The Official Michael Shannon IS General Zod - Part 1

[echostation]

octoberbeist... mad at what... I was mad there was no main villain in Superman Returns... turns out that film was complete ****... even as a kid i was annoyed about hearing about a made up Nuclear Man... the film turned out to be complete ****.

Me getting annoyed or mad about a comic book film especially Superman so far has been accurate in that those films have been utter ****...

 

[Donut]

I mean, if they foreshadow Metello or even Parasite, that would be cool.

Well if this movie tanks they will probably just say **** Superman & give up the rights

 

[dark_b]

I think the most unique feature of Shannon's is his face, especially his jawline. So I would be against him wearing a beard.

so true. he has a fantastic face for a villain. to hide it with a beard would be stupid

 

[Nathan]

I hope no one at WB is surprised though by the inital backlash. People disliked the entire Donner rehash in Returns. And now that we have the chance to start completely new, they announce Zod as the villain. Just... why?

 

[dark_b]

Zod brings more than just being a villain tho

its how you writte a villain right? a f.... teddy bear could be a better villain then Zod if you know how to writte.

it sounds like they wrotte the best Zod villain but if they would use any other villain they would do a bad writting job.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm personally hoping Zod is the warm-up for Brainiac in the sequel.

That would be nice.

I for one would be strangely fascinated in seeing Snyder's take on Nuclear Man.

I can see why people are apprehensive of Zod. I am too, but I'm open minded enough that something special can be made out of it.

I agree with many that I hope we get to see some foreshadowing to future villains, like Brainiac.

I'm opened minded about it but it wouldn't be fair to criticize Singer for rehashing things and not Goyer/Nolan/WB/Snyder.

 

[Donut]

Well at least the WB has to be happy about the positive response to the Mortal Kombat Web Series. They got that at least

 

[Project862006]

zod is much more interesting than say metallo imo

zod i'nts just a villain he brings some emotional weight to clark

 

[Donut]

So at the end of the end credits instead of saying Superman will return we will get a Lex Luthor & Zod will return again I bet if they did that

 

[dark_b]

Well at least the WB has to be happy about the positive response to the Mortal Kombat Web Series. They got that at least

fans are 95% happy with the superman news. casting is perfect. Snyder is an action director and fans prayed for action.

 

[Donut]

fans are 95% happy with the superman news. casting is perfect. Snyder is an action director and fans prayed for action.

I doubt think anyone is complaining about the casting. They are complaining about the use of Zod. The casting is fine but Zod is not it seems

 

[Nathan]

zod is much more interesting than say metallo imo

zod i'nts just a villain he brings some emotional weight to clark

As would Brainiac if you use the TAS angle.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'm honestly still trying to figure as to why so many people have a issue with Zod.

As I recall, no one had problems with Joker being used in TDK, and given that this film is a reintroduction towards the General Audience, I would imagine that Zod would be presented in a different light than he was in Donner's film.

Furthermore, IF this film really is a Origin story, then Zod would serve as a perfect villain imho that would present enough of a challenge for Superman as his first main villain that he encounters.

Honestly, the problem with using Brainiac is that he's too big of a villain for Superman to face in his early days imho, and he deserves to have a film where his introduction isn't crowded up with Superman's origin story.

Furthermore, which villain would they use then for the sequel that could top Brainiac unless it was Darkseid? And IF Darkseid was used in the second film, who could they use that would top him in the third film?

If Zod was used in the second film, then it would gain more negative reviews of being similar to SII.

Zod was in a Superman movie....31 (32 when MoS gets released) years ago. I don't think the general public remembers him that much and if they do, I doubt they care. Besides, this is going to be a different version of Zod and not the same one from Superman II. As for cool powers...Zod has the same powers as Superman. Then there's also the technology that they didn't have back then.

IMO, the choice of villain isn't what's going to make this movie good or bad. It's only the fans that complain about Zod.

I can see why people are apprehensive of Zod. I am too, but I'm open minded enough that something special can be made out of it.

I agree with many that I hope we get to see some foreshadowing to future villains, like Brainiac.

Thank you. Some sensible people in this thread. I'm not saying you can't have your opinion, but to automatically dismiss it and lose faith is foolish.

I don't get why people think using Zod is a rehash? Just because he was used before doesn't mean we're getting the same thing. And this also doesn't mean we're getting Superman 2 all over again. I guess using the Joker and Two Face again is a rehash. This isn't about the lack of villains we've seen in the past Superman films, I can understand why people are upset about that, but it's about people thinking this is suddenly a rehash.

"Oh, My God, they're using Zod again, so that means it's going to connect to the Donner films."

I seem to remember Snyder repeatedly saying this has no ties. They're making decisions as storytellers first. And right now, Zod seems to be the most right to include first. Hold off on Braniac in a sequel. They could have easily used Braniac or someone else, but they seemed to have gone with Zod for a reason.

I'm confident we're getting something different. People only have Superman II stuck in their heads too much and automotically get worried and hate it without thinking why maybe they chose to use him. Relax.

 

[Octoberist]

Well if this movie tanks they will probably just say **** Superman & give up the rights

Considering that the family probably needs DC in the long run b/c they probably won't go to Marvel b/c Marvel already has their heroes to deal with, and they won't pony up the money.

And they won't go indy b/c they'll own only 1/4 of the established characters Superman has. They won't own Brainiac, Darkseid, Metello, or even the Superman logo (They'll own the old Superman 'S' from the 30s/40s)

 

[KalMart]

That would be nice.



I'm opened minded about it but it wouldn't be fair to criticize Singer for rehashing things and not Goyer/Nolan/WB/Snyder.

Wouldn't it be safe to assume that they're treating this as a brand new version of Zod...just like the brand new version of Lois, Supes, Jimmy, etc. that have been in every film....unlike Singer who specifically framed his movie in the 'Donnerverse'?

 

[Octoberist]

May I add that Goyer would have to explain the concept of the 'Phantom Zone'. To be, the Phantom Zone is too much but... But if not, perhaps Goyer could find a way to preserve Zod and Ursa in a different manner.

Maybe they're pawns of Brainiac, and he granted them longevity if they do his bidding.. Maybe Zod invented Brainiac and left Krypton long before it exploded, and were in cyro-frozen. I don't know.

Also, Zod wouldn't know 'English' would he?

 

[Project862006]

As would Brainiac if you use the TAS angle.

do you really want a powerful villain like branaic to take on a non season superman early in his years

there was a reason Wayne did'nt face the joker in batman begins because he was still early in his run

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I remember people saying "relax" and that we weren't getting a rehash of "Superman: The Movie" when the villain and plot were revealed for Returns in 2005/2006. Love, hate or meh on that film, it was a rehash.

Again I'm not giving up on the film because of this news because Shannon is a good and interesting actor so something good could be done with the character but I'm not going to pretend that I'm not disappointed at this conformation of Zod.

 

[Octoberist]

Also, people, Goyer and Nolan has used characters like Scarecrow, Ra's, even Lucius Fox, and now, Bane and Catwoman. I'm sure Goyer's take on Superman will be loaded with surprised too.

 

[Marx]

I am a little thrown by Shannon's casting...

 

[Octoberist]

I remember people saying "relax" and that we weren't getting a rehash of "Superman: The Movie" when the villain and plot were revealed for Returns in 2005/2006. Love, hate or meh on that film, it was a rehash.

Again I'm not giving up on the film because of this news because Shannon is a good and interesting actor so something good could be done with the character but I'm not going to pretend that I'm not disappointed at this conformation of Zod.

If Gerald Butler was cast as Zod, THEN I wouldn't give a crap about Zod and would bezerk.

 

[Krumm]

Yeah, I'm not convinced that Zod will be the only villain in the film. He may not even be a villain -- he might just be in the film (S:TM anyone?).

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Also, people, Goyer and Nolan has used characters like Scarecrow, Ra's, even Lucius Fox, and now, Bane and Catwoman. I'm sure Goyer's take on Superman will be loaded with surprised too.

And bad dialogue. I keed, I keed.

Seriously though, I'm not even one of the haters of this idea, I'm one of the pretty disappointeds but I'm not hating on it.

And I would have been 50% less interested if Buttler were cast as Zod. He's a bad actor IMHO.

 

[Nathan]

do you really want a powerful villain like branaic to take on a non season superman early in his years

there was a reason Wayne did'nt face the joker in batman begins because he was still early in his run

How is Zod any different? He has all of Superman's powers and actually has the combat training that a non season Superman wouldn't have.

 

[Alonsovich]

The lack of a Lex Luthor casting at this point is rather interesting...