, that's just a result of them trying to undo everything that made Season 7 good.

Yeah they rewrote history to get her in the season in a way, the mistake did lead to some good stuff though, but I think with the end of season 7 they made the error of having her snap.

So, what would be more shocking on the most shocking television show?

Not so much shocking as negating one of the series' strongest themes.

And now you're talking about how to end it. The question is what to do with Jack when there's nothing left to sacrifice for.

Then he dies or given the current storyline he goes to a federal prison.

It's not like I've written it out or something, but he pretty much has to come to either Audrey or Kim's aide. They're the only things that he would respond to anymore. After whatever plot is resolved, you can do pretty much anything with them. They live together, disappear, heck you could even kill them both. The point is that then you've resolved his character. He might be hesitant to see Audrey, but he'd get over it. Again, in that case, SHE deserves it more than he does.

I'm not sure deserve fits into the 24 world, most characters have come to painful endings in the shows run, plus resolution for Jack is to not be hunted by the US anymore since it's his country he loves the most.

 

[Kingfish]

If Jack had just killed the politician who they can prove was involved then I'd agree, but he massacred a whole bunch of general Russian service agents.

In the grand scheme of 24's world politics, a few secret service agents aren't going to be a big deal. After Taylor exposes them, you're talking about a country that's got huge internal and external issues to deal with. Would they try to covertly get Jack? Probably. But they wouldn't have the leverage or credibility to be making that demand for quite a while.

Maybe but Jack was pretty well in with the actual President at the time.

With Daniels? Did they ever even speak?

Yeah they rewrote history to get her in the season in a way, the mistake did lead to some good stuff though, but I think with the end of season 7 they made the error of having her snap.

Oh, her acting was great. It just genuinely seemed like they were trying to erase Season 7 (ignoring the repercussions of Alan Wilson, ignoring the whole Jack dying thing, Taylor's morals, and changing Renee around).

Not so much shocking as negating one of the series' strongest themes.

You shouldn't be a slave to it though.

Then he dies or given the current storyline he goes to a federal prison.

Or he goes off to live quietly somewhere. I just don't agree with you that his ending has to be dark in order to be effective.

I'm not sure deserve fits into the 24 world, most characters have come to painful endings in the shows run, plus resolution for Jack is to not be hunted by the US anymore since it's his country he loves the most.

It's a possibility. Which is good. I'm glad they can really go a number of different ways and not have it be predictable.

 

[omid17]

would be cool if they were still after Jack in the movie

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm almost finished with Season 3 of my summer 24 marathon.

Honestly it's disappointing that they killed off Michelle in Season 5. She really came into her own in Season 3.