The Official Dark Avengers Thread

[TheCorpulent1]

No, but Diggle said he's going to making changes to the roster.

Maybe it'll go back to being about Songbird and the others who are genuinely trying to reform.

 

[Mr. Green]

While we're talkin covers...

Bendis posted this on his JinxWorld. Their speculation is since Spider-Man is so built, it's probably not Peter. Maybe Gargan or Brock, but I doubt that. Looks like Clint is back as Hawkeye which is cool. Ms Marvel back in her 70's outfit? They were also saying thats probably not Wolverine either because he's clean shaven, maybe his kid, Dakon? I doubt that too.

The interesting part for me is Iron Man with the star on his chest and the red, white and blue armor? I'll also be worth watching to see how Peter (if that is him) interacts with Tony again. I'm sold. can't wait to see whats up with this.

HOLY CRAP.

I can't wait to see what this is all about. I'm guessing that that's really Hawkeye and Wolvie though.

 

[shogunrua]

I've read the last thunderbolts issue...Norman resigned and disbanded the team...(looks like) they've put out Penance, Radioactive Man and songbird, which lives, from the "original" 8 Thunderbolts, only five of them. Plus, Bullseye mentions that Norman Osborn has big plans for them...so maybe
"Spider-man" = Venom
"Hawkeye" = Bullseye
"cleaned shaved Wolverine" = Swordman
" Ms Marvel" = Moostone
"Iron Patriot" = Osborn
...
now that I think of it...I'm sure this has all been discussed before...should have browsed previous pages lol

Well at least that cover looks cool

 

[SouLeSS]

Got a feeling Norman's gonna do something at the end of SI#8 that basically puts him in charge of everything and that's the "big twist" at the end.

 

[Mr. Green]

I don't know... On the one hand the T-bolts speculation is actually pretty convincing... but on the other hand I just don't think the T-bolts would dress up like Wolverine or Ms. Marvel or Hawkeye.

And I'm guessing that that's Stark or somebody Stark would lend Iron Man armor to.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm sure SHIELD's managed to get their hands on the schematics for Tony's armor by now. Not everyone in SHIELD trusts Tony and Tony's not particularly good at keeping his technology secret, after all.

 

[Mr. Green]

Yeah, I guess it could be an Iron Man knock-off.

 

[Dread]

I've read the last thunderbolts issue...Norman resigned and disbanded the team...(looks like) they've put out Penance, Radioactive Man and songbird, which lives, from the "original" 8 Thunderbolts, only five of them. Plus, Bullseye mentions that Norman Osborn has big plans for them...so maybe
"Spider-man" = Venom
"Hawkeye" = Bullseye
"cleaned shaved Wolverine" = Swordman
" Ms Marvel" = Moostone
"Iron Patriot" = Osborn
...
now that I think of it...I'm sure this has all been discussed before...should have browsed previous pages lol

Well at least that cover looks cool

That's possible.

Really am not interested in another round of "U.S. government and citizens will trust the deadliest villain over the most heroic hero". That isn't "realistic"; it's almost as farcical as some people think the Flash Museum is.

In real life, celebrities are worshiped and usually escape punishment for crimes by merely PRETENDING to be heroes. Imagine if they really were!

 

[RAMORE]

What's kind of crazy is that Iron Patriot is a ton like one done on the hype after cap was killed by a poster in fan art.

 

[Mr. Green]

That's possible.

Really am not interested in another round of "U.S. government and citizens will trust the deadliest villain over the most heroic hero". That isn't "realistic"; it's almost as farcical as some people think the Flash Museum is.

In real life, celebrities are worshiped and usually escape punishment for crimes by merely PRETENDING to be heroes. Imagine if they really were!

Don't underestimate the idiocy of the American public. And besides, it isn't as if the American public knows as much as we do about the situation as we do anyway. As shown in Ellis' T-bolts, the news shows them in a positive light and that's usually enough.

 

[Mr. Green]

What's kind of crazy is that Iron Patriot is a ton like one done on the hype after cap was killed by a poster in fan art.

Remember this? http://powet.tv/ops/iron_cap.jpg

 

[StreetWarrior]

Check out "Spider-Man's" mask. Do I see the white Venom flair around an eyeball?

I agree with Blader in that Spider-man=Venom, Hawkeye=Bullseye, and Ms. Marvel= Moonstone. They all make sense. However, with Swordsman's hatred for Norman, I don't see him wearing the Wolverine costume and ditching his "nobility". I can't see Norman being the Iron Patriot... He's too much of a showboat now. The helmet would have to be see-through and the armor would have to have the OsCorp logo all over it. I could be wrong, but it just doesn't feel right.

But, that's definitely not Logan or Stark. That I'm sure of.

Sidenote: If Blader's predictions are right, could there be a Hawkeye/Bullseye fight in the near future? That would kick balls!

 

[Mr. Green]

Some things to keep in mind... Deodato's Venom is gigantic and the swirl may be caused by lighting and Logan's son has more jagged claws and they are in a completely different configuration with one coming from his wrist.

Deodato may have drawn it this way to be more mysterious, but I think he's pretty consistent with his art so I doubt he drew the characters completely different just this once.

 

[StreetWarrior]

Those are valid points, however Deodato has shown Venom as being able to change size slightly. In issue #115, Venom is about nine feet tall and hulking after being shot in the face and falling off a rooftop. Two issues later, he's pictured at normal size strapped into a Pegasus seat.
If I recall, Venom has slight transformation powers. Nothing too severe, but can't he change size and outfit design (Gargan Venom's appearance vs. Brock Venom's appearance)

Also, does "Hawkeye's" stance seem a little off in the promo. He's standing more like a fighter than an archer.

I know absolutely nothing about Logan's son, so I really can't debate it. I'm just saying that I've been reading New Avengers since issue #1 and that just doesn't FEEL like logan. I'm almost positive that none of those "heroes" are really who they're depicted as.

Just my opinion.

 

[Mr. Green]

Yeah, you're right about that Venom thing...

Damn, there is more than meets the eye to this. Damn, Marvel! I just want to know what this all about already!

 

[kguillou]

Originally Posted by Mr. Green

Don't underestimate the idiocy of the American public. And besides, it isn't as if the American public knows as much as we do about the situation as we do anyway. As shown in Ellis' T-bolts, the news shows them in a positive light and that's usually enough.

Thats a good point, the general public is easily manipulated into believing whatever the media feeds them. And i guess if you think about, the public really doesnt know how bad some of these villains really are. Take Norman osborn for example, most of the evil stuff he's done has been between just him and Spiderman. The public doesnt know that he killed gwen stacy or killed Peter's baby etc. Norman/ Green Goblin was never the "i'll take over the world!" type of villain, he was all about personal agendas. Although he has blown up a few buildings here and there during battles with Spiderman, the public may not necessarily view him as a bad guy because they dont know about all the stuff that went on between Peter and Norman. I guess the same could be said about venom or bulleseye, those are all "personal agenda" type villains. Now someone like Dr Doom or Red Skull on the other hand, those guys would have no chance at winning the public over becuase they've tried to "take over the world" on more than a few occasions. The public knows that they're bad guys becuase they've put the world in danger several times. Villains like Norman, venom or bulleseye never really had any grand scale evil plans.

 

[fifthfiend]

The only one I'm really not sold on is Venom. Norman actually does as you say work really well in this regard because frankly he's a rich guy, and people love convince themselves that whichever random rich guy is a totally awesome wonderful person because they like to believe that 1. they too could be rich guys someday and 2. they themselves are totally awesome wonderful people. And as you say Norman's evil has always been on a scale where basically anyone who suffered from it is easy enough to write off as someone you don't give a **** about and they probably deserved it somehow anyway. And Bullseye is maybe believable in that most of the general public just might not have heard of the various murders with which he's been connected, especially if they're slapping him in a Hawkeye costume. But Venom is like, ****ing, Venom. He flat out looks every inch like a walking nightmare that is going to steal your baby, crack open its head, and feast on the sweet brain-meat candy inside. You can't tell me the mother****ing US Government is going to let Ol' Teeth'n'Tongue run around in broad daylight with a federal commission and have people be anything other than horrified, no matter how ****ing dumb and gullible Marvelmericans are supposed to be.

 

[kguillou]

Thats a good point man, i dont see how the public could trust Venom. Heck the people of the marvel U are always frightened whenever Spider-man shows up, so if they think he's scary, then why does venom, (who does look like a walking nightmare LOL), get a pass?? Plus his name is Venom, what good, benevolent person would wanna name themselves that? lol

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Personally, I'm very excited for this. The first cover looks fantastic and the sound of the story just pulls me in.

 

[StreetWarrior]

The point about Venom being a little "too evil" to fit the roster is kind of moot at this point. I mean, they gave him a spot on the Thunderbolts, a state-sponsored super-team! Also, after his controlled rampage at the capital during the Invasion, he's regarded mostly as a hero by the public. The Thunderbolts have an amazing PR campaign.

If that's not enough reason, it's unclear as if he will be operating as Venom or mimicking Spider-man on the team. If they lie to the public and introduce him as a newly-registered "black-suit" Spider-man, they might be able to pull it off. Until Gargan loses it and tries to eat someone....

 

[Web-Head408]

I could imagine with the hint "The greatest hero in the Marvel universe" would be Norman as they seem to be playing him up as that after SI is over. So Iron Patriot = Norman Osborn?

Kinda doubt it, but I still thought I'd throw it out there.

 

[kguillou]

I gotta say Norman's elevated status in the MU has me very excited, the dynamic between him and spiderman is going to be more interesting than ever now. Plus, when do we ever see a character from Spider-man's world play a very important role in the MU?

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

Maybe it'll go back to being about Songbird and the others who are genuinely trying to reform.

I hope thats the way they're going. Really I don't see it going any other way if Norman's Thunderbolts are going to be the Dark Avengers. I'm actually happy if thats the way Marvel is going. I think Thunderbolts has been really good since CW, but I was a little upset when it first happened. I was upset that I wasn't going to see Atlas, Mach IV, Speed Demon, Blizzard, etc... So I'm hoping that know that Norman isn't in charge the U.S. Government will have more real control over the Thunderbolts. Again I just hope the U.S. government still uses villians, no "villians" like Billseye and Venom, but villians really trying to reform. Maybe they'll take Constrictor or Bengal and put them on the New New New Thunderbolts. Constrictor has basically set the bar "in the Initiative" as being a reformed villian. He got a Purple Heart, he's on the Shadow Initiative, and has been pretty damn succesful has both a villian and a Hero. Anyway I'm just babbaling now, but who will be The New Thunderbolts.

Constrictor (Field Leader)
Songbird
Penance
Atlas
Mach IV

Who else...

 

[SUPER MARVELMAN]

That's possible.

Really am not interested in another round of "U.S. government and citizens will trust the deadliest villain over the most heroic hero". That isn't "realistic"; it's almost as farcical as some people think the Flash Museum is.

In real life, celebrities are worshiped and usually escape punishment for crimes by merely PRETENDING to be heroes. Imagine if they really were!

Well maybe thats why they will be mascarading as true Heroes compared to their normal look.
It makes sense for Bullseye to dress up as Hawkeye, who to the public think has been dead or missing since the Avengers Disassembled.
It also makes sense for Venom to act as the real Spider-Man, since nobody knows who Spider-Man is now, especially since we also have the Scarlet-Spiders running around.
Swordsman as Wolverine fits to because, the public dont really know anything about Wolverine or who he really is, all the know if anything is that he's a mutant, so it works.
MoonStone as Ms. Marvel, that one doesn't make as much sense, since Ms. Marvel is well known by general public, and Ultra-Girl is wearing the original Ms. Marvel Suit. But it can still work.
I could see Norman just making a new patriotic armor compared to his Goblin armor. And "take over the Avengers" in the publics eyes.

It works.

 

[fifthfiend]

The point about Venom being a little "too evil" to fit the roster is kind of moot at this point. I mean, they gave him a spot on the Thunderbolts, a state-sponsored super-team! Also, after his controlled rampage at the capital during the Invasion, he's regarded mostly as a hero by the public. The Thunderbolts have an amazing PR campaign.

This is what I'm saying, that however good the Thunderbolts' PR campaign is supposed to be and however stupid people are supposed to be in MU America I just can't buy that anyone would look at ****ing Venom eating things on their TV and think anything other than "holy **** what a horrifying freakshow of a nightmare."