The Official Captain America Thread

[cerealkiller182]

I dunno, I've always loved the concept of the mantle being passed down from teacher to student. I've always wanted to see Dick Grayson become Batman, but i don't think thats ever going to happen. Thats a concept thats always been teased at in comics but has never actually happened. For once, i would love to see that concept come to fruition with Bucky becoming the new Captain America. There's so much potential in a story like that instead of having Cap just come back, take his mantle back and everything's back to normal. Thats just my opinion.

Agreed

I wouldnt care if Steve were to take it back, but it be nice to see Bucky in the suit for longer than expected

 

[Xofenroht]

America hasn't been the country steve represented since 1945, black people and other minorities aren't treated like utter garbage these days.

Yeah they still are. It's just not as out in the open as it used to be. Of course, every country has it's big bad oil stain on its history, but if you're gonna focus on that instead of the good they (such as America) are supposed to represent then yeah...America really is a different place than it was when Steve Rogers began his run. And besides, Kirby and Simon created Cap, and Kirby was no racist, so I'm sure Steve wouldn't have been either. Get where I'm going here?

 

[Czar Colossus]

I have no problem with passing the mantle. I wouldn't mind seeing Steve return in another capacity. I think he'd be a better head of S.H.E.I.L.D. than Tony. There are a great many things to do with him than just being Cap again. That new costume however, I'm still trying to get used to it.

 

[kguillou]

If Steve comes back, they should do a "Batman Beyond" sorta thing where Steve retires but still coaches Bucky from the sidelines and mentors him and teaches him how to become Captain America.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I have no problem with passing the mantle. I wouldn't mind seeing Steve return in another capacity. I think he'd be a better head of S.H.E.I.L.D. than Tony. There are a great many things to do with him than just being Cap again. That new costume however, I'm still trying to get used to it.

I like that idea of Steve as head of SHIELD. And the new costume seems more plot driven considering Buckys trying to be Cap without being Steve.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Ok now you guys are getting crazy lol. Steve being alive but not Cap should last like 8 months or so

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Steve's gotta go back to being Cap eventually. I'm just saying it'd be cool if he temporarily weren't, to allow us to see what a Steve unburdened by the responsibility of Captain America is like while simultaneously giving us more development with Bucky.

 

[Czar Colossus]

Without contradicting what I said previously, I agree that the staus quo is, with a few exceptions, the fallback position. Yeah, we're all pretty positive that in the end Steve will once again be wearing the Red, White, and Blue as long as it's a good read that's fine.
It seems that DC has less trouble with the "Passing Of The Torch" (ie. JSA, Flash,Robin,Blue Beetle, maybe Captain Marvel) than does Marvel.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Less trouble, but still plenty of trouble to go around. Several key characters in the DC universe will never be permanently replaced, just like at Marvel.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Idk if I want Bucky to get his own book when Steve takes the Cap mantle back again. I love Captain America being about Steve, Bucky, Sam, and Natasha. Those 4 need to be in the book.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

You forgot Sharon. Steve's gotta have his lady.

 

[Czar Colossus]

Less trouble, but still plenty of trouble to go around. Several key characters in the DC universe will never be permanently replaced, just like at Marvel.

True;
Superman,Batman, Wonder Woman and possibly Hal Jordan may be untouchable in the Grand Scheme.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't think Wally West is going anywhere anytime soon either. He's still got too much story left to tell, and just about everyone identifies with him. When he's written right, he's even more of an everyman than Spider-Man, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Xofenroht]

You've got a point there.

 

[kguillou]

The thing is, if Steve comes back, everything cant just go back to normal. There needs to be some sort of change. Steve has to come back as a different person. The reason why Captain America is so good right now is because Bucky is an "updated" version of what Captain America should be in 2008. As much as I love the old Cap, he was too old-fashioned and stuck in the past. I think that was part of the meaning behind his death, to say good-bye to the golden age and embrace this newer age of heroes. Anyway, my point is, if Steve does come back, he cant be the same old-fashioned Steve, he has to be fresh, new and modern, like Bucky is right now, or like Ultimate Cap.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That's your opinion. Frankly, I'd drop Captain America's comic and never look back if Steve Rogers became anything like Ultimate Cap. Steve's perfectly fine as is--that's why Bucky's trying so hard to live up to the memory of Steve's Captain America. It's not enough for Cap to just be a soldier who reflects the world as it is; he has to be an inspiration for people to strive for the way things should be.

 

[RockSP]

The only cue Cap (and Bucky Cap as well) should take from Ulti-Cap is to lose the buccaneer boots...

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Captain America is buccaneer boots.

 

[RockSP]

I'm sure there is a character somewhere called The Buccaneer...and even he hates buccaneer boots.

 

[UK_Stu]

From my memory, its only since the inception of Ultimate Cap, that 616 Steve Rodgers became a man stuck in the past, with outdated ideals and values. People seem to be getting them mixed up. Read some Captain America from the 70's or 80's - Steve was pretty well tuned to the society of the day.

That said I'm quite enjoying Bucky's run as Cap - but I'm not sure why Bucky is supposed to anymore adjusted to modern times than Steve was. Steve had been living in the present continously for years and years. Bucky was let out of his tube once or twice a year for a 'job' (as the winter soldier) and was then returned to his tube. If anything he should be "stuck in the past"

 

[Egotastic]

And Brubaker has shown that. Go read the Winter Kills one-shot.

 

[UK_Stu]

Thanks, I wasn't aware of the one shot

 

[Egotastic]

It's excellent. Bucky teams up with the Young Avengers and spends Christmas with Namor.

 

[Xofenroht]

Oh Namor...where is your ongoing? Where is the really good creative team that could make that ongoing last?

 

[CaptainCanada]

The thing is, if Steve comes back, everything cant just go back to normal. There needs to be some sort of change. Steve has to come back as a different person. The reason why Captain America is so good right now is because Bucky is an "updated" version of what Captain America should be in 2008. As much as I love the old Cap, he was too old-fashioned and stuck in the past. I think that was part of the meaning behind his death, to say good-bye to the golden age and embrace this newer age of heroes. Anyway, my point is, if Steve does come back, he cant be the same old-fashioned Steve, he has to be fresh, new and modern, like Bucky is right now, or like Ultimate Cap.

I don't see that at all; the whole point of Captain America is that he's a soldier from a bygone era. The point of this story, really, is how important he was; Bucky is also from a bygone era, he's just had a rougher transition to the present.

Certainly, the last thing we need is fascist thug Ultimate Cap.