The Amazing Spider-Man The Official ASM THEATRICAL TRAILER Thread! - Part 6

[Whiskey Tango]

I've made the Elseworlds comparison for years but it never seems to take.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I go by a case by case criteria when it comes to adapting characters and stories, you don't change the origin of Spider-man like that, and then get to tell me it's the same character with any conviction.
If you don't understand why, then you don't understand the origin, or the journey of Spider-man's character.

edit: the haters are just gonna have to suck it up. =)

Except it is the same character. Not sure why you're so adamant on this.

As KRIM said, changes are to be expected with something like this. If I wanted to see a storyline from a comic book done perfectly and 100% faithfully... I'd read the comic book that that storyline was in.

Substitute the wrestling thing with Peter's antics outside of a wrestling arena (the sunglasses, vigilante Spidey) in this movie and the origin is still basically the same.

Peter wrestling when Ben's alive: misuse of his powers

Peter as a vigilante when Ben's alive: misuse of his powers, he's only beating thugs up simply because he can.

Now, shall we all move on?

 

[Victarion]

I've made the Elseworlds comparison for years but it never seems to take.

I get your meaning completely. I'm interested in seeing why peter decides to do the vigilante stuff.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Except it is the same character. Not sure why you're so adamant on this.

As KRIM said, changes are to be expected with something like this. If I wanted to see a storyline from a comic book done perfectly and 100% faithfully... I'd read the comic book.

Substitute the wrestling thing with Peter's antics outside of a wrestling arena (the sunglasses, vigilante Spidey) in this movie and the origin is still basically the same. Now, shall we all move on?

Agreed.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Except it is the same character. Not sure why you're so adamant on this.

As KRIM said, changes are to be expected with something like this. If I wanted to see a storyline from a comic book done perfectly and 100% faithfully... I'd read the comic book.

Substitute the wrestling thing with Peter's antics outside of a wrestling arena (the sunglasses, vigilante Spidey) in this movie and the origin is still basically the same. Now, shall we all move on?

No, it's not, and you know it Troy, accept it, move on and accept the true Spider-man into your life, haha.

 

[KRIM]

I go by a case by case criteria when it comes to adapting characters and stories, you don't change the origin of Spider-man like that, and then get to tell me it's the same character with any conviction.
If you don't understand why, then you don't understand the origin, or the journey of Spider-man's character.

Right. So again, this was never about source fidelity. Rather what coincides with personal interpretations of the lore, and the willingness to delve beyond what's written on the page to explore new perspectives.

Degrees of sensitivity. Everyone has a different value.

 

[VenomSpawn]

how come the official picture thread doesnt have HD screencaps?

Someone made another thread for screencaps.

 

[Anno_Domini]

You have to also look at it this way....it doesn't seem Ben and May are struggling for cash, and that's what should be the reason Peter decides to wrestle anyways instead of buying a car to impress Mary Jane as in Spider-Man, where, in this film, he's either already or slowly becoming the boyfriend to Gwen and doesn't need to impress her.

Both options are out of the window, so becoming a wrestler for one night isn't necessary and the other route of him just fighting crime in a mask and sunglasses makes more sense.

 

[Troy_Parker]

No, it's not, and you know it Troy, accept it, move on and accept the true Spider-man into your life, haha.

Did you even read what I said?

EDIT:

"Peter wrestling when Ben's alive: misuse of his powers

Peter as a vigilante when Ben's alive: misuse of his powers, he's only beating thugs up simply because he can."

It's the same thing. Misuse. Of. His. Powers.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Right. So again, this was never about source fidelity. Rather what coincides with personal interpretations of the lore, and the willingness to delve beyond what's written on the page to explore new perspectives.

Degrees of sensitivity. Everyone has a different value.

Type up all the fancy footwork posts you want Krim, it is what it is, this 'Spider-man' is basically the story of someone else getting those type of powers, as i was saying like a 'What if?', 'What if someone else was Spider-man?' story. But after all is said and done, the true Spider-man is the one from Amazing Fantasy 15, that is the character's story that struck a chord with comic-book fans, that led to an unprecedented amount of fan-mail, which led to him getting his own book, and fed the ethos of the character that made millions of people love the character and become one of the most popular superheroes in existence.
Put it this way, if they had done the origin of a regular kid who gets superpowers and then decides to become a vigilante, like this new movie, there probably would be no more spider-man, AF15 wouldn't have got all those fan mail letters that led to him getting his own book

 

[SpideyFan866]

Did you even read what I said?

EDIT:

"Peter wrestling when Ben's alive: misuse of his powers

Peter as a vigilante when Ben's alive: misuse of his powers, he's only beating thugs up simply because he can."

It's the same thing. Misuse. Of. His. Powers.

Sigh, people.

Anyways, Agreed.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Type up all the fancy footwork posts you want Krim

Someone's mad that they can't use big words.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Did you even read what I said?

EDIT:

"Peter wrestling when Ben's alive: misuse of his powers

Peter as a vigilante when Ben's alive: misuse of his powers, he's only beating thugs up simply because he can."

It's the same thing. Misuse. Of. His. Powers.

nope, PP says he is trying to do something the police can't, he's just become like any other regular superhero with a not so interesting origin, who gets powers, and then tries to be a superhero right away.

 

[Troy_Parker]

nope, PP says he is trying to do something the police can't, he's just become like any other regular superhero with a not so interesting origin, who gets powers, and then tries to be a superhero right away.

But that works within the context of the movie and what he's doing. You still haven't addressed my points on how Peter wrestling and beating people up just because he can are the same things. Which I'll repeat, they're a misuse of power.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Or the factor of Peter, WITH powers, is wanting to go into a wrestling promotion, which is FAKE, when he can actually hurt somebody.

Bogus.

 

[KRIM]

Type up all the fancy footwork posts you want Krim,

Nothing fancy about it. You basically agreed by saying you take it on a "case-by-case" basis. Which indicates there is no universal rule in determining the quality of faithfulness versus alteration. Thus, this isn't about fidelity. That's all I was pointing out.

it is what it is, this 'Spider-man' is basically the story of someone else getting those type of powers, as i was saying like a 'What if?', 'What if someone else was Spider-man?' story. But after all is said and done, the true Spider-man is the one from Amazing Fantasy 15, that is the character's story that struck a chord with comic-book fans, that led to an unprecedented amount of fan-mail, which led to him getting his own book, and fed the ethos of the character that made millions of people love the character and become one of the most popular superheroes in existence.

Put it this way, if they had done the origin of a regular kid who gets superpowers and then decides to become a vigilante, like this new movie, there probably would be no more spider-man, AF15 wouldn't have got all those fan mail letters that led to him getting his own book

Trust me when I say I know your position more than you will ever know. The most time and thought I ever devoted to the internet, involved ranting (for months) against a change I didn't personally take kindly to in film.

But I never was unaware that at the core of those numerous discussions was really just "I like this, look how open-minded I am" and "I don't like this, look at the comics". What's funny is that most posters here have been on both sides and aren't even cognizant of it. That's how I know much of this is a farce.

I'm a batfan first and foremost. From the character's inception until now, I'm part of the generation that is in its eleventy-billionth iteration of the same basic character and premise. Since I am not a big fan of the first and original creation, it would be highly hypocritical of me to chastise anyone that didn't agree with my own vision of the property that is as unfaithful to an opposing interpretation, as the rest. This applies to most comic book franchises.

I would expect this "true fan" BS to die past any fanboy's adolescence.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

You guys can do yourselves a favor and just ignore Bum, itll save you alot of time and frustration.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

But that works within the context of the movie and what he's doing. You still haven't addressed my points on how Peter wrestling and beating people up just because he can are the same things. Which I'll repeat, they're a misuse of power.

nope, it is you who have not addressed the petinant points I made in my initial posts concerning this, i *have* already addressed all of this...

ie the true original Peter Parker/Spider-man was an unpopular kid who was estranged from the social scene of his peers, and never got the girl...that is why he used his powers for fame and fortune when he got them, in AF15 with the wrestling and tv stardom, and in SM1 with the wrestling to win money to woo mj....and then he learns to be a hero and accept responsibility once he lets the pursuit of fortune get in the way of justice, and someone close to him is killed as a result.
Also, he only gets the girl and becomes a more social person, *once* he has got the powers and accepted his superhero role.

in this one, it seems to be that once he gets his powers, he pretty much right away decides to use his powers to fight criminals, by 'trying to do something the police can't'.
Whether or not he also tries to make a buck from wrestling is besides the point, he's also already decided to become a crimefighter too.

the origin is now very different
the character's journey is different
the character is different...

 

[Anno_Domini]

You guys can do yourselves a favor and just ignore Bum, itll save you alot of time and frustration.

He tried to flame me for using ****** when speaking about Sandman in Spider-Man 3 and making it seem like I was comparing him to someone who's actually mentally challenged.

The bum dude just likes to argue and get the worse out of people.

 

[roach]

are we really debating how faithful a movie is by a trailer????

 

[Mysterioman]

nope, it is you have not addressed the petinant points I made in my initial posts concerning this, i *have* already addressed all of this...

ie the true original Peter Parker/Spider-man was an unpopular kid who was estranged from the social scene of his peers, and never got the girl...that is why he used his powers for fame and fortune when he got them, just as in AF15 with the wrestling and tv stardom, and in SM1 with the wrestling to win money....and then he learns to be a hero and accept responsibility once he lets the pursuit of fortune get in the way of justice, and someone close to him is killed as a result.
Also, he only gets the girl and becomes a more social person, *once* he has got the powers and accepted his superhero role.

in this one, it seems to be that once he gets his powers, he pretty much right away decides to use his powers to fight criminals, by 'trying to do something the police can't'.
Whether or not he also tries to make a buck from wrestling is besides the point, he's also already decided to become a crimefighter too.

the origin is now very different
the character's journey is different
the character is different...

Who cares? The origin is A BIT different. Same concept. Same Peter, maybe a few background changes.


Drop it. Seriously. Who cares? The movie will probably be good.

 

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