The Official Contest of Marvels 3 Discussion Thread

[Phaedrus45]

Before we do it, could you give me a list of people who are in it...and those you asked who aren't going to do it. I want to make sure everyone I'm thinking of was asked.

 

[wiegeabo]

I'm smarter than I thought. I had already put the code in the program to print the characters as they're drafted, just had it commented out.

So, once I get all the lists formatted properly, I can run the draft anytime.

 

[Vanguard07]

So for now i just wait right? Like is there anything in particular i should be doing at this point?

 

[wiegeabo]

Ok, got the 11 lists together. Is that right, 11?

 

[JewishHobbit]

Yep, 11.

And to Phaed... in addition to the 11 who are in (I don't recall them all but they were posted a page or two back) I asked and received either a no or no answer from:

Corp (No answer)
Colossal Spoons (No answer)
AndThePickles (No answer)
ComicChick (No answer)
Random Havoc (No)
Kytrigger (deployed at the moment but wouldn't mind jumping in if someone quits later after he returns)
primemover (No)
Iceman/Psylocke (No)

 

[wiegeabo]

Powder, you have the name medium in your list. Who is that?

 

[POWdER-man]

Powder, you have the name medium in your list. Who is that?

lol sorry, just remove that. I wrote little notes and I thought I took everything out.

 

[wiegeabo]

lol. Yeah. I guess you did. I especially like Crystal manipulates four elements but weak to toxins.

 

[POWdER-man]

You should have seen my original notes...

 

[Phaedrus45]

Ok, I made two more We Want You threads, just to make sure we can't get a few other people. Lets give it a day and see if it garners any interest...then, if we don't hear anything from anyone, we can disperse characters.

 

[wiegeabo]

Perhaps you should mention this will take about 4 months?

And are we giving prep-time for battles?

 

[JewishHobbit]

I think that'd be fine. 24 hours?

 

[Vanguard07]

I have a few technical questions for how the rounds will work:

How will the location of each "fight" be decided?

If a fight that comes up has previously occured in comics, do we let that factor in? Or do we assume that they're strangers with 24 hours prep each?

Also regarding the context for the characters point of view: Is this supposed to be a random encounter or are the characters aware that they're in some sort of tournament (a la the contest between the two brothers from Marvel vs DC).

I ask because realistically the way a fight would go depends a fair bit on the answer.
In a random encounter for example, most heroes wont go all out and they'll often try to find a non-violent solution.
If they're aware that it's a life or death conflict from the get go you'll get much more serious fights.

If it is a tournament set up (to the characters) will they be aware of previous match-ups? for example in the final round will the contestants be aware of who their opponents beat to get there? will they be aware of the tactics previously employed by the opponents?

And finally: what are the conditions for victory? unconsciousness/imobilization? death? would "ring-outs" count?

 

[JewishHobbit]

I have a few technical questions for how the rounds will work:

How will the location of each "fight" be decided?

Random draw just like how we decide who is facing who. We create a list of locations equal to the number of weeks we'll have, then divying them up randomly as to now show any favortism.

If a fight that comes up has previously occured in comics, do we let that factor in? Or do we assume that they're strangers with 24 hours prep each?

All comic book experience counts. Anything a person has done before in the comics they have done before here. So you use it in your debate. You can easily say Colossus has beaten Ord in Astonishing X-Men issue 6... but then your opponant could say that this is true, but Ord would have learned from that and is more prepared now... etc. It's all built into the debates. Nothing is finalized. You'd be surprised at how many "obvious" mathes end up in an upset because someone did really well in the debate process.

Also regarding the context for the characters point of view: Is this supposed to be a random encounter or are the characters aware that they're in some sort of tournament (a la the contest between the two brothers from Marvel vs DC).

I ask because realistically the way a fight would go depends a fair bit on the answer.
In a random encounter for example, most heroes wont go all out and they'll often try to find a non-violent solution.
If they're aware that it's a life or death conflict from the get go you'll get much more serious fights.

I'm pretty sure we said before that they must act in character (so if they wouldn't go all brutal in the fight unless it reaches life and death, then they're not getting brutal until it reaches life and death) but in the end, yes, they are going in knowing they have to fight and they have to prepare to do their best.

If it is a tournament set up (to the characters) will they be aware of previous match-ups? for example in the final round will the contestants be aware of who their opponents beat to get there? will they be aware of the tactics previously employed by the opponents?

I believe we decided NO on this. Nothing carries over from previous matches (knowledge, powers, experience, wounds, etc.) Every match will be as if it's the first, unless the final votes end in a tie and there's a rematch between the same 2 character the next week. Then they'd remember the previous week's fight with their opponant (wounds and powers and such still won't carry over).

And finally: what are the conditions for victory? unconsciousness/imobilization? death? would "ring-outs" count?

All you've mentioned but Ring Outs. You could try it but it's a cheap victory and chances are won't get any votes. Both people must remain on location. No throwing anyone into the sun or teleporting them to another dimension to win. But in the end, the main condition of victory is to get more votes than your opponant. That equals the win!

 

[Vanguard07]

got it, thanks.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I am excited to see the result of the lottery. This should be fun.

 

[wiegeabo]

JH's repsonse reminded me to clarify ties.

If a match ends with a tie, then another match between the characters in the next battleground is done the next week. If that match ends in a tie, then the match is taken to Sparta's Vs thread and decided there by all the voters.

Not sure what we do if it ties there.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Do any vote there anymore?

 

[wiegeabo]

I have no idea. That's just the way we did it. I never visit that thread.

 

[POWdER-man]

Something I want to clarify regarding outside votes. Do we still allow outside votes from people not in the competition? I can understand if someone is consistently voting each match but what about the fly-by ones?

I bring this up because it reminds me of a very important vote in season one that caused a crucial match to tie, and I eventually lost in the rematch which ended up being to the winner to the whole competition. (I am referring to the Thanos/Proffesor X matchup).

If it wasn't for that one crucial outside vote at that particular time, which was their only vote throughout the season, we would have had a different winner overall and the matches would have ended up completely different.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Yeah, I think we're still accepting them provided they vote for every match that week. There really isn't anything we can do to prevent it because without allowing that then we're shutting outselves out from the rest of the hype and not encouraging the outside to want to play/participate down the road.

I just STRONGLY STRONGLY STRONGLY discourage anyone from trying to pull votes for them FROM the outside. That is still against the rules. If I do find out someone has pulled an online friend in just to vote for them just so they can try to get an easy victory I won't hesitate to put some strong discipline, up to and including removing them from the game. I'm okay with promoting people to vote in the Contest of Marvels, but to do so just so they can vote for you is ethically wrong. As I'm sure I'll say a few dozen times throughout this tournament, this is a gentleman's game and I expect it to be played like so.

 

[POWdER-man]

I don't mind outside votes, that's great to get other people voting. It just still kills me that I could have won because of it, lol.

I think to make it fair and ensure they actually read the arguments (and not going by who they like/know better), they should post at least a reason why they vote for that person.

 

[wiegeabo]

I'm down with them listing at least a basic reason why they voted. Adding that seemed to work well in the DTL.

 

[Phaedrus45]

Also, to clarify, the one time a match takes into account a previous battle in our thread is in the case of a tie. If Professor Xavier and Thanos have a battle that ends in a tie, then the rematch would let both characters know what has gone on before when having the rematch the following week.

Also, remember, that some characters don't have complete knowledge of all battles that have gone on before. There are cases where we have alternate world characters...who obviously wouldn't know what their 616 counterpart did. Or, as we pointed out, the BND Spidey might be debated against some of his battles while being married to MJ...who knows what battles he actually did now.

Another point is realize that debates take a lot into account when you choose a character. I've been thinking about Skaar...and, as we still don't know a lot about him, it might hinder you in a debate. We know Skaar gets some of his power due to his proximity to the world he lives on. What are his power levels off planet?? Just because something is in print doesn't necessarily make it viable elsewhere.

Remember, while you get prep-time, you cannot use any other characters to help you prep. If you have Mr. Fantastic, you cannot go down to a member of the Avengers and use their database. Anything you do in prep-time must be something your character would normally have access to. (For that matter, Thing cannot use devices that Reed could make for him in a battle. He'd have to have Reed's knowledge to do that.)

I think we had a pretty good list of rules at the beginning of our Season 2 Discussion thread, didn't we? I wonder if we can locate that again.

 

[JewishHobbit]

The Post

I found but haven't read it yet. I'm having a small argument with my wife over finances. She's getting ticked off that I can debate finances AND play on the hype so well simoultaneously. I'm that freakin' great. I'll read through it here shortly. I did notice the rule where you have to have at least 100 posts in order to vote. I definately want to stick with that one.