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If Angel sides with the Hulk, will that brand him an enemy of the United States?
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...they can freeze all his accounts. 
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All known mutants were already registered after M-Day.
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Warren's had some ****ty costumes in his day.
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Angel's costumes rocked. The only one that wasnt so great was teh Champions one. Alot of those costumes listed are variations of the same thing
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which one? red, blue or do you have no preference
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Announced at today's Mondo Marvel Panel at WizardWorld: Philadelphia, writer Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa and artist Adam Pollina are teaming up to chronicle the early days of Warren Worthington III aka Angel/Archangel in Angel: Revelations, scheduled to be release later this year.
Since breaking into the comics scene in 2004, Sacasa's name has graced the covers of such titles as Marvel Knights 4, Nightcrawler, Sensational Spider-Man, and some of the artists that he's worked with include Steve McNiven, Darick Robertson, Angel Medina, Clayton Crain, and Lee Weeks.
For those who enjoyed his run on X-Force in the 1990's, Angel: Revelations could very well signal Pollina's second coming.
The creators swung by for a quick chat about the project.
Newsarama: So, Roberto, what is this project about? Has it got to do with one of the original X-Men member, Warren Worthington III aka Archangel? Or the other Angel, who's Beak's wife? Or Thomas Halloway instead?
Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa: The mini-series focuses on Warren Worthington III and is a re-telling and a (slight) re-imagining of his origin story. Really, its an expansion of the origin that was a back-up feature in X-men #54, which showed us Warren being sent to a boarding school, his wings developing, the first time he used his powers to help people, etc. But that was a five-page story and this is five issues, so the canvas is a lot, lot broader. In Angel: Revelations, we get to meet the other people in Warrens universe at that time, not just his family, but his teachers, his classmates, his girlfriend, his rival, everyone at his school. And we get to see how a teenager would dealreally dealwith the fact that hes slowly growing wings. Psychologically, emotionally, even spiritually, a bit. We get to dig deep and go a lot darker, too, which is nice. (Seriously darker, wait until you see the guy who comes gunning for Warren, a zealot called the Hunter, whom we meet in the first issues first few pages Scary, scary guy )
NRAMA: Without spoiling it for the readers, can you tease about what it's going to reveal? How will it impact the character, and the people (and universe) around him?
RAS: Well, like I said, this is Warrens origin, chronicling the time in his life during which his wings first appeared (as stubs, like in the X-Men 3 movie), his efforts to hide his mutation, and his ultimate acceptance of the wingsbut it doesnt treat the characters as if they were super heroes or even super heroes in training. Because Angel: Revelations is set in this sort of bubble, this isolated prep school, this hot-house environment (hello, teenagers in heat!), and we dont really hear a lot from the outside world, in terms of other super heroes and mutants, etc. So basically we have this kid whos among the richest, most popular, most handsome students at St. Joes (the school) and hes terrified because he doesnt know whats happening to his body. Is he becoming a bird? A monster? A literal, biblical angel? He doesnt know. All he knows is that hes alone and he has to hide whats happening to him Which gets more and more complicated, especially once his wings are fully formed
NRAMA: How did the idea for Angel: Revelations come about? Did you pitch the idea to Marvel or did they come to you with this?
RAS: Warren Simons, my editor on Sensational Spider-Man and Marvel Knights 4 e-mailed me a panel from the original back-up storythe one where Warren wakes up and finds a feather on his pillowand said: You should do something with this And sometimes, pitches take weeks to get right (if you ever get them right) and sometimes everything comes together all at once, which is what happened in this case. Just from that one panel, I thought: Revisit Warrens origin as an M. Night Shyamalan movieone of the early onesand have the mini-series cover Warrens entire last year in prep school, so we see him at various points during his metamorphosis. (In fact, originally, the mini-series was gonna be called Angel: Senior Year, a play on the Year One mini-series that used to come out all the time ) Then I gave Warren a golden-boy rival whos bad-to-the-bone, a girlfriend whos even worse, a best friend whos going through his own troubles, and the world just kept expanding from there
NRAMA: How did the both of you team up on Angel: Revelations?
RAS: Again, blame or thank my editor Warren Simons. He sent me a bunch of Adams artwork, I loved it (of course), and Warren said, Lets all have lunch, and we went to this delicious Chinese place near the Marvel officesboth Adam and I are New Yorkersand we started talking about the kind of series we wanted to do and what we wanted it to look like, and I think Adam and I realized we were both interested in telling a very different kind of super hero story. We realized also, I think, that we both wanted to stretch. In terms of what wed done before and what we were itching to do next.
NRAMA: Adam, this marks your return to Marvel since your X-Force days, right? After a successful run on the title, you went on to create Big Daddy Danger in 2002 and ROMP in 2004. What have you been up to since then?
Adam Pollina: Dude, I don't know [how] much time you have, but man have I been around. A lot, and I mean a lot, has transpired since my departure from comics. From music videos to video games, feature films to animated series, I've designed them all. Loved them all, and still do.
But after many years, and many different titles I rediscovered being simply, an artist.
NRAMA: Would you mind refreshing us on the works that you'd done outside of the comics industry in the last few years?
AP: Once again, thank you for your interest. I will try to be succinct... but you did ask. Over these years, I've still had the extreme good fortune of getting paid to draw and design, though not for comics.
For Stan Winston, I did key character designs of the Terminatrix in Terminator III. For video games, my designs have been used in MBA Street 2, James Bond: Golden Eye, Def Jam: Vendetta Wrestling, and God of War.
Most recently for Sony Activision, I completed creating all the physical proportions and body types, as well as establish the overall aesthetic for the characters in an upcoming PlayStation III Marvel Fighter Game. I can talk no more about that.
And still ongoing, I'm designing, and overseeing a full length animated feature for the Manchester United Sports Franchise. It's actually really cool, too.
But, also equally as important....
You mentioned ROMP, which was pretty much the last comic work I did. Believe it or not, that book was not initially intended to be published. The images within are actually storyboards I drew for myself.
I got tired of selling ideas in Hollywood, getting a paycheck and a pat on the back, just to watch my babies get shelved, canned, or completely distorted beyond recognition. It's a common enough story.
So with ROMP, I decided to put down the pencil, and pick up the camera. ROMP was a personally financed live-action short that I wrote and directed. As fate would have it, that 10min. short film was seen by a record exec. I edited down my short into a 3min. music video, "Enemy" for the band Sevendust. Music video reps. found me shortly after, and I began working on music videos My Morning Jacket, FischerSpooner, Elkland, and the Blue Van to name a few.
My friend, I've been busy.
NRAMA: Oh, yes, you have. So, have you been keeping yourself up-to-date on what's been happing in the Marvel U with House of M, Civil War, the death of Captain America, and all that? What's it like to be entering the world of the X-Men again, only this time they're looking at extinction at their doorsteps with each passing day...
AP: Ben, after such a long hiatus, I am only now catching myself up properly with all that has transpired. I truly feel like I'm rediscovering a lost friend. It's wonderful.
NRAMA: Welcome back then! There you have it. An official welcome back to the comic book industry. What made you decide to come back to Marvel?
AP: I must say it is for many different reasons, that I find myself here at Marvel once more. Not the least of which is drawing. Marvel is allowing me a wonderful opportunity to simply draw, and hopefully make art in the process. I had to first leave the comics to fully appreciate just how much creative freedom our industry allows an artist. I won't ever take that for granted.
NRAMA: You'd previously collaborated with Jeph Loeb, John Francis Moore, Terry Kavanagh... What's it like to be working with Roberto this time around? And after a few years away from the industry as a whole?
AP: I consider myself very fortunate to have worked and collaborated with these men. I am always learning, and was lucky enough to be guided further with their words.
And I must say that Roberto's work is utterly superb. Clean and sharp. After so many years away, I find it poetic that I am working on Angel's awakening.
In many ways, it is mine as well.
NRAMA: Tell us one or two things that you'd learnt about Angel (Warren Worthington III) since accepting this gig?
AP: Insight. Mr. Rich & Beautiful ain't perfect by a longshot. And he ain't too happy either. His conflict over what he is becoming and with what he has lost, has given me a strong personal connection to our pretty boy with wings. There is a lot going on beneath the surface.
NRAMA: What are you hoping to achieve with Angel: Revelations?
AP: Modestly, I have nothing to achieve. Only a hope that people enjoy the series as much as I. It's in my humble opinion, the strongest work I've done.
NRAMA: How has your art style changed over the years?
AP: After taking a hiatus from comics is when I really started drawing a lot. Though it's been many years, only now am I learning to speak confidently with a voice that is truly my own. But I am a perpetual student, and still have a lot more to learn.
I believe this is the first full B/W pages I've ever done for Marvel, and it is the most complete I've ever felt about any of my work.
I sincerely hope you like the series.
NRAMA: Do you see yourself creating and writing comics again in the near future?
AP: I would like to think so. But at present, my primary desire is simply to create the best artwork I know how. Its been a long time since I've had that luxury. And Marvel has extended me the opportunity to do just that.
NRAMA: Anything else that you guys could reveal about the project at this point in time?
RAS: Not really, just that its probably the work that Ive done for Marvel that Im proudest of. I mean, dont get me wrong, anyone would kill to write Spider-man (me included, I practically did kill), and the Fantastic Four remain my favorite characters ever, but Angel: Revelationsin terms of tone and voice and subject matter (to say nothing of Adams brilliant, jaw-dropping visuals)the whole project has come together in a really cool, spectacular way. And it also feels very different from the other things Ive done for Marvel. Like, its much less mainstream super hero (in fact, Warren never appears in costume) and much more Vertigo-esque, if that makes sense. And its nice to be working a finite series, so you can really create this world and populate and maintain it, the way a novelist does. With a set beginning, middle, and end.
http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=116747
Since breaking into the comics scene in 2004, Sacasa's name has graced the covers of such titles as Marvel Knights 4, Nightcrawler, Sensational Spider-Man, and some of the artists that he's worked with include Steve McNiven, Darick Robertson, Angel Medina, Clayton Crain, and Lee Weeks.
For those who enjoyed his run on X-Force in the 1990's, Angel: Revelations could very well signal Pollina's second coming.
The creators swung by for a quick chat about the project.
Newsarama: So, Roberto, what is this project about? Has it got to do with one of the original X-Men member, Warren Worthington III aka Archangel? Or the other Angel, who's Beak's wife? Or Thomas Halloway instead?
Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa: The mini-series focuses on Warren Worthington III and is a re-telling and a (slight) re-imagining of his origin story. Really, its an expansion of the origin that was a back-up feature in X-men #54, which showed us Warren being sent to a boarding school, his wings developing, the first time he used his powers to help people, etc. But that was a five-page story and this is five issues, so the canvas is a lot, lot broader. In Angel: Revelations, we get to meet the other people in Warrens universe at that time, not just his family, but his teachers, his classmates, his girlfriend, his rival, everyone at his school. And we get to see how a teenager would dealreally dealwith the fact that hes slowly growing wings. Psychologically, emotionally, even spiritually, a bit. We get to dig deep and go a lot darker, too, which is nice. (Seriously darker, wait until you see the guy who comes gunning for Warren, a zealot called the Hunter, whom we meet in the first issues first few pages Scary, scary guy )
NRAMA: Without spoiling it for the readers, can you tease about what it's going to reveal? How will it impact the character, and the people (and universe) around him?
RAS: Well, like I said, this is Warrens origin, chronicling the time in his life during which his wings first appeared (as stubs, like in the X-Men 3 movie), his efforts to hide his mutation, and his ultimate acceptance of the wingsbut it doesnt treat the characters as if they were super heroes or even super heroes in training. Because Angel: Revelations is set in this sort of bubble, this isolated prep school, this hot-house environment (hello, teenagers in heat!), and we dont really hear a lot from the outside world, in terms of other super heroes and mutants, etc. So basically we have this kid whos among the richest, most popular, most handsome students at St. Joes (the school) and hes terrified because he doesnt know whats happening to his body. Is he becoming a bird? A monster? A literal, biblical angel? He doesnt know. All he knows is that hes alone and he has to hide whats happening to him Which gets more and more complicated, especially once his wings are fully formed
NRAMA: How did the idea for Angel: Revelations come about? Did you pitch the idea to Marvel or did they come to you with this?
RAS: Warren Simons, my editor on Sensational Spider-Man and Marvel Knights 4 e-mailed me a panel from the original back-up storythe one where Warren wakes up and finds a feather on his pillowand said: You should do something with this And sometimes, pitches take weeks to get right (if you ever get them right) and sometimes everything comes together all at once, which is what happened in this case. Just from that one panel, I thought: Revisit Warrens origin as an M. Night Shyamalan movieone of the early onesand have the mini-series cover Warrens entire last year in prep school, so we see him at various points during his metamorphosis. (In fact, originally, the mini-series was gonna be called Angel: Senior Year, a play on the Year One mini-series that used to come out all the time ) Then I gave Warren a golden-boy rival whos bad-to-the-bone, a girlfriend whos even worse, a best friend whos going through his own troubles, and the world just kept expanding from there
NRAMA: How did the both of you team up on Angel: Revelations?
RAS: Again, blame or thank my editor Warren Simons. He sent me a bunch of Adams artwork, I loved it (of course), and Warren said, Lets all have lunch, and we went to this delicious Chinese place near the Marvel officesboth Adam and I are New Yorkersand we started talking about the kind of series we wanted to do and what we wanted it to look like, and I think Adam and I realized we were both interested in telling a very different kind of super hero story. We realized also, I think, that we both wanted to stretch. In terms of what wed done before and what we were itching to do next.
NRAMA: Adam, this marks your return to Marvel since your X-Force days, right? After a successful run on the title, you went on to create Big Daddy Danger in 2002 and ROMP in 2004. What have you been up to since then?
Adam Pollina: Dude, I don't know [how] much time you have, but man have I been around. A lot, and I mean a lot, has transpired since my departure from comics. From music videos to video games, feature films to animated series, I've designed them all. Loved them all, and still do.
But after many years, and many different titles I rediscovered being simply, an artist.
NRAMA: Would you mind refreshing us on the works that you'd done outside of the comics industry in the last few years?
AP: Once again, thank you for your interest. I will try to be succinct... but you did ask. Over these years, I've still had the extreme good fortune of getting paid to draw and design, though not for comics.
For Stan Winston, I did key character designs of the Terminatrix in Terminator III. For video games, my designs have been used in MBA Street 2, James Bond: Golden Eye, Def Jam: Vendetta Wrestling, and God of War.
Most recently for Sony Activision, I completed creating all the physical proportions and body types, as well as establish the overall aesthetic for the characters in an upcoming PlayStation III Marvel Fighter Game. I can talk no more about that.
And still ongoing, I'm designing, and overseeing a full length animated feature for the Manchester United Sports Franchise. It's actually really cool, too.
But, also equally as important....
You mentioned ROMP, which was pretty much the last comic work I did. Believe it or not, that book was not initially intended to be published. The images within are actually storyboards I drew for myself.
I got tired of selling ideas in Hollywood, getting a paycheck and a pat on the back, just to watch my babies get shelved, canned, or completely distorted beyond recognition. It's a common enough story.
So with ROMP, I decided to put down the pencil, and pick up the camera. ROMP was a personally financed live-action short that I wrote and directed. As fate would have it, that 10min. short film was seen by a record exec. I edited down my short into a 3min. music video, "Enemy" for the band Sevendust. Music video reps. found me shortly after, and I began working on music videos My Morning Jacket, FischerSpooner, Elkland, and the Blue Van to name a few.
My friend, I've been busy.
NRAMA: Oh, yes, you have. So, have you been keeping yourself up-to-date on what's been happing in the Marvel U with House of M, Civil War, the death of Captain America, and all that? What's it like to be entering the world of the X-Men again, only this time they're looking at extinction at their doorsteps with each passing day...
AP: Ben, after such a long hiatus, I am only now catching myself up properly with all that has transpired. I truly feel like I'm rediscovering a lost friend. It's wonderful.
NRAMA: Welcome back then! There you have it. An official welcome back to the comic book industry. What made you decide to come back to Marvel?
AP: I must say it is for many different reasons, that I find myself here at Marvel once more. Not the least of which is drawing. Marvel is allowing me a wonderful opportunity to simply draw, and hopefully make art in the process. I had to first leave the comics to fully appreciate just how much creative freedom our industry allows an artist. I won't ever take that for granted.
NRAMA: You'd previously collaborated with Jeph Loeb, John Francis Moore, Terry Kavanagh... What's it like to be working with Roberto this time around? And after a few years away from the industry as a whole?
AP: I consider myself very fortunate to have worked and collaborated with these men. I am always learning, and was lucky enough to be guided further with their words.
And I must say that Roberto's work is utterly superb. Clean and sharp. After so many years away, I find it poetic that I am working on Angel's awakening.
In many ways, it is mine as well.
NRAMA: Tell us one or two things that you'd learnt about Angel (Warren Worthington III) since accepting this gig?
AP: Insight. Mr. Rich & Beautiful ain't perfect by a longshot. And he ain't too happy either. His conflict over what he is becoming and with what he has lost, has given me a strong personal connection to our pretty boy with wings. There is a lot going on beneath the surface.
NRAMA: What are you hoping to achieve with Angel: Revelations?
AP: Modestly, I have nothing to achieve. Only a hope that people enjoy the series as much as I. It's in my humble opinion, the strongest work I've done.
NRAMA: How has your art style changed over the years?
AP: After taking a hiatus from comics is when I really started drawing a lot. Though it's been many years, only now am I learning to speak confidently with a voice that is truly my own. But I am a perpetual student, and still have a lot more to learn.
I believe this is the first full B/W pages I've ever done for Marvel, and it is the most complete I've ever felt about any of my work.
I sincerely hope you like the series.
NRAMA: Do you see yourself creating and writing comics again in the near future?
AP: I would like to think so. But at present, my primary desire is simply to create the best artwork I know how. Its been a long time since I've had that luxury. And Marvel has extended me the opportunity to do just that.
NRAMA: Anything else that you guys could reveal about the project at this point in time?
RAS: Not really, just that its probably the work that Ive done for Marvel that Im proudest of. I mean, dont get me wrong, anyone would kill to write Spider-man (me included, I practically did kill), and the Fantastic Four remain my favorite characters ever, but Angel: Revelationsin terms of tone and voice and subject matter (to say nothing of Adams brilliant, jaw-dropping visuals)the whole project has come together in a really cool, spectacular way. And it also feels very different from the other things Ive done for Marvel. Like, its much less mainstream super hero (in fact, Warren never appears in costume) and much more Vertigo-esque, if that makes sense. And its nice to be working a finite series, so you can really create this world and populate and maintain it, the way a novelist does. With a set beginning, middle, and end.
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God the artwork.
This is from the same guy I thought did a wonderful job on X-Force?
Uhhh...I wait until I read the reviews
This is from the same guy I thought did a wonderful job on X-Force?
Uhhh...I wait until I read the reviews
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That art is a bit meh. I dont like his new style.God the artwork.
This is from the same guy I thought did a wonderful job on X-Force.
Uhhh...I wait until I read the reviews
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when did he ever wear the classic red/white costume with the yellow boots/gloves? Has he ever?. Also when did he wear this look? I really love it. It reminds me of his Evolution look
THat was hi Avenging Angel Costume....he wore it as a Solo Crime Fighter before he joined the X-men....I imagine we'll see it in the upcoming mini.,.....which BTW I think I hate the art on.
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