Civil War The Official Captain America 3 News & Speculation Thread

[Suzanne78]

I'm not going to hate on RDJ for getting paid. Good for him.

I'll say what I've said on my beloved BvS boards, I don't see any reason to get my panties in a twist right now. Unless I read that RDJ is just completely taking over the film in reviews I will not assume that. Others are free to assume that of course but I do not.

Right. Just as I won't assume that this decision was made reactionary to BvS. It sounds like, from everything that's been said, that CW was always in the cards. Feige loves that story, and RDJ was always in the initial script.

Who knows? If he does take on the role as Cap's foil in the movie, maybe it would be best to have him in the movie on a more expanded basis. If they can make it work without losing focus on Steve Rogers himself, then… THUMBS UP!

I really don't want to kvetch about the details of the plot. We have no idea what it'll be about. I am nearly 99.9% convinced, through little evidence of my own, that Bucky will play a part in the rift between Rogers and Stark though.

 

[SpideyFan866]

All these new developments are making me very unhappy.

You mean to tell me that after having produced arguably your studio's best film who's leading character's profile and popularity on film is on the rise you choose to throw in another character that will undoubtedly take away from his shine in his own title and to then take him away all together till who knows when. What a follow-up for Cap, he sure deserves that and it makes great sense.

Now you know how Superman fans feel.

To be fair, though........ The needs of the many, outweigh the needs the few in these cases.

Each respective universe will benefit from what these films seek to do.


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[LEVITIKUZ]

Who's the villain? Say what you will about Batman V Superman but Lex, who is a Superman villain, is the main villain of the film. Sure Batman's in it but the only characters in Batman's universe besides Bruce cast is Alfred. Super has Lois, Perry, General, Ma Kent, and rumor is Jimmy too.

Saying Iron Man, an established character with an established series, is joining Cap's 3 film for $40 million makes it sound like he will have a large role. Nothing pointed to Tony joining Cap 3. I've always felt Batman and Lex make sense for the next Supers film. Instead of 1 billionaire rebuilding Metropolis, why not 2? Wonder Woman is the only one I'm questioning her involvement.

 

[Suzanne78]

Civil War? That doesnt seem like a plot suited for a solo film. Would work better as an Avengers plot with a large ensemble cast

Well, Cap's cast is like a mini-Avengers ensemble anyways. And there are rumors about Clint coming on as well.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I don't think it is a big deal the whole screen time thing, he can take up the amount of screentime sam jackson, scarjo and
robert redford would have taken up.

 

[marcvader]

To anyone harumphing about people not wanting Iron Man in a Cap movie, yes, Cap will probably squeak by with more screentime than Tony.

But Iron Man is going to overshadow Sam and Bucky and whatever characters from Cap's actual supporting cast show up.

Well said.You get it.

 

[SlamAdams]

I'm starting to feel that way myself! Ever since that allusion to WS having some involvement in Howard Stark's death, my secret wish was for RDJ to make an appearance in Cap 3. Though I thought that unlikely given how he would basically become a "co-lead" like Black Widow in TWS.

Well then… looks like I get my wish.

And I definitely don't want to come across as antagonistic, but there's a big part of me that gets more excited, more supportive of the creative decisions being made here when others voice their concerns. Don't get me wrong, voice away! But I think the Russos have more than shown their affinity for Steve Rogers in interviews and TWS was one long love letter to the character.

Like I said before, the Civil War storyline basically puts Tony in the spot as Cap's antagonist - not outright "villain" but narrative foil. In one swoop, Marvel and Feige has not only taken care of their "villain problem" for a movie, but also may have found a fantastic (hopefully!) narrative hook for which to further continue development of Steve's character.

And what gets me even more excited is the thought that the Russos, who love Captain America so much, are possibly rumored to board Avengers 3 and 4. Which will most certainly mean Cap's role as team leader will be solidified. That is, if Cap appears in 3…. I guess the rumors have it he'll pop up in the very last Avengers movie to face Thanos.

The idea of Cap and IRon Man being at odds with each other over what to do with Winter Soldier (Cap wants to save him, Iron Man wants vengeance) could turn me around on this idea. In fact, it would be a shame not to do it.

 

[Vartha]

Either way, we need Spidey for Civil War and even if that Sinister Six film is a "soft" reboot, is anything really enough to put Spidey in the MCU and for Spidey to start off with Civil War?

I mean starting Spidey off with Civil War is a pretty big jump. Sure you could say Venom hasn't happened yet and others but I'm picturing Spidey would have to be at least a college student with MJ which means skipping over high school,the MCU not doing a Proper death of Gwen, already having 6 of his foes existing.

How would you feel if the first film of Spidey in the MCU started with him facing the Sinister Six and then having Civil War happen? It just feels a bit rushed for a new Spidey.

I think it's going to be the fallout from AOU.

I didn't think the search for Bucky was ever going to be the main story. I thought it would have been the side story with a the main story being the fight of the big evil.

The first draft for this movie was done months ago and the Russos have been teasing about it since the promotion for the Cap DVD and Evans has said he knew everything that would happen in Cap 3 (with a big knowing smile) when promoting his movie at TIFF. Add in all of RDJ saying he was in negotiations but not for Iron Man 4 and well ...

I'm so conflicted. It could be AWESOME if it was Civil War written right - aka much better than the comics - but I don't want Cap to die and I don't want him tonot be in Avengers 3. But maybe this break between movies will get Chris to extend his contract past Avengers 4. He's been pretty much making Marvel films almost non stop since he signed on with only 2012 off and then there was still Avengers promotion.

Will Avengers 3 and 4 take up both the May 2018 and 2019 dates or will it be spaced farther part? Will the Russos really direct both and will Whedon still write or at least co-write them?

I'm thinking more than one event starts it all tho, and Sony can still do the Sinister Six too.
Say the events in Spider-Man with the Sinister Six, and say the Speedball disaster from the comics that Start the 616 Civil War as a finale on AoS this year, could certainly help.

 

[SlamAdams]

To anyone harumphing about people not wanting Iron Man in a Cap movie, yes, Cap will probably squeak by with more screentime than Tony.

But Iron Man is going to overshadow Sam and Bucky and whatever characters from Cap's actual supporting cast show up.

But that's a possibility with any villain.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I'm starting to feel that way myself! Ever since that allusion to WS having some involvement in Howard Stark's death, my secret wish was for RDJ to make an appearance in Cap 3. Though I thought that unlikely given how he would basically become a "co-lead" like Black Widow in TWS.

Well then… looks like I get my wish.

And I definitely don't want to come across as antagonistic, but there's a big part of me that gets more excited, more supportive of the creative decisions being made here when others voice their concerns. Don't get me wrong, voice away! But I think the Russos have more than shown their affinity for Steve Rogers in interviews and TWS was one long love letter to the character.

Like I said before, the Civil War storyline basically puts Tony in the spot as Cap's antagonist - not outright "villain" but narrative foil. In one swoop, Marvel and Feige has not only taken care of their "villain problem" for a movie, but also may have found a fantastic (hopefully!) narrative hook for which to further continue development of Steve's character.

And what gets me even more excited is the thought that the Russos, who love Captain America so much, are possibly rumored to board Avengers 3 and 4. Which will most certainly mean Cap's role as team leader will be solidified. That is, if Cap appears in 3…. I guess the rumors have it he'll pop up in the very last Avengers movie to face Thanos.

AGREE 100%

I feel there will be real Hydra villains behind the curtains of all this. Including Strucker and Crossbones, I am EXCITE.

 

[Suzanne78]

Who's the villain? Say what you will about Batman V Superman but Lex, who is a Superman villain, is the main villain of the film. Sure Batman's in it but the only characters in Batman's universe besides Bruce cast is Alfred. Super has Lois, Perry, General, Ma Kent, and rumor is Jimmy too.

Saying Iron Man, an established character with an established series, is joining Cap's 3 film for $40 million makes it sound like he will have a large role. Nothing pointed to Tony joining Cap 3. I've always felt Batman and Lex make sense for the next Supers film. Instead of 1 billionaire rebuilding Metropolis, why not 2? Wonder Woman is the only one I'm questioning her involvement.

I do think you're jumping to conclusions here.

If the main inspiration for Cap 3's plot is CW, then it probably is safe to assume that Tony will play the role of main "antagonist" in the film. Who knows how the plot and how Tony and Steve will develop from there. I'm waiting on more details about the movie, and I'll go see the movie myself, before worrying about anything.

Also, I'd say that there's a very strong thematic element running through Steve's movies about Tony Stark. His dad was introduced in the first one, there are allusions to WS killing Howard and Maria in the second one, and Howard and Edwin Jarvis plays a huge role in Agent Carter. So a lot of things pointed to Tony eventually showing up in Cap 3.

What I want to know is… how many days did TWS shoot? Was is 60+ days? Because if so, and RDJ is shooting for 40 or so days, that's not too alarming.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Right. Just as I won't assume that this decision was made reactionary to BvS. It sounds like, from everything that's been said, that CW was always in the cards. Feige loves that story, and RDJ was always in the initial script.

Who knows? If he does take on the role as Cap's foil in the movie, maybe it would be best to have him in the movie on a more expanded basis. If they can make it work without losing focus on Steve Rogers himself, then… THUMBS UP!

I really don't want to kvetch about the details of the plot. We have no idea what it'll be about. I am nearly 99.9% convinced, through little evidence of my own, that Bucky will play a part in the rift between Rogers and Stark though.

When I saw that you had posted, I was like, what does Suzanne think? And now I have my answer.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I do like the idea of Cap and Tony looking for Bucky with Cap wanting to save his friend and Tony wanting revenge...

But the rumor of

Spoiler

Iron Man retiring after Age of Ultron due to what Ultron does

Makes it sound too soon for Iron Man to return unless it's just Tony being involved.

 

[Suzanne78]

When I saw that you had posted, I was like, what does Suzanne think? And now I have my answer.

Hah!

At first I was like OMGWTFBBQ?!?! But then I stopped and thought about it some more, and I think this could be exquisitely done, especially by the Russos, who I know love Steve Rogers. That's all I care about in a Captain America movie, to be honest; focus on Steve.

The rest, I hope, falls into place t:

 

[SlamAdams]

I do like the idea of Cap and Tony looking for Bucky with Cap wanting to save his friend and Tony wanting revenge...

But the rumor of

Spoiler

Iron Man retiring after Age of Ultron due to what Ultron does

Makes it sound too soon for Iron Man to return unless it's just Tony being involved.

If they go the Winter Soldier route, tracking down his father's killer isn't a good enough reason to return from retirement?

 

[Vartha]

If they go the Winter Soldier route, tracking down his father's killer isn't a good enough reason to return from retirement?

That's a point I forgot about

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I mean in IM3 we had Iron Man sorta retire blowing up his suits. He likely comes back for Age of Ultron plus the new Age of Ultron rumor and then he comes back for Cap 3.

It's like Iron Man is the Brett Farve of superheroes.

 

[BETArayBill]

I love Chris Evans as cap and RDJ as iron man so im happy to see them both going at it I don't get the complaints about Downey taking over the movie it's a captain america movie he's the main character.

 

[Suzanne78]

I mean in IM3 we had Iron Man sorta retire blowing up his suits. He likely comes back for Age of Ultron plus the new Age of Ultron rumor and then he comes back for Cap 3.

It's like Iron Man is the Brett Farve of superheroes.

No, he's the Michael Corleone

 

[Havok83]

Well, Cap's cast is like a mini-Avengers ensemble anyways. And there are rumors about Clint coming on as well.

No. Featuring 2 members is insufficient for a story like CW. The scope of that is huge and spans the entire superhero community. It needs all the Avengers and several new more minor characters. Thats inadequate for a solo film starring Captain America and if they try to do that it would be a disservice to him

 

[Suzanne78]

No. Featuring 2 members is insufficient for a story like CW. The scope of that is huge and spans the entire superhero community. It needs all the Avengers and several new more minor characters. Thats inadequate for a solo film starring Captain America and if they try to do that it would be a disservice to him

But we've also discussed changing certain aspects of the CW story. It likely won't be about superhero registration. Civil War only refers to the rift between Tony and Steve… maybe Steve and the US government.

What I think will play a part is the fallout from AoU plus what to do about Bucky Barnes.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/r...ain-america-3-civil-war-exclusive-1201312229/

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Hah!

At first I was like OMGWTFBBQ?!?! But then I stopped and thought about it some more, and I think this could be exquisitely done, especially by the Russos, who I know love Steve Rogers. That's all I care about in a Captain America movie, to be honest; focus on Steve.

The rest, I hope, falls into place t:

It's really unexpected news to me but I agree, as long as Rogers is the focus and the story and direction are good like they were in Winter Soldier, I'm fine with Downey being there.

 

[Suzanne78]

I'm really, really interested in seeing Evans and Downey play off of one another though.

A well-done, Cap-focused Civil War movie could be amazing.

 

[JOE]

Let's just all join hands in a circle and sing Kumbaya. Forget about who gets more screen time. Remember, it's a Captain America movie with Iron-Man in it. This reminds me of all the Superman fans uneasy about Batman stealing the spotlight lol. Embrace the fact that the movie is going to be 10x more bada** now.