Sequels The Official "How YOU would do Spider-Man 4" thread

[nick_horror]

Dude, if you're for real (which you can never really tell) congrats on a cool job and your screenplay getting picked up.

Yeah, I'm for real. But don't get too excited. The pay is crap (only $25,000 a year), no benifits, and absolutely NO CREDIT if I discover the next Best Picture winner. But I'm getting a ton of "what-not-to-do" lessons.

Here's the thing. This is SPIDER-MAN 4. Not ORIGINAL SUPERHERO MOVIE IDEA. I think a lot of people (myself included) feel like there are so many great Spidey stories already out there, that there's enough to pick and choose from without having to do something really original. All of my ideas for 4 are all taking from great comics of the past. Comic idea: Spider-Man knows that Norman Osborn was the Green Goblin and doesn't tell his best friend Harry. Original movie idea: the Sandman shot uncle Ben and has a sick daughter. Maybe some of us don't wanna make more stuff up. Just move stuff around.

What I meant by "originality" is that there can be some creative lisence when coming up with character origins. It doesn't have to be pulled directly from the comics. Updated, if you will. And during the updating process, something may pop out and lead the character down a different road...it may work, it may not. Look at the issue of ASM where Spidey is trapped under the rubble and needs to get to Aunt May. They spent a whole issue on just that, but it was addressed at the end of SM2 with Peter saving MJ from the wall. It wasn't exactly the same thing, but it was the updated version. What I was talking about was how several of the scripts read the same way, meaning that it was hard to tell that they were written by different people. And that is why there needs to be originality. I'm not saying they were bad, just not that different from one another.

I think Electro would be great, although I don't think he can hold his own movie, he's not as smart as the first two villains, and has no dramatic element like the New Goblin. Also, I think most people really want to see the Lizard pay off, because Dylan Baker has been in two movies now, people feel like he's the next logical step. But Electro would be awesome (if done differently than LAME Storm) in like Spider-Man 5 or 6.

This is where that originality comes in. Max Dillion's background can be altered creatively enough so as to make his character strong enough to support his own movie. I'm not saying he needs to be a Kingpin-like crimeboss (like in Cameron's verson), but a cocky, needs-noone's-help kind of villian. I never thought Doc Ock was relyable enough for his own movie (the whole Master Planner thing showed me he was weak). But Alvin Sargent really did a great job with the script and made his character stronger than Peter's...the twisted sense of right and wrong was brilliant; but the same trick failed regarding Peter's black suit in SM3.

Now, on this I disagree. First of all, Pete never had a rambunctious love-life in the movies, lol. He only moped over MJ, or screwed up what he and MJ had. Second, am I the only one that thought Peter and MJ were NOT together at the end of the last one? They ended the movie very vaguely. There's no kiss or running into open arms, or even a conversation like "hey, Peter, your dead friend MADE me break up with you, I still love you" or "I didn't mean to punch you in the face, MJ, I had an evil alien suit on me, I still love you", but nothing. I don't feel like they're getting married anytime soon. Plus, they introduce Gwen Stacy in the last one, who was not only more beautiful and charming, but was more interesting than MJ. And although there IS plenty of opportunity for romantic breakdown IF they were married, I think most people would find it easier to believe that Pete and MJ broke up for a while and Pete slowly went out with Gwen. It seems more likely to happen in one movie than something like them getting married right at the end after the big villain fight.

The whole thing about Pete's lovelife being rambunctious was supposed to be an oxymoron. But when it comes to relationships, I think the best thing to do is give him a break and let him have MJ. That doesn't mean that when Gwen is killed Peter has to just shrug his shoulders and be like "Pitty. She was kind of cute." It can hurt him bad, especially since he's responsible...and it could give another stress point to his and MJ's relationship. But too many girls and it becomes a knot, and it becomes cliche. We know he ends up with MJ so there is no real drive for him to persue other girls in these stories. Sure he can flirt, like with BlackCat, while in his costume. But Peter needs to settle down. That doesn't mean he can't have feelings--after all that's what Peter is, a big ball of feelings wrapped in skin.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Villians:
Kraven
Lizard
Eddie Brock (For a cameo at the end, setting up for the spin-off & 4)

Cameos:
Ghost Rider
(& if they can) Iron Man

 

[Hectorminator]

What I meant by "originality" is that there can be some creative lisence when coming up with character origins. It doesn't have to be pulled directly from the comics. Updated, if you will. And during the updating process, something may pop out and lead the character down a different road...it may work, it may not. Look at the issue of ASM where Spidey is trapped under the rubble and needs to get to Aunt May. They spent a whole issue on just that, but it was addressed at the end of SM2 with Peter saving MJ from the wall. It wasn't exactly the same thing, but it was the updated version. What I was talking about was how several of the scripts read the same way, meaning that it was hard to tell that they were written by different people. And that is why there needs to be originality. I'm not saying they were bad, just not that different from one another.

I got the perfect "original" character origin that adds a lot to the story and would be perfect for the films. The character is The Vulture; now, here me out: when I heard that Raimi originally wanted the Vulture instead of Venom, I thought for sure that Venom was a better character, a better choice. Then after watching the third movie, I wished that Raimi went with the Vulture and left Venom for later (possibly with another director.) But going back, I learned that he was in talks with Ben Kingsley for the role. Which is freaking awesome. And it got me thinking, what would be the best way to make this silly character have some depth to him and make him fit in the current movie universe? First of all, having Kingsley play him is inspiring. Like Molina with Doc Ock, it would give Adrian Toomes some dimension. So here's my idea for the movie:

Adrian Toomes used to work for Norman Osborn as a scientist (inventing some of the technology used on the Goblin Glider) but was fired right before Norman went insane and got super-powers. So Toomes had to get a job at the University with his old colleague Curtis Conners. Toomes is greedy, and plays on the misfortune of others, people don't like him. So after Peter graduates, he's offered a teaching assistant position with Conners, and then Toomes also offers. Parker respectfully declines, and Toomes says "Hmm. Well, I'm sure he could use the extra hand.." Oh, snap! Anyway, Toomes and Conners become involved in a competition for a science grant, the winner will receive a lot of funding. Conners is developing a way to re-grow arms back, Toomes (being a shallow guy) is developing a flying suit powered by electro-magnetism. Toomes KNOWS that Conners is gonna win, so he sabotages his formula when Conners is busy taking a call from his wife. Toomes doesn't expect that he'll drink it himself, just that he'll take the formula to the board and not win the grant. Conners turns into the Lizard, and goes missing for a few days. Toomes is suspected (as his personal record had some shady inconsistencies) and fired by the Dean before he goes under investigation. Toomes gets his revenge by donning his suit (without feathers) and uses the suit's strength to kill the Dean. Then he just decides to start robbing banks with the suit, cutting out the middleman. After "The Vulture" is outed as Adrian Toomes by the Daily Bugle (courtesy of Peter Parker) and a few skirmishes with Spider-Man, he's finally captured by Kraven the Hunter (disguised as Spider-Man ala Kraven's Last Hunt.) When Kraven lets him go, he goes after J. Jonah Jameson and Spider-Man has to stop him.

Spider-Man 4 would have The Lizard, The Vulture, and Kraven the Hunter. And the only way I, myself, would want any of this is if Sir Ben Kingsley would play Adrian Toomes. I really feel it's a Alfred Molina-style casting choice. So basically The Vulture would be the reason for the Lizard's story in the beginning of the movie, and the reason for Kraven to prove his superiority over Spider-Man towards the finale. It would never be "three villains at once." And the main villain would be Kraven, he has the most story to tell. Which is fine, because after the Vulture is stopped and put in jail at the end, he can come back in Spider-Man 5, and be part of the Sinister Six in part 6. More on the other stuff you said later.

 

[nick_horror]

Spider-Man 4 would have The Lizard, The Vulture, and Kraven the Hunter. And the only way I, myself, would want any of this is if Sir Ben Kingsley would play Adrian Toomes. I really feel it's a Alfred Molina-style casting choice. So basically The Vulture would be the reason for the Lizard's story in the beginning of the movie, and the reason for Kraven to prove his superiority over Spider-Man towards the finale. It would never be "three villains at once." And the main villain would be Kraven, he has the most story to tell. Which is fine, because after the Vulture is stopped and put in jail at the end, he can come back in Spider-Man 5, and be part of the Sinister Six in part 6. More on the other stuff you said later.

Actually, I think the whole Toomes/Connors story you mentioned is strong enough to carry its own. I think Kraven's introduction would be benifit a "Last Hunt" styled story in a fifth film (which would be a great story to tell with cameos from Kraven's past hunts; the Rhino, Vermin, etc.).

 

[tekcopedis]

Toomes gets his revenge by donning his suit (without feathers) and uses the suit's strength to kill the Dean. Then he just decides to start robbing banks with the suit, cutting out the middleman. After "The Vulture" is outed as Adrian Toomes by the Daily Bugle (courtesy of Peter Parker) and a few skirmishes with Spider-Man, he's finally captured by Kraven the Hunter (disguised as Spider-Man ala Kraven's Last Hunt.) When Kraven lets him go, he goes after J. Jonah Jameson and Spider-Man has to stop him.

Why in every fan script thingy they always have Tooms robbing banks?

When you rob a bank for money, you need a REASON to do so.

Doc Ock was to get parts to re-build his project again, Sandman was to afford the medical treatment for his daughter.

Not only can you not just have them robbin' banks for that sake, but since it was already used in the previous movies people would be tired of seeing it.

Trying to make the faculty at the collage life hell would be a better motivation IMO.

Oh and my version will be coming shortly.

 

[Hectorminator]

Why in every fan script thingy they always have Tooms robbing banks?

When you rob a bank for money, you need a REASON to do so.

Doc Ock was to get parts to re-build his project again, Sandman was to afford the medical treatment for his daughter.

Not only can you not just have them robbin' banks for that sake, but since it was already used in the previous movies people would be tired of seeing it.

Trying to make the faculty at the collage life hell would be a better motivation IMO.

Dude, he HAS to rob banks, he's the Vulture. He's doing it because he wants the money, and he enjoys the power. Nobody can catch him, and the suit makes him really strong. He's out of a job, anyhow. He did kill the dean already, so he really has no beef with anyone else at the college, because at this point, Conners himself is missing (as the Lizard.)

But in the end, it's not that important HOW the Vulture gets Spidey's attention, just that he does and they fight.

 

[tekcopedis]

Dude, he HAS to rob banks, he's the Vulture.

Then you failed to be a good writer. Nobody does something because they are, they do it because they have to. In movies, even Satan is evil because he has a REASON to do so.

He's doing it because he wants the money, and he enjoys the power. Nobody can catch him, and the suit makes him really strong. He's out of a job, anyhow.

But are there not other ways to show power trips than robbing banks? Could he not cause major traffic accidents, raid the police station, rape women, abduct kids, set things on fire? Also, WHY DOES he want the money? Money is only useful if you use it for something, otherwise there is no point.

He did kill the dean already, so he really has no beef with anyone else at the college, because at this point, Conners himself is missing (as the Lizard.)

Yes and that is more interesting, stretch it out. He is a SUPER VILLAIN. Normal crooks rob banks, he needs to do something better than that.

But in the end, it's not that important HOW the Vulture gets Spidey's attention, just that he does and they fight.

Right, just like it is only important that Obi-Wan and Anakin fight. It does not matter the horrible plot, bad motivation and horrible acting.

Face it, people need to be compelled and have reason to suspend there disbelief and enjoy the flick. That is why Batman Begins work so well.

 

[Hectorminator]

Then you failed to be a good writer. Nobody does something because they are, they do it because they have to. In movies, even Satan is evil because he has a REASON to do so.

But are there not other ways to show power trips than robbing banks? Could he not cause major traffic accidents, raid the police station, rape women, abduct kids, set things on fire? Also, WHY DOES he want the money? Money is only useful if you use it for something, otherwise there is no point.

I was obviously joking, dude. But seriously, robbing a bank is something that is going to be in the next Spider-Man movie. It's part of Spidey's world. Adrian Toomes robbing a bank is like Spider-Man having money trouble. But if you're so hung up on it, then fine, he doesn't rob a bank. Honestly, that WAS the weakest part of my story, I just had Toomes doing so because he needs to fight Spider-Man and have Peter Parker snap a photo of him.

I figured that if The Vulture was so pissed about being fired from Oscorp, then again from being fired from the University and losing his chance at a huge science grant, he must want money. He's GREEDY. He doesn't want money to continue his research, he continues his research to MAKE MONEY. That's what's always been great about The Vulture. He has no morals or grand plan, he's just kind of a bastard. But if you want, I can change it rape some women, 'cause that makes more sense.

Face it, people need to be compelled and have reason to suspend there disbelief and enjoy the flick. That is why Batman Begins work so well.

That's funny, because I thought Batman Begins was boring and not very compelling.

 

[nick_horror]

Actually, tekcopedis brings up some good points. To say a character does something isn't enough. They have to prove to themselves that what they are doing is important to them. Robbing banks for money is just so...1960s.

He's the Vulture, man. His world is, like Spidey's, is fifty stories in the air. That is where he needs to show his prowess. He could start small, by ransacking luxury penthouses and move from there to bigger and better opportunities--at least in his mind. That's what makes the villains in Spider-Man so unique. They have this tie-dyed version of what is right and wrong. Sure, it looks like it was completely supposed to come out that way, but, inside, we all really know that it was a lucky shot that just so happened to come out that way. Toomes is a weak villain, but he can be so much more if done the right way. I never approved of Sandman--for Christ's sake, Spidey beat him with a vacuum cleaner the first time they met. He was always projected as this weak-minded, bumbling idiot with superpowers. Toomes, however, is smart and talented. The key to making the Vulture a formidable foe is what he does IMMEDIATLEY after he gets his powers. And robbing banks is just lame for today's standards.

The key to making a good villain is staying away from the obvious. Vulture needs to do what he does for a reason that would make sense to any normal person in that situation--like the Sandman. And the best way to do that is to write yourself a little biography of the character. How do you see him? Where did he grow up? What did he do in high school that lead to his involvement with the sciences in college? Consider Toomes' life up until the moment you introduce him to your story. It should only take you a few pages to come up with who YOU see Toomes to be. Everything that you believe he WAS in his early life should be reflected in who he is the very first time we (the readers) see him.

 

[Hectorminator]

Actually, I think the whole Toomes/Connors story you mentioned is strong enough to carry its own. I think Kraven's introduction would be benifit a "Last Hunt" styled story in a fifth film (which would be a great story to tell with cameos from Kraven's past hunts; the Rhino, Vermin, etc.).

Great minds... I just used Toomes because I needed a villain in between the Lizard's intro and Kraven's finale (and I really want to see Ben Kingsley in the Spider-Man movies.) My idea for Spider-Man 4 basically follows the strongest points of "Last Hunt", which I felt would be very appropriate sharing a film with "The Lizard" and "The Vulture", two of the most popular of Spidey's Animal themed rogues. And it's funny that you mentioned Vermin, because I basically wanted The Vulture taking the place of Vermin.

And if it feels like Vulture (and Kingsley) is being pushed to the background, don't worry, he'll be back in part five as scientist Adrian Toomes, and as the bad-ass red and black suited Vulture (from the Marvel Knights: Spider-Man comic and that new Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon show) in Spider-Man 6.

 

[Hectorminator]

Actually, tekcopedis brings up some good points. To say a character does something isn't enough. They have to prove to themselves that what they are doing is important to them. Robbing banks for money is just so...1960s.

He's the Vulture, man. His world is, like Spidey's, is fifty stories in the air. That is where he needs to show his prowess. He could start small, by ransacking luxury penthouses and move from there to bigger and better opportunities--at least in his mind. That's what makes the villains in Spider-Man so unique. They have this tie-dyed version of what is right and wrong. Sure, it looks like it was completely supposed to come out that way, but, inside, we all really know that it was a lucky shot that just so happened to come out that way. Toomes is a weak villain, but he can be so much more if done the right way. I never approved of Sandman--for Christ's sake, Spidey beat him with a vacuum cleaner the first time they met. He was always projected as this weak-minded, bumbling idiot with superpowers. Toomes, however, is smart and talented. The key to making the Vulture a formidable foe is what he does IMMEDIATLEY after he gets his powers. And robbing banks is just lame for today's standards.

The key to making a good villain is staying away from the obvious. Vulture needs to do what he does for a reason that would make sense to any normal person in that situation--like the Sandman. And the best way to do that is to write yourself a little biography of the character. How do you see him? Where did he grow up? What did he do in high school that lead to his involvement with the sciences in college? Consider Toomes' life up until the moment you introduce him to your story. It should only take you a few pages to come up with who YOU see Toomes to be. Everything that you believe he WAS in his early life should be reflected in who he is the very first time we (the readers) see him.

Nice. Well said. I never fleshed out Toomes more than him being fired and whatnot, but I will now. Love the bit about penthouses. I am so stealing that, lol.

 

[I'm Venom]

Villains:
Cletus Kasady (For a cameo at the end, setting up for Spider-Man 5)
Eddie Brock (For a cameo at the end, setting up for Spider-Man 5)
Kraven
Lizard

Dr. Connors studies how reptiles can regenerate a lost limb and decides to develop a serum that will duplicate this ability in humans. Connors creates a serum that successfully regenerates a leg on a rabbit within an hour and immediately tests it on himself. Connors downs the serum and feels a stange sensation in his right shoulder, then instantly, he grows a new arm, but the new arm suddenly turns green and scaly and the rest of Connors turns green and scaly. Sobbing and trembling like a man possessed, Connors leaves his lab and runs out into the night. Three guys are hanging out on the street when a human-sized lizard confronts them. The three guys run for their lives. After this encounter, stories of some kind of monster in the city's sewers start to spread and are soon proven when "Lizard" attacks subway workers. The workers are saved by Spider-Man, and he and Lizard have their first fight, during which, Peter discovers Lizard is Connors, and afterwards, asks for access to Connors' notes.

One week later, J. Jonah Jameson rushes out of his office at the Daily Bugle and orders Betty Brant to grab her book and call Parker to meet them with his camera. The word is out that Kraven The Hunter is arriving at the pier from Africa, and JJJ thinks this will be the biggest story of the year. At the pier, Peter shows up, and Jonah barks at him to get his camera ready. Kraven comes off the boat and walks by. JJ calls for Kraven to wait and offers money for an interview, but Kraven states that he’s not interested in giving interviews; he’s there to hunt the most dangerous game of all. JJ approaches Kraven with a question: since there are no wild beasts in New York, what is Kraven planning to hunt? Kraven replies that the most dangerous game in New York is Lizard and goes his own way. Peter tries to stop Kraven, but it's no good, so Peter is forced to do so as Spider-Man, and when Kraven meets Lizard for the first time, Spider-Man is there. The three get into a fight with Spider-Man trying to save Lizard.

One night, Peter awakes from a nightmare and goes for a swing. Spider-Man is swinging, and Kraven drops down onto a rooftop. Spider-Man is hit by a dart and raises his head to see Kraven. Knowing he's being drugged, he attacks Kraven, only to be caught in a net. Kraven takes Spider-Man to a cemetery and lowers his body into an empty grave. Kraven throws in the dirt and covers the hole.

In the sewers, Lizard finds a newspaper and sees a photo of Spider-Man, when Kraven drops in. They duke it out. Kraven wins and leaves the sewers carrying Lizard. Meanwhile, a hand bursts out of Spider-Man's grave. Thinking of how much he loves Mary Jane, he comes out of the grave and leaves the cemetery, then heads off to the lab, where he examines Connors' notes and whips up a compound in a tube, creating an antidote that will restore Connors to normal, before swinging off into the night.

While he swings, he finds Kraven and follows him. Spider-Man looks to see Lizard inside a cage and goes for Kraven. He grabs him and throws Kraven to the floor. Kraven gets up, then Spider-Man loses control and starts beating Kraven. He holds himself when his foe seems defeated and gives Lizard the cure, but Kraven recovers and attempts to kill Spider-Man, only to accidentally kill himself. The antidote kicks in, and Lizard turns into one-armed Dr. Connors again. Spider-Man frees him from the cage and takes Connors home. Connors decides he has tampered with nature and burns his notes on the spot. He prepares to face the penalty for his crimes, but Spider-Man suggests that the whole thing be kept a secret among the two of them.

At Ryker's Island Prison, Eddie Brock is getting into shape while cellmate Cletus Kasady heckles him for entertainment. Not content to listen to a serial killer, Eddie speaks his desire not to have to share a room with a murderer. Kasady makes a comment about him not having to worry about that if he keeps complaining.

Peter and MJ work on their relationship throughout the movie, and at the end, Peter asks her to marry him. She says yes. Final swing with MJ holding on to Spider-Man.

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Peter Parker has taken over Doctor Connors place teaching his class while he is away. Things are going good in his life until stories of some kind monster in the cities sewers start to spread. The stories are soon proven when a giant Lizard attacks subway workers. The workers are saved by spider-man and he and the Lizard have their first fight with spider-man losing. With the Lizard big news now JJJ wants pictures of it and puts Peter on the job.
Meanwhile Sergei Kravinoff, (Kraven the Hunter) a famous big game hunter and tv personality finds that his show is about to be canceled. Kraven sees the Lizard as a way of saving his show and getting back on top. Kraven teams up with JJJ and he funds a TV special that will fallow Kraven as he hunts the Lizard. On this team is Kraven, Peter Parker, and Ned Leeds, whose job is to do the print side of the story.
As they hunt the Lizard Peter is sent a package from Florida with DVD’s in it. The DVDs document Connors research into stem-cells and Lizard DNA as a way to regenerate cells. The DVDs show Connors research from the start, to where he tests the drug on himself, where he regrows his arm, and finely to his slow change into the Lizard. Connors (now in New York) tells Peter that he has sent the videos (because he is unable to control his changes) as well as his notes and that if anyone can find a way to help him its peter.
With this new information peter tries to stop JJJ and Kraven but its no good. So peter is forced to do so as spider-man. And soon when Kraven meets and Lizard for the first time its spider-man that’s there. The three get into a fight with spider-man trying to save innocent lives, Kraven, and the Lizard.
Peter must pull double duty and find a way to help Connors and stop Kraven. But Kraven finds that if Spider-man wont help him get the Lizard he will have to be removed from the game. Kraven lures Spider-man out to a construction site there he attacks him and drugs him. With spider-man beat he bares him alive at the site to keep him from getting in his way. After Kraven leaves Ned Leeds frees spider-man who then heads off to get a possible “cure” for the Lizard. Later that night Kraven tracks the Lizard and gets him to fallow him into a trap. With the Lizard at Kravens mercy in a cage being transported to a studio for the finale of the tv special.
Spider-Man gets to the truck with the Lizard in it and “commandeers” it, taking it to an old warehouse where he can give Connors the cure and find out if it worked or not without anyone getting in the way.
But Kraven arrives (he had Lowjacked the tuck) moments after Spider-man gives Connors the cure. Kraven attempts to kill both spider-man and the Lizard but spidey is too fast and the Lizard is just made mad. In the end the lizard kills Kraven, Connors is cured, and the movie ends with a tv special titled “Kravens Last Hunt”.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Toomes is a lab tech for the police,and he has become very bitter since the department is forcing him to retire in a week.One day in a temper Toomes tears apart the evidence room.

Afterwards when he is calm again he starts cleaning up.A lid to a box is uncovered,and inside the box is a shiny crumpled up piece of metal.Before Toomes puts the lid on this box,Toomes sees something that look like a microchip that is hidden in all the crumpled up steel barely sticking out.

Toomes looks at the tag on the item and sees that it says that this item was in the trunk of a car that the police was in a high speed chase with,and this item seems to of gotten smashed when the car got totaled.

This intrigues Toomes.He uses his tools to get the microchip out of it,then Toomes puts the crumpled up piece of steel back into the box.

When Toomes gets back to his lab,he inserts the microchip into his computer and finds out that it is the blueprints to Norman Osborn's engine that made his glider able to fly.

Norman used a glider to get around,Toomes creates a set of wings for his.

 

[Hectorminator]

The whole thing about Pete's lovelife being rambunctious was supposed to be an oxymoron. But when it comes to relationships, I think the best thing to do is give him a break and let him have MJ. That doesn't mean that when Gwen is killed Peter has to just shrug his shoulders and be like "Pitty. She was kind of cute." It can hurt him bad, especially since he's responsible...and it could give another stress point to his and MJ's relationship. But too many girls and it becomes a knot, and it becomes cliche. We know he ends up with MJ so there is no real drive for him to persue other girls in these stories. Sure he can flirt, like with BlackCat, while in his costume. But Peter needs to settle down. That doesn't mean he can't have feelings--after all that's what Peter is, a big ball of feelings wrapped in skin.

This kind of goes against all that IS Spider-Man. "Give Peter a break." I know what you mean, you mentioned that Pete is just a big ball of emotions, exactly. But I just brought this up because another thing I want to see in Spider-Man 4 is Peter and MJ taking a break. I feel if they stay together, and MJ would probably get kidnapped for the big villain fight at the end AGAIN, then all THAT would be cliche. I wanna see them break up, going along with the tone of the ending of Spider-Man 3, this sort of weird uncertainty about their relationship, and have Peter eventually being to date Gwen.

We do know that MJ and Pete will end up together, they are soul mates and were literally written for each other. But it doesn't mean we can't stretch that out a little. And it would make for great romantic drama to have Pete being hugged/kissed by Gwen (who genuinely cares about Pete) and have him thinking about (or even making eye contact, lol) with MJ, the true love of his life. And all those feelings would make Pete feel even MORE guilty when Gwen does finally bite the dust in Spider-Man 5. Putting a pretty big strain on him and MJ's relationship.

I just think that it's realistic that every relationship goes through its troubles, and even more real for a young couple like Pete and MJ to break up for a while. I mean, you wanted to give Pete a break, how about MJ? Her character was so poorly written in the last movie, she needs to go off and find herself, lol. She could date John Jameson again, a dude who she almost married, or even Flash Thompson (now going by Eugene) who's matured a lot since high school and is actually nice to Pete and is a big fan of Spidey. He WAS at Harry's funeral, anyway, might as well make him a popular football star at the university.

So after MJ breaks up with Peter because he misses a final chance at talking about their relationship, he's on his own for a while, trying to come up with a cure for Doc Conners, and also being there for his sick Aunt May in the hospital. MJ either goes to LA for work, or stays in NY, but she finds success (because she's actually a good actress and singer) and maybe she dates again, all the while missing Pete. But the reason she breaks up with him in the first place is because she can't keep waiting for him up at night, hearing about him getting shot at on the news, being attacked by crazy powerful people, constantly putting himself in danger. She's afraid he's gonna die as Spider-Man and it kills her. Just like when a cop's wife asks him to retire, she doesn't want him to keep risking his life (which is kind of selfish, she knows, and that's why she lets him go.) So after Pete's on his own, moping around, he hears that MJ's found success/happiness and he's actually glad for her. So then Peter lets HIMSELF be happy when Gwen asks him out. Gwen's cool with Pete canceling a few dates on short notice, and he really thinks she's a beautiful, nice girl.

So anyway, Pete and MJ's break-up would work, and Pete could go out with Gwen for a while. But just so we never think that Spider-Man doesn't love MJ anymore, try this: After Kraven captures and drugs Spider-Man, he buries him alive. Spidey gets out by thinking about Mary Jane Watson, and when he emerges in the midnight storm, he says to himself "I love you MJ" Bam!

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

send her to LA and put her on a soap like in the comics. gives pete a chance to be on his own.

 

[nick_horror]

send her to LA and put her on a soap like in the comics. gives pete a chance to be on his own.

I was just going to say that if Pete isn't going to have MJ, she needs to go to Hollywood. That way, she can still be in Peter's life--albeit vicariously through television and films.

But, yeah; "if she ain't gonna give it up, blitch gotta go."

 

[Spider-Ranger]

I think the final fight should take place in Grand Central Station!

 

[thejon93]

I think the final fight should take place in Grand Central Station!

Woah, nice suggestion there, Goran
That would be sweet

 

[ironman29758]

I think the final fight should take place in Grand Central Station!

awsomeness. I would go with Lizard and the death og Gwen and George stacy. Lizard doesn't die however. It would be mixture of night of the lizard, where crawls the lizard, Law Of The Jungle , Lizards, Lizards, Everywhere, Market Forces, Natural Selections, Azaming Spider-man vol 1 issue 6, 44 and 45, 46, Ultimate Spider-man issue 8, and Ultimate Marvel team issue 10,

 

[ironman29758]

I think the final fight should take place in Grand Central Station!

Lizard , shocker or electro

 

[Venom 1988]

Electro's final fight should definitly be in Times Square

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think the final fight should take place in Grand Central Station!

That would be so awesome!

 

[GoldGoblin]

I could picture Kraven coming into town on a train that arrives there.At the same time Dr.Connors is there to pick up his wife and son who were out of town to his wife's parents.

And while Dr.Connors family was away,he has been experimenting with the lizard serum.Then at the Grand Central Station Dr.Connors turns into the Lizard and Kraven who is already there takes him on.

Then spidey shows up of course and the Lizard gets away,making Kraven angry that spidey has got in his way resulting into the Lizard getting away.

 

[Superhero 101]

Wouldn't that cost a lot of money to shoot at Grand Central Station?