The Official Jaimie Alexander/Sif Thread

[gildedmuse]

I want to ask what qualifies Jane and Darcy as "crap characters" but I feel like TDW would be used against me in that argument, which is kind of unfair. I mean, based off that movie The Warriors Three weren't very good or interesting characters, either. Of course most fans are familiar with them because of the comics and therefore forgive the fact that they are pretty useless and have little developed personality. I mean I don't blame the characters for that at all since it's on the writers/director to give them a purpose in the story which they failed to do.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

They're not crap characters. It's the Internet. It's standard practice for people to try and enforce their opinions as fact.

I certainly hope they don't kill off Jane. (And yes I also see people post that all the time) That would be lame and trite as hell and leave this whole arc unsatisfactorily unresolved - just to pander to overly vocal haters. Elevate their relationship - don't just discard it. Build on what's good and iron out the kinks. You don't need to kill her off. Thor and Jane are probably not going to work out long term for other reasons. But they had great chemistry in the first film. The writing in TDW did not allow for more focus on the romance other than basically acknowledging it but it does need more depth. It needs to go somewhere. In the comics Jane and Thor's relationship actually got more interesting once the romance cooled off.

As a fan of both Thor from the comics and the films I will be very disappointed if they drop the ball on this. I'm glad to hear they are taking so much time with the writing for Thor's third film.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

You're pretty small-minded if you think that a female character can only be interesting if she "kicks butt"

I clearly said I feel the same about male characters but whatever

 

[Neptune]

Isn't it weird how Sif got more character developement and action scenes in 2 episodes of AoS than in two Thor movies? Less jane and more Sif would be better. I don't get why Thor would pick Jane over Sif anyway.

 

[Fosterson]

Isn't it weird how Sif got more character developement and action scenes in 2 episodes of AoS than in two Thor movies? Less jane and more Sif would be better. I don't get why Thor would pick Jane over Sif anyway.

As was already stated above, more Sif doesn't and shouldn't mean less Jane. It's the same as those people who say that Black Widow needs to be killed off in favour of more powerful female characters. Why can't they all share screen time?

It's also fairly obvious why Thor chose Jane over Sif. She was a major part his transformation from arrogant d*ck to the super hero in the first movie. Thor has shown precisely zero attraction for Sif in either movie. And even her feelings for him don't seem that well established since it was essentially expressed through a few longing glances. They seem to regard each other as close friends, not as lovers. Thor and Jane's relationship is romantic; Thor and Sif's isn't. Sorry if its your OTP, but this is the truth.

If you want to see more about the "why Thor chose Jane argument", check this out. There are a few quite compelling arguments:http://www.quora.com/Why-does-Thor-love-Jane-instead-of-Sif

 

[one4smoke]

As was already stated above, more Sif doesn't and shouldn't mean less Jane. It's the same as those people who say that Black Widow needs to be killed off in favour of more powerful female characters. Why can't they all share screen time?

It's also fairly obvious why Thor chose Jane over Sif. She was a major part his transformation from arrogant d*ck to the super hero in the first movie. Thor has shown precisely zero attraction for Sif in either movie. And even her feelings for him don't seem that well established since it was essentially expressed through a few longing glances. They seem to regard each other as close friends, not as lovers. Thor and Jane's relationship is romantic; Thor and Sif's isn't. Sorry if its your OTP, but this is the truth.

If you want to see more about the "why Thor chose Jane argument", check this out. There are a few quite compelling arguments:http://www.quora.com/Why-does-Thor-love-Jane-instead-of-Sif

My wife as seen Thor 1 with me about 3 times now, and says for the life of her she can't see how Thor and Jane came to have strong feelings for each other just based on what was shown.

Also, maybe someone can answer this... After Thor defeated the Destroyer, he ask Jane if she wanted to see the bridge. But yet when they flew over to where Heimdall was to take them up, he then tells her he'll be back for her. Was there something cut out explaining that?

 

[Fosterson]

My wife as seen Thor 1 with me about 3 times now, and says for the life of her she can't see how Thor and Jane came to have strong feelings for each other just based on what was shown.

Also, maybe someone can answer this... After Thor defeated the Destroyer, he ask Jane if she wanted to see the bridge. But yet when they flew over to where Heimdall was to take them up, he then tells her he'll be back for her. Was there something cut out explaining that?

It's pretty much explicitly stated by Loki at the end that Jane changed Thor. If you don't believe me then check out Craig Kyle's view on the topic: [From the Art of Thor: The Dark World] "She's the single piece of humanity that really helps Thor go from petulant prince to good man, even allows him to become a great hero". Branagh also said as much during interviews for the first movie.

As for why they have " strong feelings" for each other, well, let's firstly not ignore the physical attraction, which must be considerable, even between the actors as Ragnaroknroll pointed out earlier on. But also, Thor helped Jane and believed in her research when everyone else thought she was a Giorgio Tsoukalos-esque lunatic. Similarly, Jane listened to Thor and was there for him when he was at rock bottom (after Loki told him that Odin was dead). People often say that Thor and Jane's relationship is stupid because they fell "in love" in just a few days. But this is total BS. They never say "I love you"; they develop in intense attraction for each other, sure, but love, no way. In the Director's commentary, Branagh even states that they aren't in love, but merely attracted to each other, with the possibility of love sometime in the future.

I really don't get why your wife can't grasp this.

Finally, Thor DID show Jane the bridge. She obviously saw it when Heimdall eventually activated it. Again, it's not a very hard concept.

 

[Loki882]

The problem for many people is that there's a lot more "telling" than "showing" here. We're constantly TOLD that Thor/Jane have this great love for each other, or that she's "changed" him. The problem for many people is that they haven't done a good job of SHOWING that in a convincing manner. Craig Kyle can say whatever he wants, but if it's convince in-context, then it doesn't work.

 

[Saturius]

I think all the problems with Thor and Jane are people's expectations. Branagh made it clear in his commentray of the first film that these two characters were NOT in love with one another. There is no great love between them. By film's end he said it could be something more and that it was something the two wanted to explore, hence their desire to see one another, but again no love or anything. But for some reason a lot of people jumped to the conclusion that they were in love or something and complained about how ridiculous that was since they only knew each other for 3 days. They basically used that as an excuse as to why they were a poor couple, not realizing that Branagh actually agrees with them somewhat.

The problems come when we get to TDW and it's clear that Taylor or the writers had NO idea where to go with the Jane character. Unlike the first film, she was written horribly. I thought it was awful that she was so affected by Thor that aparently(according to Darcy) she spent all her time moping about him, to the point where she didn't even shower and get out of bed! This was the film that was supposed to explore how the two felt about one another but it was just handled so poorly and Taylor has admitted as such. Here's an excerpt he gave about Thor and Jane for TDW.

“It’s funny. We agonized for a long time,” said Taylor. “We thought the movie was about whether they got together or not. I think it came down shockingly late in the process that it felt sort of implicit that they were going to be together. So I think that point the reveal of… this is also a spoiler…”
Taylor continued, “Who you have on the throne… was such a jarring thing that you couldn’t follow anything else. So just that process, the finishing of Jane and Thor, wound up being a feel-good moment, but not a big story moment. The feeling was that instead of explaining why they were together, we just left them be together and then the final, final shot was one of my favorites. It was very late in the game, too.”



So they didn't want to explain why these two want to get together, going into the film they didn't even KNOW if they wanted the two together, they apparently thought the whole movie was about whether they were gonna get together when it's anything but, and the final insult is that the reveal that they actually get together(remember, this WAS what the whole movie was about ) was BURIED in the after credit's sequence! It wasn't even important enough to put in the main body of the film!! Just awful. Branagh would have never let that kinda travesty happen if he had directed the second film


I was a huge fan of Jane and Thor in the first film. The second one just couldn't be bothered to adequately the develop their relationship. Going forward into the 3rd film, I'd like them to make a sincere effort in fixing these two, but if they'er going to put in as much effort as they did with the 2nd( which is none) I'd rather they just not bother.

 

[Fosterson]

I think all the problems with Thor and Jane are people's expectations. Branagh made it clear in his commentray of the first film that these two characters were NOT in love with one another. There is no great love between them. By film's end he said it could be something more and that it was something the two wanted to explore, hence their desire to see one another, but again no love or anything. But for some reason a lot of people jumped to the conclusion that they were in love or something and complained about how ridiculous that was since they only knew each other for 3 days. They basically used that as an excuse as to why they were a poor couple, not realizing that Branagh actually agrees with them somewhat.

The problems come when we get to TDW and it's clear that Taylor or the writers had NO idea where to go with the Jane character. Unlike the first film, she was written horribly. I thought it was awful that she was so affected by Thor that aparently(according to Darcy) she spent all her time moping about him, to the point where she didn't even shower and get out of bed! This was the film that was supposed to explore how the two felt about one another but it was just handled so poorly and Taylor has admitted as such. Here's an excerpt he gave about Thor and Jane for TDW.

“It’s funny. We agonized for a long time,” said Taylor. “We thought the movie was about whether they got together or not. I think it came down shockingly late in the process that it felt sort of implicit that they were going to be together. So I think that point the reveal of… this is also a spoiler…”
Taylor continued, “Who you have on the throne… was such a jarring thing that you couldn’t follow anything else. So just that process, the finishing of Jane and Thor, wound up being a feel-good moment, but not a big story moment. The feeling was that instead of explaining why they were together, we just left them be together and then the final, final shot was one of my favorites. It was very late in the game, too.”



So they didn't want to explain why these two want to get together, going into the film they didn't even KNOW if they wanted the two together, they apparently thought the whole movie was about whether they were gonna get together when it's anything but, and the final insult is that the reveal that they actually get together(remember, this WAS what the whole movie was about ) was BURIED in the after credit's sequence! It wasn't even important enough to put in the main body of the film!! Just awful. Branagh would have never let that kinda travesty happen if he had directed the second film


I was a huge fan of Jane and Thor in the first film. The second one just couldn't be bothered to adequately the develop their relationship. Going forward into the 3rd film, I'd like them to make a sincere effort in fixing these two, but if they'er going to put in as much effort as they did with the 2nd( which is none) I'd rather they just not bother.

Their relationship was certainly dealt with poorly in the second film (like a lot of things in that movie, ahem). However, I disagree about them not having a plan in the first place. The ending of the movie was originally completely different. In the original cut, Thor woke up in Jane's apartment few days after the fight with Malekith, recovering from his injuries. Thor and Jane then had a big scene where they discussed why or why not they should be together. I dunno why it was cut, but a lot of things in the production process of that movie didn't make much sense lol.

 

[Fosterson]

The problem for many people is that there's a lot more "telling" than "showing" here. We're constantly TOLD that Thor/Jane have this great love for each other, or that she's "changed" him. The problem for many people is that they haven't done a good job of SHOWING that in a convincing manner. Craig Kyle can say whatever he wants, but if it's convince in-context, then it doesn't work.

I think it's safe to assume that one of Marvel Studios top execs has a fair understanding of what he's talking about.

If you don't get Thor and Jane's relationship, read these two detailed character studies:

http://consultingcupcake.tumblr.com/post/57987816665/desert-allies-women-in-thor-pt-4

http://consultingcupcake.tumblr.com/post/57811703654/the-genius-women-in-thor-pt-3

Finally, if Jane didn't change Thor, then who did? Because it sure as hell wasn't Selvig or Coulson.

 

[Steamteck]

Actually yeah... yeah it has. Maybe you don't ship it, but it works. If I have to post cheesy fanvids to back up my stance then so be it:

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Thor and Jane is like Clark and Lois, Thor and Sif is like Clark and WW. Two characters that are the same being together is lame. I doubt their relationship will go sour. There is a reason the final scene of Thor: The Dark World was Thor returning to Earth to be with Jane and planting a passionate kiss on her.

I prefer Sif but Jane does connect Thor to us earthlings and this incarnation is way better than the comic one. Darcy however, was amusing in the first one but a little goes a long way. I started to actively dislike her in TDW.

 

[RedRose]

I know this will never happen but I would love it if they put Loki and Sif together. In the ancient Norse myths she had an affair with him while married to Thor.

 

[DOBSON10]

I would have preferred the Thor/Sif duo but I think that ship has sailed at this point. I just hope Jaimie Alexander gets ALOT more to do in Thor 3. She's been wasted thus far.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Love Jaimie Alexander. She would have made a great Wonder Woman.

 

[Rorschach2012]

this girl should've used her native accent. good actress usually, but I can't stand her as Sif because her accent is Jonathan Harker/Keanu Reeves bad. I'm very glad she isn't Wonder Woman. Her attitude towards that character and DC comes off very poorly as well....

 

[Wildcard]

Really? I haven't ever had a problem with her accent...thought it was pretty good in both films, actually.

 

[Warhammer]

I'm glad Jane Foster is out. It means not much of Earth and definitely no Darcy. JUST MAKE SIF THE LOVE INTEREST IN THIS FILM.

 

[guyisnotcool]

I'm glad Jane Foster is out. It means not much of Earth and definitely no Darcy. JUST MAKE SIF THE LOVE INTEREST IN THIS FILM.

Apparently Tessa's character is Thor's new love interest. Poor Sif can't catch a break

 

[ALittlePush]

Apparently Tessa's character is Thor's new love interest. Poor Sif can't catch a break

I can't see how they can give Thor a new love interest without making him look like a cheat. Last time we saw Thor and Jane together was at the end of TDW where Thor inadvertently left Loki on Asgard's throne and returned to Earth to be with Jane. Next time we saw Thor was in AoU where at the end he travelled back to Asgard to find answers. There was no mention that he and Jane had parted ways etc.

As far as the audience are aware Jane and Thor are still a couple at the end of AOU. A passing "they broke up" speech in Ragnarok isn't going to cut it.

Thor is either unaware of Sif's feelings for him or wilfully ignoring them, but he doesn't seem to have any romantic leanings towards Sif in the films. Thing is though, he's had two films with Sif and hasn't reciprocated her feelings, why would he suddenly be lusting after a character we've not met before when he is supposedly in a relationship with another previously established character?

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I'm glad Jane Foster is out. It means not much of Earth and definitely no Darcy. JUST MAKE SIF THE LOVE INTEREST IN THIS FILM.

Me too. I think Darcy was an unnecessary character...and I like Silvic so I wouldn't have minded him taking all of Darcy's screen time.

Anyway, I love Sif. Though Jaimie either being less in Thor 3 or not at all has me worried. Why establish a character from the beginning and not utilize her throughout? Same goes with the Warriors 3

 

[Wildcard]

Jane and Darcy are officially out?! YES!

This is great news & gives me hope for what this third outing can be. Gives me more faith that they'll fix everything that was wrong with TDW.

 

[RoryTate]

Personally I hope that they only show some sexual "tension" between Thor and Sif, and nothing more than that. I pray that they skip the "love interest" type plots this time, and just focus on telling a good "it's the end of the world...no songs will be sung about our noble deaths"-type story. The Jane - Thor reconciliation storyline in TDW brought the movie to a screeching halt just as badly as the Bruce - Natasha romance did in AoU. It's Thor: Ragnarok. The end of everything. A love story is completely out of place.

To the writers/producers/etc: please use Sif right this time, because she's a great character in so many Thor stories, and you've got the perfect actress for her, so it would be a true shame to waste both.

 

[MbJ]

As far as the audience are aware Jane and Thor are still a couple at the end of AOU. A passing "they broke up" speech in Ragnarok isn't going to cut it.

That actually is used all the time in franchise movies when the love interest doesn't want to come back. It's a tried and true method.

Thing is though, he's had two films with Sif and hasn't reciprocated her feelings, why would he suddenly be lusting after a character we've not met before when he is supposedly in a relationship with another previously established character?

Easy. He just isn't attracted to her. She's beautiful and a good friend but it's possible he doesn't see her in that way. Saying he can't have a new love interest because he's ignored Sif's advances doesn't really work when in real life plenty of people fall for people who aren't in their social circles.

 

[ALittlePush]

That actually is used all the time in franchise movies when the love interest doesn't want to come back. It's a tried and true method.

That's true and they seem to have pulled that card with Tony and Pepper in Captain America: Civil War. However, I think in Thor's case it's different. In TDW we had both Odin and Loki warn Thor that, because of Jane's mortality, he's going to have to say goodbye to Jane sooner or later. The last time we saw Jane, she and Thor were embracing. There was no hint in AoU that Thor and Jane were having problems before Thor had to depart back to Asgard. You'd think Thor would at least be a bit downcast if he and Jane broke up since he risked a lot for her. His lack of emotion about a potential break up in AoU suggests to me that things are ok between Jane and Thor.

Easy. He just isn't attracted to her. She's beautiful and a good friend but it's possible he doesn't see her in that way. Saying he can't have a new love interest because he's ignored Sif's advances doesn't really work when in real life plenty of people fall for people who aren't in their social circles.

Yes, but Thor suddenly dropping Jane and falling for this previously unheard of character just reeks of a Mary Sue. Also, as has been pointed out above by RoryTate, a love story would seem out of place in a movie where the world was ending because there would be more pressing matters at hand than Thor gazing into some woman's eyes.