First Avenger The Official Captain America Critic's Review Thread - Part 1

[Rock Sexton]

Sorry im not into the romantic comedy style superhero movies. Im more into the serious tone, dark, mature types that dont rely on slap stick humor such as the god of thunder being shocked by some chick and he falls wiggling. thats not my style of Superhero film.

I'm more into gritty, crime drama style such as Watchmen, TDK, The Crow, Blade, etc as far as target audience. I prefer superhero movies made for those who grew up with them and not for a new audience to appreciate them. TDK was made for people who grew up 3 decades ago and could care less about the teens of today and what they find funny or not. It was more self important on the dramatic values of comic books rather than the FUN factor of them. I liked Kick Ass to be the fun it was, but it was still very brutal.

Captain america is based on a character who was designed as a punchline to the NAZI era...there is nothing supposed to be FUN about that. X men got that aspect down, Thor didnt. You felt the Nazi brutality in First Class to an extent, but in Thor i felt NO threat at all from any of the characters nor did i have a reason to root for Thor any more than for Loki. Just not my style. there were no layers and the style of filming was uninnovative

 

[Suzanne78]

One of my favorite scenes from Good Will Hunting made even better.

 

[Surfer]

Sorry im not into the romantic comedy style superhero movies. Im more into the serious tone, dark, mature types that dont rely on slap stick humor such as the god of thunder being shocked by some chick and he falls wiggling. thats not my style of Superhero film.

I'm more into gritty, crime drama style such as Watchmen, TDK, The Crow, Blade, etc as far as target audience. I prefer superhero movies made for those who grew up with them and not for a new audience to appreciate them. TDK was made for people who grew up 3 decades ago and could care less about the teens of today and what they find funny or not. It was more self important on the dramatic values of comic books rather than the FUN factor of them. I liked Kick Ass to be the fun it was, but it was still very brutal.

Captain america is based on a character who was designed as a punchline to the NAZI era...there is nothing supposed to be FUN about that. X men got that aspect down, Thor didnt. You felt the Nazi brutality in First Class to an extent, but in Thor i felt NO threat at all from any of the characters nor did i have a reason to root for Thor any more than for Loki. Just not my style. there were no layers and the style of filming was uninnovative

So, if you are only into superhero movies with a darker tone then why are you here?

Surfer

 

[Xeno]

Both Ebert and Scott were huge surprises for me this morning. I would've bet the farm on Ebert griping about another CBM and would've thought Scott/NYT would turn his nose up at it. I'll take both of them over Variety's review any day.

If the NYT had assigned Cap to Manohla Dargis, she would have savaged it. That woman hates virtually everything except obscure art house flicks. With Scott a film that is smart, funny and exciting at least has a chance of winning his praise. But that's exactly the sort of film Dargis loves to hate.

Stephen Holden, the third Times critic, is also reliably harsh on comic book movies. When he declared that he could not enjoy Spider-Man because he wasn't sexually attracted to Kirsten Dunst, I lost all respect for him as a critic. It was one of those "WTF?" moments that leads one to dismiss a critic's further output completely.

 

[C. Lee]

Sorry im not into the romantic comedy style superhero movies. Im more into the serious tone, dark, mature types that dont rely on slap stick humor such as the god of thunder being shocked by some chick and he falls wiggling. thats not my style of Superhero film.

I'm more into gritty, crime drama style such as Watchmen, TDK, The Crow, Blade, etc as far as target audience. I prefer superhero movies made for those who grew up with them and not for a new audience to appreciate them. TDK was made for people who grew up 3 decades ago and could care less about the teens of today and what they find funny or not. It was more self important on the dramatic values of comic books rather than the FUN factor of them. I liked Kick Ass to be the fun it was, but it was still very brutal.

Captain america is based on a character who was designed as a punchline to the NAZI era...there is nothing supposed to be FUN about that. X men got that aspect down, Thor didnt. You felt the Nazi brutality in First Class to an extent, but in Thor i felt NO threat at all from any of the characters nor did i have a reason to root for Thor any more than for Loki. Just not my style. there were no layers and the style of filming was uninnovative

Then stay out of the Captain America forums.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

Sorry im not into the romantic comedy style superhero movies. Im more into the serious tone, dark, mature types that dont rely on slap stick humor such as the god of thunder being shocked by some chick and he falls wiggling. thats not my style of Superhero film.

I'm more into gritty, crime drama style such as Watchmen, TDK, The Crow, Blade, etc as far as target audience. I prefer superhero movies made for those who grew up with them and not for a new audience to appreciate them. TDK was made for people who grew up 3 decades ago and could care less about the teens of today and what they find funny or not. It was more self important on the dramatic values of comic books rather than the FUN factor of them. I liked Kick Ass to be the fun it was, but it was still very brutal.

Captain america is based on a character who was designed as a punchline to the NAZI era...there is nothing supposed to be FUN about that. X men got that aspect down, Thor didnt. You felt the Nazi brutality in First Class to an extent, but in Thor i felt NO threat at all from any of the characters nor did i have a reason to root for Thor any more than for Loki. Just not my style. there were no layers and the style of filming was uninnovative

oh so you want the Adam West Batman?

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Sorry im not into the romantic comedy style superhero movies. Im more into the serious tone, dark, mature types that dont rely on slap stick humor such as the god of thunder being shocked by some chick and he falls wiggling. thats not my style of Superhero film.

I'm more into gritty, crime drama style such as Watchmen, TDK, The Crow, Blade, etc as far as target audience. I prefer superhero movies made for those who grew up with them and not for a new audience to appreciate them. TDK was made for people who grew up 3 decades ago and could care less about the teens of today and what they find funny or not. It was more self important on the dramatic values of comic books rather than the FUN factor of them. I liked Kick Ass to be the fun it was, but it was still very brutal.

Captain america is based on a character who was designed as a punchline to the NAZI era...there is nothing supposed to be FUN about that. X men got that aspect down, Thor didnt. You felt the Nazi brutality in First Class to an extent, but in Thor i felt NO threat at all from any of the characters nor did i have a reason to root for Thor any more than for Loki. Just not my style. there were no layers and the style of filming was uninnovative

So we can assume you hated Indiana Jones? Unless you're not old enough to know what that movie is.

 

[Suzanne78]

Sorry im not into the romantic comedy style superhero movies. Im more into the serious tone, dark, mature types that dont rely on slap stick humor such as the god of thunder being shocked by some chick and he falls wiggling. thats not my style of Superhero film.

I'm more into gritty, crime drama style such as Watchmen, TDK, The Crow, Blade, etc as far as target audience. I prefer superhero movies made for those who grew up with them and not for a new audience to appreciate them. TDK was made for people who grew up 3 decades ago and could care less about the teens of today and what they find funny or not. It was more self important on the dramatic values of comic books rather than the FUN factor of them. I liked Kick Ass to be the fun it was, but it was still very brutal.

Captain america is based on a character who was designed as a punchline to the NAZI era...there is nothing supposed to be FUN about that. X men got that aspect down, Thor didnt. You felt the Nazi brutality in First Class to an extent, but in Thor i felt NO threat at all from any of the characters nor did i have a reason to root for Thor any more than for Loki. Just not my style. there were no layers and the style of filming was uninnovative

 

[Hurm...]

LMAO! Man I'm getting teary-eyed after laughing that hard.


I'm glad that Capt. made it to a fresh rating. Once all the reviews are added up, it should be in the 70s territory.

 

[Raiden]

Then stay out of the Captain America forums.

Truer words have never been spoken.

 

[Suzanne78]

If the NYT had assigned Cap to Manohla Dargis, she would have savaged it. That woman hates virtually everything except obscure art house flicks. With Scott a film that is smart, funny and exciting at least has a chance of winning his praise. But that's exactly the sort of film Dargis loves to hate.

Stephen Holden, the third Times critic, is also reliably harsh on comic book movies. When he declared that he could not enjoy Spider-Man because he wasn't sexually attracted to Kirsten Dunst, I lost all respect for him as a critic. It was one of those "WTF?" moments that leads one to dismiss a critic's further output completely.

At the risk of bringing up HP again, I thought Dargis did at least love the last HP film. I knew she was a harsher reviewer for genre movies. And I remember her liking First Class earlier this year. Never bothered to look at NYT's review of GL.

Holden... yecch. That's a weird, and gross thing to say about a female lead.

I've always had a tremendous amount of respect for Scott and his reviews. He's always struck me as a fair reviewer and appreciative of all genres. I'm really glad he was able to review CA.

 

[The Lizard]

In reading the increased number of reviews on RT, I can really see the difference between those critics who "get it" about Cap and the time period the film is set in, and those who don't.

Here's a critic who gets it:
"With a dusty color scheme that evokes newsprint and cheap ink, and a production design that captures the Deco-inflected futurism of an earlier time, the movie is nostalgic without making a big fuss about it. And though there are plenty of the usual digital enhancements and overscaled effects, the pseudo-operatic grandiosity that has become a staple of the genre is mostly missing. Instead “Captain America,” like its unapologetically corny hero, is propelled by unpretentious and plucky ingenuity."
--AO Scott, New York Times.

 

[Marvin]

Seriously lighten up. I remember after TDK broke the opening weekend records someone made an animated .gif of Batman slapping Peter Parker. I thought it was funny.

I'm hella calm, did you see this place last night?
All I'm saying is if these very same people are the ones rubbing anything in in the faces of the fans in other threads that would be a funny thing.

If only the mods in the TF forums sent away naysayers as diligently as they do here it would be a different world.

 

[04nbod]

RT is advertising CAP, so let's relax on the conspiracy theory. By tomorrow it will have worked itself out and we will be looking at 80%. No need to worry though, CAP is gonna pull in 70 mill strong this weekend so who cares how "professional" critics review it.

I think its just coincidence that the bad reviews came first. The tweets are just what RT does every week '------ is opening this weekend, check the word of mouth before you hand over your cash'. And in the end, it was one day and if people are going to browse the site for the weekend its going to be today or tomorrow.

 

[Surfer]

Cap is back up to 67% on RT.

Surfer

 

[scifiwolf]

Sorry im not into the romantic comedy style superhero movies. Im more into the serious tone, dark, mature types that dont rely on slap stick humor such as the god of thunder being shocked by some chick and he falls wiggling. thats not my style of Superhero film.

I'm more into gritty, crime drama style such as Watchmen, TDK, The Crow, Blade, etc as far as target audience. I prefer superhero movies made for those who grew up with them and not for a new audience to appreciate them. TDK was made for people who grew up 3 decades ago and could care less about the teens of today and what they find funny or not. It was more self important on the dramatic values of comic books rather than the FUN factor of them. I liked Kick Ass to be the fun it was, but it was still very brutal.

Seems to me that this particular movie is a throwback to the serials enjoyed by the people who grew up 3 decades before you. What's old is new again and there's always room for both, just so long as the movies are done well and work at what they're trying to be. Guess what? These Avengers movies are working. Nolan's Batman movies are working. The X-Men movies worked. I love 'em all, so long as they're good. If you want to stick to one type of movie, and are going to do nothing but condescend to everything but, than stay out of forums where you're just going to get people off topic from friendly discussion and civil debate.

 

[shogunrua]

I think I saw a sign "do not feed the troll" around here...

 

[Suzanne78]

Another Positive from the NY Daily News. I *think* they're considered a Top Critic on RT:

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...oded_adventure_with_hear.html?r=entertainment

 

[Surfer]

I think its just coincidence that the bad reviews came first. The tweets are just what RT does every week '------ is opening this weekend, check the word of mouth before you hand over your cash'. And in the end, it was one day and if people are going to browse the site for the weekend its going to be today or tomorrow.

It seemed to most that had been monitoring it through out the day yesterday that it was more then mere coincidence. It started out in the 30% - 40% range and climbed to a little over 60. At that time there were still more positive reviews available and no negative ones that anyone could find. Then after a few hours of waiting a negative review became available and within minutes it was posted on RT. reducing the number to below 60, while the good reviews just sat. This type of process continued through out the day a few times not just once and finally ended the night with Captain America at 59%, just enough to certify him Rotten while many positive reviews just sat there for most of the day. Even the very 1st person to do a Captain America review (which was positive) was only posted after about 4 negative ones had been put on their site first.

So, it wasn't just the fact that he was in negative numbers, but the way it went down that seemed fishy. However, he is positive now, so I guess lets concentrate on that.

Surfer

 

[hatebox]

It seemed to most that had been monitoring it through out the day yesterday that it was more then mere coincidence.

It only seemed that way to people who wanted it to be higher. It'll probably finish fresh today and tomorrow, when most people who care about it in terms of deciding to see it will look at the figure.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I'm hella calm, did you see this place last night?
All I'm saying is if these very same people are the ones rubbing anything in in the faces of the fans in other threads that would be a funny thing.

If only the mods in the TF forums sent away naysayers as diligently as they do here it would be a different world.

Uhhhh we're rubbing it in the face of trolls like Godman who told us once a movie starts off rotten on RT then it stays rotten.

 

[Microchip]

It only seemed that way to people who wanted it to be higher. It'll probably finish fresh today and tomorrow, when most people who care about it in terms of deciding to see it will look at the figure.

It'll probably finish at about 150%, mirroring Steve Rogers' own life how he started at nothing in the 30%s and 40%s and then grew to be the superhuman movie he is today.

 

[Surfer]

It only seemed that way to people who wanted it to be higher. It'll probably finish fresh today and tomorrow, when most people who care about it in terms of deciding to see it will look at the figure.

I'm not saying I didn't want it to be higher (because of course I did), but I don't feel it had any influence in my ability to see things clearly. If something looks like a duck and sounds like a duck it is proably a duck. Simple as that.

Surfer

 

[Surfer]

Were back up to 68% on RT.

Surfer

 

[shinlyle]

Okay, I'm psyched for Cap! Seeing the critics love it, for the most part, and seeing that Ed Brubaker loved it, well...that's all I need to know. Also, I notice the bad reviews seem tobe by people don't "get" Cap, as another poster said. I'm taking an SUV load of people to see it on Saturday for a matinee. The only thing I'm unsure of is, 2-D or 3-D!