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I don't think there should be an actual rivalry between the two. No offense, but Gambit shouldn't really be "rivals" with someone years younger than he and with less guile. I do think there should be some tensions between the two; Bobby thinking Remy is just a no account and Remy not caring to prove him wrong.

Totally.

Marvel, just so you know, the notion of pushing Bobby forward by having him compete with other guys who really shouldn't give less of a f**k is really really silly. :wow:
 
So. Who here actually thinks Marvel's handling of the character during and after the crossover is going to amount to anything worth the paper it's printed on?
 
So. Who here actually thinks Marvel's handling of the character during and after the crossover is going to amount to anything worth the paper it's printed on?

I'm going to try to have faith... I feel like the editors at Marvel opted to make Gambit become Death and join Sinister for the crossover in an attempt to "fix" the character. I mean, if they wanted to just get rid of him they could have killed him off at any given time.

Here's to hoping they've got some kind of plan for Gambit. Honestly, I'm hoping that after the crossover (assuming he eventually returns to the X-Team) he gets placed in Uncanny or something, where he can stay away from Rogue and the same old stories for awhile.
 
I'm going to try to have faith... I feel like the editors at Marvel opted to make Gambit become Death and join Sinister for the crossover in an attempt to "fix" the character. I mean, if they wanted to just get rid of him they could have killed him off at any given time.

I'm less optimistic. I get the feeling that they simply didn't care and let Milligan do whatever he wanted which was apparently to try his best to destroy the character. Then again, Marts was also the one who ordered Gambit to be blinded, so there may have been malice rather than indifference that lead to the treatment he got in BoA.

Either way, marvel is clearly a place that doesn't have the character's welfare in mind. UraniaChang said a little while ago that Gambit is just a tool for Marvel: a mere commodity to be carelessly used from time to time, to squeeze money out of whoever is still a fan of him, then discarded instead of a character to be given due consideration and effort. I can't really argue with that analysis.

Here's to hoping they've got some kind of plan for Gambit. Honestly, I'm hoping that after the crossover (assuming he eventually returns to the X-Team) he gets placed in Uncanny or something, where he can stay away from Rogue and the same old stories for awhile.

Well, Carey made a cryptic comment on his blog after the January X-summit. Something like "it would be accurate, in a sense, to say he's returning to his roots". That and the comment Schmidt made in a recent on-line interview about him liking the character the most in the claremont/lee years has me hoping they want to try and recapture that spark he had early on. Of course that would actually be a *good* thing for the character so it's unlikely to happen.

I wouldn't choose Uncanny for him to be in though. For one thing, Bru hates the character and bragged about it in interviews (he was also included in the discussions they had about what to do with the character. Yikes.). For another thing, Gambit is going to need some serious character development when he gets back from the darkside and Bru has already shown that he can't seem to do that with the X-men. With Bru writing the absolute best we could hope for is a one-dimensional take on the character.

Adjectiveless has plenty of pitfalls, but Carey seems like the writer best suited and most willing to write the character. Dunno if I'd want him there or not; there's pros and cons.

Pros:
-He doesn't hate the character. Even likes him a bit. Thats more than we'll get anywhere else.

-He's studied Cajun culture and could write Gambit as an actual Cajun instead of what the average person *thinks* Cajuns are like.

-He recognizes that Gambit is supposed to have guile and be unpredictable. He didn't go into a lot of detail when I spoke with him, but he recognized some of the elements that tend to get ignored.

-He's got some experience writing characters similar to Gambit; Lucifer and Constantine being the most famous.

Cons:

-He's a shameless Rogue fan. Any grievances Gambit has with Rogue aren't going to get treated very well.

-He loves the sexual frustration of Rogue as he admitted in an interview. If Gambit is around it's practically guaranteed he's going to get roped into it somehow.

-Rogue is undoubtedly the centerpiece of his book. Gambit's relationship with her will become his major contribution to the book.

-He's building Rogue up for some serious angst. Throw Gambit in the mix and we all know what happens.


Astonishing might be a good place depending on who they get to replace Whedon. If it's someone good, people will be able to take it on it's own merits instead of comparing it Whedon. But then again, if they're that good they're going to get to pick and choose who they want on their roster. I don't even need to mention that gambit wouldn't make the cut in such a case.
 
At this point, I just don't want him riding off into the sunset or being left on the shelf of disuse. :(
 
I don't want that for Gambit either. I don't suppose the Romy relationship was handled well. Gambit and Rogue together doesn't always equal angst. It's just a matter of previously unresolved issues that I think will get solved eventually. They're not the easiest people to have a relationship with.

Gambit needs to stay in the Adjectiveless book in some capacity. Carey's the best to write him right now. And with Gambit and Rogue being my favorite characters, I don't have to buy two books. It's hard enough keeping up with one.

Movie Rogue was so weak, but I really need Gambit in the movies. Romy is what I loved best in the comics.
 
At this point, I just don't want him riding off into the sunset or being left on the shelf of disuse. :(

I don't think that's going to happen, I think Carey is going to do a great job with Gambit.
 
Well, Carey promised me some cool Gambit moments (I frequently talk with the guy on his blog, if you didn't know), so we've got those to look forward to, at least.
 
Well, Carey promised me some cool Gambit moments (I frequently talk with the guy on his blog, if you didn't know), so we've got those to look forward to, at least.

Hey that's awesome man, that should be awesome. :up:
 
Well, Carey promised me some cool Gambit moments (I frequently talk with the guy on his blog, if you didn't know), so we've got those to look forward to, at least.

At this point, just him blowing s**t up and being a ruthless a$$hole would be fine as far as I'm concerned. :wow:

Beats the 'gas-powered dark elf with funny hair' thingy any day of the week. :woot:
 
At this point, just him blowing s**t up and being a ruthless a$$hole would be fine as far as I'm concerned. :wow:

Beats the 'gas-powered dark elf with funny hair' thingy any day of the week. :woot:

Yeah, I want to see Gambit do more with his power.
 
I don't think there should be an actual rivalry between the two. No offense, but Gambit shouldn't really be "rivals" with someone years younger than he and with less guile. I do think there should be some tensions between the two; Bobby thinking Remy is just a no account and Remy not caring to prove him wrong.
years younger? How old is Gambit supposed to be? I thought he was roughly the same age as Bobby give or take a year or 2
 
years younger? How old is Gambit supposed to be? I thought he was roughly the same age as Bobby give or take a year or 2


Well, Gambit left New Orleans at 18 years old. He spent the next few years working as a thief and a merc. Rounding down, he'd probably be about 22-23 when he went to Sinister. He worked as a henchman for Sinister for a few years after that, probably no more than 2 years or so. This would place him at 24-25 at the time of the Massacre. He then spent a few years wandering around getting his head on straight before he ran into Storm. He'd be about 27ish then. Since he met Storm, it's been roughly 5 years in Marvel time, making him 32 or thereabouts.

Scott is at 31 IIRC, and Bobby was a year or two younger than him, making Drake 29.



You know, doing this had really highlighted the ridiculousness of the Rogue is early 20's retcon. She should be the same age as Bobby.
 
I think 31 is an age that suits Scott actually. It's Bobby's age I'd say is wrong; he strikes me as someone at 25 or so.
 
I think 31 is an age that suits Scott actually. It's Bobby's age I'd say is wrong; he strikes me as someone at 25 or so.

Huh. Would've put Scott at 33-35 and Bobby at 27-28.

Oh well, at least we agree on the 5-6 years diff. Which sounds about right, really. Well, compared to TWO years anyway. :wow:
 
I always imagined Beast and Storm being around 35, and Scott being a few years younger than the two of them, thus the very early 30's.

It's funny: 2 years back when the characters were created was enough to justify the large differences in maturity, but nowadays it just isn't enough.
 
It's funny: 2 years back when the characters were created was enough to justify the large differences in maturity, but nowadays it just isn't enough.

Yeah, well, Lee & Kirby might be the stuff of legend, but the outline of about every character they've created is rather silly/not-so-well-thought-out. :cwink:
 
Yeah, well, Lee & Kirby might be the stuff of legend, but the outline of about every character they've created is rather silly/not-so-well-thought-out. :cwink:

Thats part of why most of their characters didn't take off until someone else worked with them. Those two were great at coming up with characters, but their execution was kinda lacking.
 
You know, doing this had really highlighted the ridiculousness of the Rogue is early 20's retcon. She should be the same age as Bobby.
Rogue is like 3 years older than Cannonball and I think he's supposed to be about 22 which would make her 25. 25-26ish at the most sounds right for her
 
I usually label comic Scott as 30, Gambit shoud be around 28-29, Beast 35, Angel 32, Jean was probably 29-30, Bobby is 27 I guess.
 
I usually label comic Scott as 30, Gambit shoud be around 28-29, Beast 35, Angel 32, Jean was probably 29-30, Bobby is 27 I guess.
lol...Beast is not 5 years older than Scott and 8 years older than Bobby. Remember that he and the original X-men were all teens at the same time. Bobby was the youngest at 15 with Hank at 18
 
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