Civil War The Official Captain America: Civil War News & Speculation Thread - Part 8

[Wylie Times]

I didn't get the impression, that he carried this compass with him, he just got it in the museum, it seems, and he wasn't agnsty, when he came to visit her, he was calm and happy for her lived life before that dimentia attack. He even asked Sharon for a date. When he said to Natasha that it's hard to find someone with shared life exp., he was honest and it wasn't necessarily about Peggy, it's just that it's really hard for him to find someone, who would understand him, the man out of the time. And in AoU Steve came to terms, that he wouldn't be able to live with her after the war.
Peggy really seemed to be more in love with him and she suffered more and recalled him much more in Agent Carter.

And keep in mind that Agent Carter takes place little over a year after Steve goes missing. We already know for a fact that later on Peggy met someone else, fell in love, and got married to that person.

 

[TheVision]

Ok so Peggy wasnt Steves one true love in his life then. Thanks for clearing this up for me.

 

[Rote]

And keep in mind that Agent Carter takes place little over a year after Steve goes missing. We already know for a fact that later on Peggy met someone else, fell in love, and got married to that person.

For Steve it wasn't much longer, because he was asleep all this 70 years. They could show more pining from him if they wanted, instead when he came to her, he treated her as an old friend and in the museum he wasn't mourning her more than Bucky at all.

 

[Sleiek]

I liked that line. Who says that only Tony should have funny lines? Steve has always had a dry, low-key sense of humor about life in general, and that's been shown in pretty much all of his movies.

I never said Tony is the only one who should crack jokes. You don't see me complaining about any other Steve's Humor. It's the way he delivered the line.

 

[TalismanRing]

I didn't get the impression, that he carried this compass with him, he just got it in the museum, it seems, and he wasn't agnsty, when he came to visit her, he was calm and happy for her lived life before that dimentia attack. He even asked Sharon for a date. When he said to Natasha that it's hard to find someone with shared life exp., he was honest and it wasn't necessarily about Peggy, it's just that it's really hard for him to find someone, who would understand him, the man out of the time. And in AoU Steve came to terms, that he wouldn't be able to live with her after the war.
Peggy really seemed to be more in love with him and she suffered more and recalled him much more in Agent Carter.

He was there incognito in the museum. They don't leave valuable artifacts from exhibits lying around for people to touch let alone pick up and carry around. Besides it was with him when he went down and when he was rescued so why would it be in a museum? Do you think SHIELD stripped him of his personal possessions and sent them to the Smithsonian? No, it was his personal possession and he still kept a photo of Peggy in it.

I didn't get that read from the AOU scene at all. I think it's that he knows in his heart he can't go home, not that he doesn't want to. He knows it's no longer a choice for him.

Just as he knows Peggy at 95 is no longer a choice for him, it doesn't mean he's over it or her just that he's accepted it. So he regularly visits and they talk because she's not only someone that truly knows him as no one else alive (that he knows of) knows him but because he still cares for her.

He asked Sharon on a date, after what was probably months of her being next door and after copious nagging by Nat even mentioning the nurse next door as an option. This is after two years, and it's pretty obvious his dating skills are still as rusty as ever from disuse.

As for Peggy showing more, she had 8 hours that in significant part dealt with the year after and her moving on. We didn't get those kind of scenes of Steve dealing with his feelings because there isn't the time. But we do get him and Peggy and all the small touches like the compass, his regular visits to the Smithsonian and watching a video of a young Peggy, the dance scene and his telling Bruce he was the authority on waiting too long.

People can have more than one great love in their lives, love doesn't have to be ranked as greater or lesser. But so far in this story she is not only his great love but his only love.

 

[Pecola1]

Sharon and Cap tho... I ship it.
It needs to happen in Civil War imo.

As for Peggy, I think I agree mostly with you guys: It was his first romantic relationship so therefore it was his first love, and not necessarily his love of his life. However, I think he might have had that mentality. The reason I say so is because when Natasha was trying to get him a date in TWS, he clearly was not interested in finding a date. I think he feels a bit like he should still be faithful to his old relationship, even though he knows obviously it isn't going to work out with Peggy's age. If that makes sense... He basically still had that feeling that she was "the one", similar to how some people feel after their spouse dies. Or probably more accurately after their spouse leaves them.
(The rest is VERY spoilery, don't read unless you don't care about MAJOR spoilers. I accidentally found this out in a set photo thread and regret seeing it, it has ruined a part of the Civil War movie for me.)

Spoiler

Final warning...[BLACKOUT]
I think that Peggy's death in Civil War will help break that feeling of needing to commit, and will allow Cap to freely go on with his romantic life, e.g. Sharon&Cap. I don't think Cap will have that feeling after she dies because he has lived with that feeling for a while already, and her death will not mark the beginning of that feeling, but bring closure and an end to that feeling. He will feel like he lost a good friend when she dies, not like he lost his one true love.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[TalismanRing]

I never said Tony is the only one who should crack jokes. You don't see me complaining about any other Steve's Humor. It's the way he delivered the line.

I thought it was a perfect deadpan delivery - completely fitting for Steve.

 

[Rote]

He was there incognito in the museum. They don't leave valuable artifacts from exhibits lying around for people to touch let alone pick up and carry around. Besides it was with him when he went down and when he was rescued so why would it be in a museum? Do you think SHIELD stripped him of his personal possessions and sent them to the Smithsonian? No, it was his personal possession and he still kept a photo of Peggy in it.

I didn't get that read from the AOU scene at all. I think it's that he knows in his heart he can't go home, not that he doesn't want to. He knows it's no longer a choice for him.

Just as he knows Peggy at 95 is no longer a choice for him, it doesn't mean he's over it or her just that he's accepted it. So he regularly visits and they talk because she's not only someone that truly knows him as no one else alive (that he knows of) knows him but because he still cares for her.

He asked Sharon on a date, after what was probably months of her being next door and after copious nagging by Nat even mentioning the nurse next door as an option. This is after two years, and it's pretty obvious his dating skills are still as rusty as ever from disuse.

As for Peggy showing more, she had 8 hours that in significant part dealt with the year after and her moving on. We didn't get those kind of scenes of Steve dealing with his feelings because there isn't the time. But we do get him and Peggy and all the small touches like the compass, his regular visits to the Smithsonian and watching a video of a young Peggy, the dance scene and his telling Bruce he was the authority on waiting too long.

People can have more than one great love in their lives, love doesn't have to be ranked as greater or lesser. But so far in this story she is not only his great love but his only love.

SHIELD stripped him even of his uniform and he hadn't to be incognito for the museum workers. Later he went away pretty fast from her photo in Zola's brain, when Nat was still watching and he never pulled out this compass again. He let her go.
And I'm pretty sure AoU scene was about his addiction to the war and inability to live a simple life,otherwise, what new information would we get from his vision? His regrets about Peggy was obvious already in the end of TFA. I've already pointed out all the proofs. The glimpses of the war in the dance hall in his vision were there not accidentally, this vision wasn't about his love for Peggy, he wasn't glad to see her, he kept turning away from her, he was afraid to dance with her, pay attention to what you see. She said: "The war is over, we can go home, imagine it", - and Steve can't. He even said so himself to the Stark, that he doesn't want family or stability now. Add here Ultron's words about his addiction to the war, all evidence without excludings speaking for that. He waited too long and now he doesn't want a family at all, that's the point of his words at the end of AoU.
But if Steve ends up with Sharon Carter then IN THAT CASE i'll agree, that in the end he can't move on from Peggy and has found himself a poor replacement as she's Peggy's relative.

ps. And as I said already, he came to the museum not only for Peggy but for Bucky too. And if it was his another friend, he obviously would visit him too, no big deal.

 

[TheVision]

Ok so even if Steve moves on from Peggy, will that erase the place she had for him in his life? I dont think so. No matter who he moves on with, Peggy will be the gold standard or, yes, the one true love of his life. If you disagree with that, fine but I think Im right. Whoever he hooks up with 99/100 wont be another Peggy Carter, that was a ONE TIME ONLY special relationship.

 

[TalismanRing]

SHIELD stripped him even of his uniform and he hadn't to be incognito for the museum workers. Later he went away pretty fast from her photo in Zola's brain, when Nat was still watching and he never pulled out this compass again. He let her go.
And I'm pretty sure AoU scene was about his addiction to the war and inability to live a simple life,otherwise, what new information would we get from his vision? His regrets about Peggy was obvious already in the end of TFA. I've already pointed out all the proofs.

SHIELD had his uniform but it wasn't in the Smithsonian - that was an inexact replica. His compass if it was on display would most likely be in a case behind glass and really the idea of SHIELD taking his personal items and handing over to the Smithsonian is beyond the pale even for SHIELD.

I've already discussed my interpretation of the AOU dance scene and suffice to say it doesn't match yours at all.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Ok so even if Steve moves on from Peggy, will that erase the place she had for him in his life? I dont think so. No matter who he moves on with, Peggy will be the gold standard or, yes, the one true love of his life. If you disagree with that, fine but I think Im right. Whoever he hooks up with 99/100 wont be another Peggy Carter, that was a ONE TIME ONLY special relationship.

I don't really have the belief that life works that way... I don't think you have an "only one" but i do think the people you choose to love in your life.. and who are special to you are irreplaceable. Not in the sense that you can't have the same emotion for someone else. But in that every person you love, and are close to.. be it friends, family, or lovers... are all unique.. and there won't be anyone ever that could replace them... you've got a special part in your heart for them. I think Steve can move on from Peggy and Love sharon just as much... but Peggy was always first, and he has a soft spot for her that wont ever go away... it doesn't mean anyone post Peggy will be "less than" because they arn't peggy

 

[RedRose]

There was this flowery thing I saw on Facebook one time saying a soulmate is someone who affects your life, and changes your life forever, but doesn't necessarily stick around. A life/love partner is someone you share your life with. So I like to think Peggy and Steve are soul mates, and Peggy and Sousa (or whoever she marries) life/love partners, and Steve Sharon are life/love partners.

 

[RedRose]

I don't really have the belief that life works that way... I don't think you have an "only one" but i do think the people you choose to love in your life.. and who are special to you are irreplaceable. Not in the sense that you can't have the same emotion for someone else. But in that every person you love, and are close to.. be it friends, family, or lovers... are all unique.. and there won't be anyone ever that could replace them... you've got a special part in your heart for them. I think Steve can move on from Peggy and Love sharon just as much... but Peggy was always first, and he has a soft spot for her that wont ever go away... it doesn't mean anyone post Peggy will be "less than" because they arn't peggy

I completely agree with this.

 

[Rote]

There was this flowery thing I saw on Facebook one time saying a soulmate is someone who affects your life, and changes your life forever, but doesn't necessarily stick around.

Well, in that case Steve's soulmate would be Bucky. They've known each over all their lives, and after all he was the catalyst for Steve to become CA and the First Avenger.

 

[TheVision]

I get the soulmate idea. I think both Peggy and Bucky were very important to him. One was his best friend and the other the girl that got away. We'll have to wait and see if Steve has another love after Peggy. I dont know if he'll hook up with Sharon, he doesnt seem to trust many people from the modern era.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Any idea when we might get our first teaser?

 

[ImSGirl95]

Any idea when we might get our first teaser?

Late October or early November.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I get the soulmate idea. I think both Peggy and Bucky were very important to him. One was his best friend and the other the girl that got away. We'll have to wait and see if Steve has another love after Peggy. I dont know if he'll hook up with Sharon, he doesnt seem to trust many people from the modern era.

which is why Sharon, if they finally get a decent amount of 1 on 1 time... would be excellent.... especially if she can tear down those walls...

 

[Sleiek]

Ok so even if Steve moves on from Peggy, will that erase the place she had for him in his life? I dont think so. No matter who he moves on with, Peggy will be the gold standard or, yes, the one true love of his life. If you disagree with that, fine but I think Im right. Whoever he hooks up with 99/100 wont be another Peggy Carter, that was a ONE TIME ONLY special relationship.

I agree, she was the only woman who saw him for who he is even when he was skinny. She is special. Someone Steve will think about every now and then for the rest of his life no matter who he is with.

 

[Stevie2020]

SHIELD had his uniform but it wasn't in the Smithsonian - that was an inexact replica. His compass if it was on display would most likely be in a case behind glass and really the idea of SHIELD taking his personal items and handing over to the Smithsonian is beyond the pale even for SHIELD.

I've already discussed my interpretation of the AOU dance scene and suffice to say it doesn't match yours at all.

Are you inside my head?

Lol.

That uniform would have been either carefly removed or cut off and preserved. Agreed on the museum replica. As for the compass, I would imagine when the plane went down and hope was lost, he grabbed the compass and his shield and assumed the position in which he was found frozen.

And as for the AoU vision, my interpretation is that it was about seeing the end of the war that created him and the loss of the future life that he might have had. Although ultimately I think Steve is like Forest Gumps' Lt. Dan who believed his destiny was to die on the battlefield like the Dans before him.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

isn't it just as viable that when Steve un-thawed and recouped.. that Steve donated the suit willingly ? SHIELD wouldn't of stolen it off his body.. and sent it to a museum...

he likely would have been given all the possessions they found him with... and Steve figured he'd get something new (or was told he would) when needed. Plus.. it didn't seem like a shock when steve went and grabbed his new suit in Avengers... so, it might not of been the first time he's seen it.

 

[Silvermoon]

In regards to the Smithsonian suit, personally I figured it was probably a secondary suit that Howard had held onto and at some point it got donated to the Smithsonian - whether Howard himself did it at some point before his death, or Tony did it while cleaning out his dad's stuff.

I mean, I imagine Steve had more than one suit in WWII - considering all the fighting he was doing, and those other suits had to end up with someone.

The one he was wearing when he was recovered I think was probably destroyed - the personel that found him would have been more concerned about assessing his vitals (upon realizing he was still alive) and warming him up than preserving the uniform. That thing was likely cut to pieces.

I agree that the compass he's had with him since waking up though.

 

[Ninjablade]

isn't it just as viable that when Steve un-thawed and recouped.. that Steve donated the suit willingly ? SHIELD wouldn't of stolen it off his body.. and sent it to a museum...

he likely would have been given all the possessions they found him with... and Steve figured he'd get something new (or was told he would) when needed. Plus.. it didn't seem like a shock when steve went and grabbed his new suit in Avengers... so, it might not of been the first time he's seen it.

I think he only saw the new suit after being on the helicarrier for the first time based on the fact he seemed surprised when Coulson mentioned they updated the uniform.

 

[BoredGuy]

man we need pictures or an interview or SOMETHING
this conversation has gone way passed tedious

 

[spideyboy_1111]

In regards to the Smithsonian suit, personally I figured it was probably a secondary suit that Howard had held onto and at some point it got donated to the Smithsonian - whether Howard himself did it at some point before his death, or Tony did it while cleaning out his dad's stuff.

I mean, I imagine Steve had more than one suit in WWII - considering all the fighting he was doing, and those other suits had to end up with someone.

The one he was wearing when he was recovered I think was probably destroyed - the personel that found him would have been more concerned about assessing his vitals (upon realizing he was still alive) and warming him up than preserving the uniform. That thing was likely cut to pieces.

I agree that the compass he's had with him since waking up though.

this is true