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Discussion in 'MCU X-Men' started by Lily Adler, Sep 9, 2022.
Same here. I don't know what @Shinobi Shaw is talking about.
Right, because it makes perfect sense, and I'm sure there would be no complaints, if Marvel Studios' debut X-Men lineup consisted of random characters like Synch, Trinary, Bishop, Sunfire, Jubilee & Forge, and not the main X-Men whom which the entire franchise, and it's mythology, are built around.
This gesture to "use the (mostly c-list) minority characters from the comics" is disingenuous, because it's not at all practical in execution, and you know this.
I wonder if Marvel Studios would use Ultimate X-Men eXclusive characters like Magician.
That character never crossed over to Earth-616 in the comiX.
It’s going to be interesting to see how the mcu would handle someone like Graydon creed if Trump looses. Like obviously if he wins the xmen become even more potent but if he looses maybe they would minimise him as a threat compared to if he won
So this is the new rumour now.
Look what Ryan Reynolds dragged in.
As long as he isn't Gambit.
Ryan Reynolds probably remembers when Channing Magic Remy Lebeau joined him and the other foX actors at comic con!
Yeah this sucks.
If Im not mistaken the MCU World is 3 years ahead of us so it is now 2025 in the MCU if the first MCU X-Men movie will come out after Avengers Secret Wars then if the X-Men movie comes out in 2026 or 2027 it will mean that the MCU X-Men wont appear in the MCU World until 2029 or 2030 this is unbelievable and is a lot time since the events of Ironman 1 in 2008 its crazy how the MCU has evolved during all these years
There would have been 43 MCU movies relessed from Iron Man to Avengers: Secret Wars in May 2, 2026.
Forge and Jubilee make perfect sense for an MCU X-Men movie. Can't believe you listed them as random characters. Storm and Psylocke are also pretty easy bets. At that point, you already have a pretty diverse team. Then we have characters covering different countries and religions like Kurt, Kitty, and Piotr. LGBT representation through Iceman most likely.
Now, does that mean I'm opposed to characters being racebend? If it's done well, enhances the character, and works within the story. Why not. For Charles and Erik, it might work, depending on the execution. Especially because we've already had several versions of these characters and the MCU will want them to be distinct.
I also think Namor was great in Wakanda Forever. But I feel it's a bit disingenuous that some people in this thread try to paint a picture like all mutants in the comics are like straight white people from the US. Almost any configuration of an X-Men team will be more diverse than the Avengers. Even if they don't race bend any of them.
I'm tired of having this conversation, but it's disingenuous to say the X-Men are not mostly white. Go ahead and count how many POC characters we'll find in comparition to the white ones.
Like what, these?
One black woman among all those classic characters is diverse for you? Really?
Eternals is 10x more diverse than these teams. And the difference is that Eternals and Avengers don't stand for diversity and oppressed people like the X-Men.
4 POC characters? Really? To every 4 POCs, you have Scott, Jean, Logan, Beast, Bobby, Angel, Kitty, Piotr, Emma, Gambit, Rogue, Lorna, Alex, Alison, Xavier, Rachel, Banshee, Laura, Cable, Illyana, etc...
Don't get me started on queer representation in the MCU.
That is not what I said at all, but I guess if you want to reduce my argument to that, we have nothing to talk about.
Me: proposing parts of a potential X-Men team for the MCU that includes several POC characters, 2 LGBT characters, 4 female characters, and more internationally focused than the more US-based Avengers. Alongside saying that race bending Magneto and Xavier might work if they execute it well.
So yeah, I'm done here.
Yes, because you know the X-Men is not diverse enough and still mostly white, like I said. To every 4 POC characters that in your eyes would already be "pretty diverse", there are 20+ white ones.
Characters that I wasn't advocating to be in said MCU movie or for the movie to focus on. You're also conveniently leaving out that I underlined twice I'm not against race-bending. Now if you can stop tagging me here that would be great.
Yes, a very diverse X-Men team.
You can worry about this when they are all adapted in the mcu. I don't want to see Magik, X-23, Cable and Prestige in the X-Men. I'd include them in spin offs, but not proper X-Men. The thing is even if we mention every POC X-Men from the 60s to 2020s:
It is never enough for you... the good thing is the comiX hasn't ended and Marvel Comics could introduce new characters that Marvel Studios could use in the movies. Problem solved.
Also, I doubt Marvel Studios would adapt all 95 X-Men (from 60s to 20s) from the comiX, we'd be lucky to see Marvel Studios' X-Men 6 at this rate.
I don't know why you would propose that line up without my favorite X-Men Psylocke! thats so random!
Yeah I would like that. Those are still X-Men characters/members at the end of the day.
Bishop, Forge and Jubilee ain't random. You intentionally left out Psylocke and Storm. Synch is a current member in the comiX. Sunfire was too.
Definitely not enough for me for obvious reasons.
Again what are the chances we would see all those characters as X-Men, for you to compile those names and have such a reaction when people suggest Marvel Studios should use poc X-Men Storm, Psylocke, Bishop, Jubilee, Cecilia, Sunfire, Armor, Synch, Thunderbird, Thunderbird III, Sway, Gentle, M, Trinary, Omega Sentinel, Sunspot, Mirage, Karma instead of racebending X-Men?
X-Men members like Longshot, BoX, Dr. Nemesis, Domino, Boom Boom, Cypher, Lifeguard, Slipstream, Multiple Man, Stacy X, Changeling, Vulcan, Petra, Joseph, Lady Mastermind, Sabretooth, Juggernaut, Legion, Xorn, Husk, Magma, Honey Badger, Prestige, Nate Grey Wolfsbane, Ink, Pyro and Mimic probably won't even appear as a X-Man/X-Woman unless you think Marvel Studios could make X-Men 10 11 12 and so on. Thats literally a Marvel Studios' Longshot from happening.
I was also mentioning X-Men, not the ones who didn't join the team in the comiX, in the first place.
Still the most diverse Marvel IP in the comiX.
Now if you think for every 4 POC introduced in X-Men Mcu, there would be 20 Caucasians... maybe you could complain but we aren't in that point yet.
Also diversity isn't just color of the skin.... there's culture, origin of country. Living in America isn't the same as living in Russia and living in Iceland.
You know if you have seen those pictures again and again, and you would realize there's only a dozen of main caucasian X-Men
2. The Wolverine
3. The Professor
4. Marvel Girl
Include Magneto and Emma to that list, if you want them to join the X-Man in these films. The rest like Havok, Polaris and Banshee aren't as popular as Storm, Psylocke, Jubilee and in the same level of importance as Bishop and Forge. While Rachel Summers and Nate Grey haven't even appeared outside of the comiX!
Its not 50/50, but including lesser known characters like Cecilia, Sunfire and M wouldn't hurt. And those three could be as popular as Shang-Chi and GOTG (former obscure characters), thats THREE more well known Poc X-Men for you. I'd rather see them than racebend Cyclops and Jean.
The rest like Cable, Domino, Magik, Multiple Man, Wolfsbane, Cannonball, Strong Guy are mainstays of the splinter teams and don't need to be included in the X-Men.
It's kinda wild to think some of our oiyrX-Men may not have even been born when the first Iron Man happened (2008)
But here's the problem with this, the reason why it reads as disingenuous to cite these characters-- sure, numerically, X-Men has more minority characters than any other Marvel IP, but, simply existing doesn't = to story, narrative, or character focus. The vast majority of these characters were either one-offs (Synch, Trinary, Sunfire Oya etc) or, were prevalent for a period, but haven't relevant in decades (Forge, Jubilee, Kwannon and arguably even Storm).
Now am I saying that Marvel Studios should never use these characters? Ofc not, some of them are really great characters, with interesting stories. But let's not pretend for even a second, that the X-Men mythology is, in any way, shape or form, built around them.
Let's be honest, almost all of the white X-Men, would benefit, narratively from race lifting-- some more than others (e.g. Cyclops, Rogue, Beast), but most would. It would allow the writers to add meaningful* text, by highlighting minority experiences through mutancy, instead of just mapping those experience onto white people.
This franchise can finally transcend from an "outdated metaphor for civil rights", into something more relevant for today's age.
The narrative focus is, and always has been, on the straight white characters.
In fact, the reason why there *are so many c-list minority characters, is because the writers have recognized the problem inherent with this franchise, which is a minority allegory being focused on straight white people, but it's almost impossible to correct this in the comics due to continuity, sales, and brand (established by the OGs), so these characters keep disappearing into obsecurity.
There's only one solution to this problem, that will have meaningful, and lasting effect, and that is, to change the faces of the franchise. Something only Feige is in a position to do, since he isn't bound by 50 years of continuity