The Official Mitt Romney Thread III

[echostation]

we should just all set up photo ops to show ourselves cleaning absolutely clean soup bowls...

 

[SV Fan]

Who ever wrote the Unborn Victims of violence law 'believes' that a fertilized egg is a person because it states that a baby in utero in ANY stage of developement is considered murdered if the mother is killed and the baby is lost. IS this from a religious angle? Are you opposed to this law?

Out of curiosity what do you think about the morning after pill?

 

[echostation]

I'm a Republican but I don't get the deal to opposition to gay marriage. It's totally fine and I don't see the problem. Other countries have legalized it and their worlds aren't ending... if anything, those countries in general (of course has nothing to do with gay marriage) have better health care statistics, better life expectancy, higher literacy and many other higher scoring variables than we do. I just feel the republican party has been hi-jacked by such so called "moralists" when they're ass-backwards moral extremists who to me are not true Republicans. If you look at the stats, divorce rates are highest among Evangelical Christians... strange... yet they harp on this moral trump card.

I've been personally told by other "Republicans" at meetings and rallies that I'm going to hell as I'm not of the faith. What the **** kind of politics is this? Separation of Church and State? Fail. Clannish Exclusive behavior? Check. Who loses? The party big time.

The Tories in the UK aren't anywhere NEAR as religiously conservative as the extreme right wing are here it's ridiculous. I have friends from the UK (die hard conservatives) who absolutely hate the republican party here due to how morally ass backwards they are in their social thinking. I feel this sort of crap will eventually be the undoing of the Republican party which is sad as I'm proud to be a Republican.

At the end for gay marriage... I just don't see what the big deal is, so what if two willing consenting adults love each other are of the same sex. If you were to go by Happiness Index like a few other countries do, this country would be a lot happier and productivity would increase... at least it's thought to hehe.

I hope for Romney's sake should he get elected that he's more of a moderate and doesn't play on Evangelical or/either neo-conservative (which is NOT true Republicanism at all) crap. Bush to me was not a true Republican, he was neo-conservative which is a failed stupid set of beliefs that leads to no where but failure, much like 99% of his presidency.

 

[SV Fan]

I'm a Republican but I don't get the deal to opposition to gay marriage. It's totally fine and I don't see the problem. Other countries have legalized it and their worlds aren't ending... if anything, those countries in general (of course has nothing to do with gay marriage) have better health care statistics, better life expectancy, higher literacy and many other higher scoring variables than we do. I just feel the republican party has been hi-jacked by such so called "moralists" when they're ass-backwards moral extremists who to me are not true Republicans. If you look at the stats, divorce rates are highest among Evangelical Christians... strange... yet they harp on this moral trump card.

I think it's a case that the conservative Christians have this feeling that they somehow have a monopoly on marriage and the Republicans pander to them for votes. Best case scenario for Romney with Gay marriage is he leaves everything status quo, worst case he feels forced to sign into law anything the Republican house sign in

 

[Spider‐Man]

I like you. And because I do (and since I'm already disgusted with certain personalities in this forum), I'm going to work really , REALLY hard to post the following thought in the most tactful way possible:

Religion and Politics should not mix. When they do, unmitigated s*** happens that divides all of us into factions. And I'm not just talking about Christianity. All of it. Think about it: Religion (Islamic beliefs in particular, albeit extreme) is what authored the events of September 11th and virtually every other war this country has ever been a part of. Now the GOP is using it to govern the inner-workings of women's vaginas for god's sake (pun absolutely intended).

When Americans finally get off their high horse and stop imposing their religious beliefs on others, everything will be better. Interestingly enough, both my partner Jason and I are Christian. And yet we are banned from having Christmas dinner from either of our families. It's truly heartbreaking but it's even worse when politicians get their hands on it and try to tell us that we're not even *really* married.

You know, LS, I’ve been on here since near the beginning in one ID or another, back when it was just Spider-ManHype. You were always one of my favorite mods (besides Kel – still think that post a few pages back is funny. Busted!) and we used to have some great discussions and debates. They say 2 things you should never discuss is religion and politics and here we are, bunch of idiots, refusing to heed that advice and talking about both! I never came on this board to discuss politics, I came on here to talk of our shared love of comics and superheroes. But here we are.

I don’t think I have ever tried to push my religious views on anyone. I don’t see defending the life of an unborn child as coming from any religious view, just from common decency. When I cut the cord on both my children and held them for the first time, the thought that had she wanted to, just moments before my wife could have terminated their lives made me sick. If I saw someone being attacked I could jump in and help them (have done so before) but to think that a little being who is completely incapable of defending themselves at all could have their lives so taken for granted really gets me emotional. I try not to get personal but the thought that anyone could have such a casual attitude as to say in essence: ‘Eh, it’s the woman’s body. Let her terminate the pregnancy of she wants to’ makes me not feel very friendly to that person. Forget whether it is her first or FIFTY first abortion, it’s her body, hell with the baby. But I have to temper that by reminding myself that it all comes down to what we believe and some people just can’t bring themselves to believe that a baby is actually ‘alive’ until separate from the mom and breathing on its own. I’ve known people who worked in abortion clinics and had to leave saying it was absolutely horrible. I think a lot of people can have such cavalier attitudes about it because they are distanced from it and have never seen what really happens. I think if more did, not nearly as many would hold the idea that the unborn baby is just some lump of lifeless matter. If they are going to perform abortions, show them on the medical channels like they do with all the other brain surgeries, coronary bypasses and such. That might make it a bit more real for some people.

As for gay marriage I don’t think I could explain my views any more thoroughly than I already have. I was raised in a Christian home. Yet in my hell raising years, I used to slay ‘em. I had countless meaningless drunken-after-the-bar-closed-trysts with girls whose names I couldn’t remember the next morning. I knew that based on what I believed that what I was dong was wrong. I wished it wasn’t ‘cause it sure was fun. But didn’t change what I believed to be true.

I mean, you state you are a Christian. Christians base what they believe in the Bible. Do you believe the Bible approves of homosexuality?

IN closing, I am so sorry about the situation with your family and let me say they are completely wrong for the way they treat you and your partner. As I said, my sister is gay but one thing we all hold true is that family is the most important thing. I hope I haven’t offended you with anything I’ve said but won’t apologize for my beliefs. As I said, I have personally offended more of my beliefs than you probably ever will.

One last thing since I decided to bring up my carousing past, one of my closest friends at the time was gay (and black) and we used to have the best times but inevitably, every so often when we were heavy in the drink, he would proposition me. I never held this against him because I think everyone at one time or ten, in drunken moments, has propositioned a friend or two who they were attracted to. I simply put my arm around his shoulders told him I loved him but that it would be a cold day in hell before I was intimate with him any ANY other dude. Then I’d drive him home (cause I wouldn’t have him walk 3 blocks at 3 am in his condition – like I should have really been driving, but anyway - in the cold) to his apartment and crash on his couch. I tell this story to try and dispel the myth (though I’m sure it will live on, grow even) that just because someone is conservative doesn’t mean they are homophobic or hate gays.

Now I’m going back over to the comic section and argue with people about the latest crap that is the new imagining of Spider-Man!

 

[Spider‐Man]

Out of curiosity what do you think about the morning after pill?

I guess I dont have a problem with that. I don't disagree that there is a gray area. My main emphasis is in regards to the suffering of the baby. THere are clear indications early in developement that embryos can feel sensation, including pain. I'm sure there is no such sensation the morning after conception. AS far as I know 6-7 weeks is the erliest time we can see signs of life (heartbeat) so I guess I would cal that the gray area. BUt as I've said you have people advocating for the woman;sright to abort up to and including partway thru delivery, for God's sake.

 

[SV Fan]

I guess I dont have a problem with that. I don't disagree that there is a gray area. My main emphasis is in regards to the suffering of the baby. THere are clear indications early in developement that embryos can feel sensation, including pain. I'm sure there is no such sensation the morning after conception. AS far as I know 6-7 weeks is the erliest time we can see signs of life (heartbeat) so I guess I would cal that the gray area. BUt as I've said you have people advocating for the woman;sright to abort up to and including partway thru delivery, for God's sake.

I think most people that are pro life will say no latter then first trimester, but you always do have extremists on any side of the issue. I think we see in this current debate the Republicans are losing the argument on abortion because you have people arguing the extreme right's POV and it's a turn off even if you are against abortion in most cases, the left is definitely not really stating at what point it will stop

As I said I personally think abortion is wrong but what turns me off about the right's extremists is

1. They seem to wiggle there ways into many state legislators and created some of the most ridiculous any abortion laws

2. The seem to keep their head in the sand when it comes to any ideas how to stop pregnancies in the first place, just standing on the idea we should have abstinence(which is good in theory but unrealistic in reality)

It basically just seems like some want a my way only as a resolution to how we should handle abortion and the after effects if somebody does have the kid with no wiggle room that doesn't allow for compromise.

 

[Hobgoblin]

I'm a Republican but I don't get the deal to opposition to gay marriage. It's totally fine and I don't see the problem. Other countries have legalized it and their worlds aren't ending... if anything, those countries in general (of course has nothing to do with gay marriage) have better health care statistics, better life expectancy, higher literacy and many other higher scoring variables than we do. I just feel the republican party has been hi-jacked by such so called "moralists" when they're ass-backwards moral extremists who to me are not true Republicans. If you look at the stats, divorce rates are highest among Evangelical Christians... strange... yet they harp on this moral trump card.

I've been personally told by other "Republicans" at meetings and rallies that I'm going to hell as I'm not of the faith. What the **** kind of politics is this? Separation of Church and State? Fail. Clannish Exclusive behavior? Check. Who loses? The party big time.

The Tories in the UK aren't anywhere NEAR as religiously conservative as the extreme right wing are here it's ridiculous. I have friends from the UK (die hard conservatives) who absolutely hate the republican party here due to how morally ass backwards they are in their social thinking. I feel this sort of crap will eventually be the undoing of the Republican party which is sad as I'm proud to be a Republican.

At the end for gay marriage... I just don't see what the big deal is, so what if two willing consenting adults love each other are of the same sex. If you were to go by Happiness Index like a few other countries do, this country would be a lot happier and productivity would increase... at least it's thought to hehe.

I hope for Romney's sake should he get elected that he's more of a moderate and doesn't play on Evangelical or/either neo-conservative (which is NOT true Republicanism at all) crap. Bush to me was not a true Republican, he was neo-conservative which is a failed stupid set of beliefs that leads to no where but failure, much like 99% of his presidency.

I'm a Democrat but to you, Sir. You're the kind of Republican that I can respect.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Where is that gif that shows the guy's head exploding?

No. Really. Where is it?

 

[Kelly]

That is about as annoying as the laughing man emoticon...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Sure you might not agree with him using 3 ply toilet paper, little details like that. But you can live with it. But the major and most telegraphed actions of his administration, you are held on account.

For example, when his health reform (perversely) forces companies to fire/part-time people to stay under the cap. So they don't have to pay coverage and risk blowing up their margin. Everyone fired or losses money, you are responsible. This is well known.

No, I'm not responsible.

The corporations who operate on nothing more than a profit margin are responsible.

 

[Paradoxium]

No, I'm not responsible.

The corporations who operate on nothing more than a profit margin are responsible.

That makes no god damn sense. The whole point of a business is to make profit. There are many ways to go about that, ethical or unethical, but that is still the bottom line. But they don't go into business to lose money.

You are responsible. Unless you want blame the entire notion of profit making in general. You voted for policy, to incentivize small business firings. In the middle of economic stagnation. All in the name of health reform. I wonder, how people will afford healthcare and insurance when they are fired?

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Then who is responsible for the people who were fired or had their hours cut to avoid health care benefits under the previous system?

And the whole "businesses are in business to make profit, not lose money" is the exact reason why businesses aren't "job creators", they aren't in the business of creating jobs just because they get tax breaks, but that leads into a whole different argument.

You can say that I may be responsible for the policies that I voted in favor of, but I am not responsible for a businesses' unethical practice of finding loopholes to avoid supplying benefits to their employees.

 

[Paradoxium]

If they don't cut under, then they will go bankrupt and everyone is effectively fired.

How hard is that to comprehend?

 

[Paradoxium]

The worst part is, we are not even talking about giant faceless conglomerates. It's small businesses. And you're blaming them for policy created by the government. To top it off, you calling them unethical for not bleeding to the point of insolvency?

Usually when a company has tight margins, that means they don't have a huge profit. Apple has HUGE margins. So you're idea of unethical is companies with tight margins and higher employee count is bad... it makes no god damn sense.

 

[Anita18]

I guess I dont have a problem with that. I don't disagree that there is a gray area. My main emphasis is in regards to the suffering of the baby. THere are clear indications early in developement that embryos can feel sensation, including pain. I'm sure there is no such sensation the morning after conception. AS far as I know 6-7 weeks is the erliest time we can see signs of life (heartbeat) so I guess I would cal that the gray area. BUt as I've said you have people advocating for the woman;sright to abort up to and including partway thru delivery, for God's sake.

I just read this story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tamar...and-voluntary-abortion-in-ohio_b_2050888.html

For TL;DRs, it's about a woman who wanted her pregnancy, but found out the fetus didn't develop properly (its insides were growing outside the body) and would very likely die in utero. It would not be delivered alive. Both her doctor and her rabbi advised to terminante the pregnancy. But in OH, if the baby has a heartbeat (as it did when they discovered the defects) and you terminate it, then it's called a voluntary abortion and insurance won't cover it. So what were her options - waiting until the baby died (which was a health hazard), or to be treated like a murderer for a fetus that was on the verge of death?

She finally got insurance to cover it, but still had to sign all the consent forms and read all the required pamphlets, as if she really did have a choice in the matter. Instead, it was all a painful reminder of what she'd lost. Her doctor said he recently had a similar patient, who'd elected to give birth to a stillborn baby than to go through all the red tape to take out the fetus, because it would be considered a voluntary abortion and her insurance refused to cover it.

Her rabbi had an interesting take on life - for the Jewish faith (and indeed, it mentions this in the Bible), something is not considered alive until it has taken its first breath. The law of course states different, if you harm a pregnant woman, you can be charged for harming the fetus too. But for a woman undergoing a situation like the author did, that way of thinking may be helpful, to lessen the hurt.

I assure you, there are much more women who go through something like that, than women who use abortion wantonly as birth control. My last roommate had an ectopic pregnancy. You obviously have to abort that. It will kill you. She was devastated, but miscarried before she had to go under the knife.

 

[Kelly]

I just read this story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tamar...and-voluntary-abortion-in-ohio_b_2050888.html

For TL;DRs, it's about a woman who wanted her pregnancy, but found out the fetus didn't develop properly (its insides were growing outside the body) and would very likely die in utero. It would not be delivered alive. Both her doctor and her rabbi advised to terminante the pregnancy. But in OH, if the baby has a heartbeat (as it did when they discovered the defects) and you terminate it, then it's called a voluntary abortion and insurance won't cover it. So what were her options - waiting until the baby died (which was a health hazard), or to be treated like a murderer for a fetus that was on the verge of death?

She finally got insurance to cover it, but still had to sign all the consent forms and read all the required pamphlets, as if she really did have a choice in the matter. Instead, it was all a painful reminder of what she'd lost. Her doctor said he recently had a similar patient, who'd elected to give birth to a stillborn baby than to go through all the red tape to take out the fetus, because it would be considered a voluntary abortion and her insurance refused to cover it.

Her rabbi had an interesting take on life - for the Jewish faith (and indeed, it mentions this in the Bible), something is not considered alive until it has taken its first breath. The law of course states different, if you harm a pregnant woman, you can be charged for harming the fetus too. But for a woman undergoing a situation like the author did, that way of thinking may be helpful, to lessen the hurt.

I assure you, there are much more women who go through something like that, than women who use abortion wantonly as birth control. My last roommate had an ectopic pregnancy. You obviously have to abort that. It will kill you. She was devastated, but miscarried before she had to go under the knife.

I'm assuming that goes along the same lines as elective surgery? That law needs to change in Ohio then....that is ridiculous. I don't want my government dollars going for women's abortions, but if she has insurance and it can't pay for it, because of a state law, that is ridiculous.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

If they don't cut under, then they will go bankrupt and everyone is effectively fired.

How hard is that to comprehend?

And that's my fault?

If that's my fault, then am I also responsible for the death of Osama Bin Laden, since I voted for the guy who was responsible for killing him? Are people who voted for George W Bush responsible for 9/11, since they voted for the guy who's watch it happened under?

Can I personally hold every Republican and Christian voting citizen accountable for every problem that I see with this country, since I personally view Republican and Christian ideals as a detriment to American society?

Or are you beginning to see how silly it is to hold a voter responsible for a politicians actions, when a lot of what a politician does isn't what the voter voted for in the first place.

To give a much more accurate analogy - if an employer gives me a job, is he responsible if I am a bad employee and don't do the job properly? Or am I responsible, because I'm the one doing the job and I didn't do it right?

Just because our votes gave the guy the job doesn't mean we're responsible for his actions.

 

[Thundercrack85]

This whole "voters are responsible for the actions of the President" thing is stupid.

It is impossible to know many things that a candidate may do during a presidency. Are we responsible if he completely goes against everything he set out to do?

Also, a vote for a candidate isn't a proclamation of support for everything they do.

If candidate A does 5 good things, and 2 bad things, while candidate B does 5 bad things, and 2 good things, voting for candidate A doesn't mean I support the 2 bad things he does... It means I'd rather deal with 2 bad things, than to have to deal with the 5 bad things of the other guy.

It's ultimately why Obama got my vote over Romney. Not everything Obama does is going to be great. I'm not going to support everything he does. But I feel his direction is a much better direction for our country than Romney's, and the "mess" that we get is going to be a lot easier to deal with and clean up than with Romney.

To me, it's a case of 5 good things and 2 bad things from Obama, where Romney gives us 0 good things, and 10 bad things.

How does me voting for Obama mean I "support" the few bad things he's doing, when I'd rather deal with 2 problems than a ****load.

*** I shouldn't have to say this, but it's the interwebz, you always gotta cover your bases: #'s used are obviously used for purposes of example only, and not an accurate measurement of "good to bad ratio" of policy.

No it's not. It's the basis of representative government.

There has been a breakdown of the intended system. When you elect the president, you are electing a representative, not a king. If the president does something you don't like, you can tell him. If it upsets enough people (and it's something flagrantly illegal) you can potentially impeach him.

The reason this system doesn't work is because the average citizen is a self-absorbed moron with no foresight or sense of civic responsibility.

And even the few sensible people have essentially settled for "close enough".

No one in DC walked in (except the lobbyists). All of them were elected into office, by you (i.e. the citizenry).

Remember SOPA? It seemed like a sure thing that would pass. Then Wikipedia told people they'd be losing youtube and their free porn. Ten million angry e-mails and phone calls later, congress dropped it. That's how the system is supposed to work.

 

[Kelly]

And that's my fault?

If that's my fault, then am I also responsible for the death of Osama Bin Laden, since I voted for the guy who was responsible for killing him? Are people who voted for George W Bush responsible for 9/11, since they voted for the guy who's watch it happened under?

Can I personally hold every Republican and Christian voting citizen accountable for every problem that I see with this country, since I personally view Republican and Christian ideals as a detriment to American society?

Or are you beginning to see how silly it is to hold a voter responsible for a politicians actions, when a lot of what a politician does isn't what the voter voted for in the first place.

To give a much more accurate analogy - if an employer gives me a job, is he responsible if I am a bad employee and don't do the job properly? Or am I responsible, because I'm the one doing the job and I didn't do it right?

Just because our votes gave the guy the job doesn't mean we're responsible for his actions.

haha....that's funny, cause I see that a lot around here...

 

[Fading]

Sure you might not agree with him using 3 ply toilet paper, little details like that. But you can live with it. But the major and most telegraphed actions of his administration, you are held on account.

For example, when his health reform (perversely) forces companies to fire/part-time people to stay under the cap. So they don't have to pay coverage and risk blowing up their margin. Everyone fired or losses money, you are responsible. This is well known.

I'm not totatlly against this line of thinking. I think, as a country, we are too entirely into blaming everything on everyone but ourselves. Got fat? McDonald's fault. Serial killer? It's in your genetics. Shot a bunch of ppl at a high school? It's the music you listen to, games you play, and movies you watch. I'd be very happy if more ppl owned up to their actions.

When it comes to politics however, I see it as situational. If you were to only vote when you lined up 100% with a politician, who would realistically vote? Plenty of ppl voting for Romney this time are doing so based on thinking he'll be better with the economy. Given how many issues he's flip flopped on however, who can say if he's really going to ban abortion, or leave it alone? It's hard to blame independants who vote on him for non social reasons, if he ends up setting the country back 50 years on social issues.

I think we all have our priorities, and vote on those. Those are what I think we should be responsible for. If you vote for Obama because of Obamacare, and it turns into a cluster ****, I do think you contributed because you voted with that in mind. If you voted for Obama because you're tired of war, and think Romney will lead us into a war with Iran, and didn't even give Obamacare thought, I don't agree Obamacare's your fault. A presidential candidate brings a lot of issues to the table. Many ppl might agree with 2-4 out of 6, and vote based on that, because those issues are more important to them. It doesn't mean they voted for every major issue that politician stands for, the other issues just came along for the ride.

But, I do get your point. If (playing hypotheticals), Obama said his number one goal was war with Iran, and you vote for him, and we go to war with Iran...yeah, I can see that as the voters fault. It's just too situational.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Well said.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

You know, LS, I’ve been on here since near the beginning in one ID or another, back when it was just Spider-ManHype. You were always one of my favorite mods (besides Kel – still think that post a few pages back is funny. Busted!) and we used to have some great discussions and debates. They say 2 things you should never discuss is religion and politics and here we are, bunch of idiots, refusing to heed that advice and talking about both! I never came on this board to discuss politics, I came on here to talk of our shared love of comics and superheroes. But here we are.

I don’t think I have ever tried to push my religious views on anyone. I don’t see defending the life of an unborn child as coming from any religious view, just from common decency. When I cut the cord on both my children and held them for the first time, the thought that had she wanted to, just moments before my wife could have terminated their lives made me sick. If I saw someone being attacked I could jump in and help them (have done so before) but to think that a little being who is completely incapable of defending themselves at all could have their lives so taken for granted really gets me emotional. I try not to get personal but the thought that anyone could have such a casual attitude as to say in essence: ‘Eh, it’s the woman’s body. Let her terminate the pregnancy of she wants to’ makes me not feel very friendly to that person. Forget whether it is her first or FIFTY first abortion, it’s her body, hell with the baby. But I have to temper that by reminding myself that it all comes down to what we believe and some people just can’t bring themselves to believe that a baby is actually ‘alive’ until separate from the mom and breathing on its own. I’ve known people who worked in abortion clinics and had to leave saying it was absolutely horrible. I think a lot of people can have such cavalier attitudes about it because they are distanced from it and have never seen what really happens. I think if more did, not nearly as many would hold the idea that the unborn baby is just some lump of lifeless matter. If they are going to perform abortions, show them on the medical channels like they do with all the other brain surgeries, coronary bypasses and such. That might make it a bit more real for some people.

As for gay marriage I don’t think I could explain my views any more thoroughly than I already have. I was raised in a Christian home. Yet in my hell raising years, I used to slay ‘em. I had countless meaningless drunken-after-the-bar-closed-trysts with girls whose names I couldn’t remember the next morning. I knew that based on what I believed that what I was dong was wrong. I wished it wasn’t ‘cause it sure was fun. But didn’t change what I believed to be true.

I mean, you state you are a Christian. Christians base what they believe in the Bible. Do you believe the Bible approves of homosexuality?

IN closing, I am so sorry about the situation with your family and let me say they are completely wrong for the way they treat you and your partner. As I said, my sister is gay but one thing we all hold true is that family is the most important thing. I hope I haven’t offended you with anything I’ve said but won’t apologize for my beliefs. As I said, I have personally offended more of my beliefs than you probably ever will.

One last thing since I decided to bring up my carousing past, one of my closest friends at the time was gay (and black) and we used to have the best times but inevitably, every so often when we were heavy in the drink, he would proposition me. I never held this against him because I think everyone at one time or ten, in drunken moments, has propositioned a friend or two who they were attracted to. I simply put my arm around his shoulders told him I loved him but that it would be a cold day in hell before I was intimate with him any ANY other dude. Then I’d drive him home (cause I wouldn’t have him walk 3 blocks at 3 am in his condition – like I should have really been driving, but anyway - in the cold) to his apartment and crash on his couch. I tell this story to try and dispel the myth (though I’m sure it will live on, grow even) that just because someone is conservative doesn’t mean they are homophobic or hate gays.

Now I’m going back over to the comic section and argue with people about the latest crap that is the new imagining of Spider-Man!

I believe that God loves me. I don't believe his love is without conditions but I also know he made me as I am. I've always had these feelings since I was like...2 or 3 maybe. Definitely as far back as I can remember. And I was never molested as a child or anything like that. It is what it is and that's what it is now. And I've embraced it.

My eternal future will be judged by Him. And that matter is between Him and me. It's not between God, me and the GOP. The Grand Old Party is not mentioned anywhere in the Holy Scriptures. They've inserted themselves in a place God has not dictated to them, and that's why we have problems.

Others have used the Bible to justify their beliefs on the subject and that's fine. Make yourselves comfortable. Just don't use your beliefs in governing my way of life. I'm a grown ass man that works hard and pays my taxes like any other American deserving of his rights.

 

[Hawkingbird]

It's shocking how close this is. I never thought such a right-wing candidate would have a chance!

 

[Fading]

It's shocking how close this is. I never thought such a right-wing candidate would have a chance!

Sadly, that's just how far right the Republican party has gotten. Mitt's usually considered more moderate, though not all the time. He had to go that far right just to secure the base. Next time around we'll be hearing about how Romney failed (assuming he loses) because he wasn't far enough to the right.

With all luck, atleast some of the crazies won't make it too far next primaries though. Palin faded quick. Bacchman is in serious trouble. Heck, she pleaded in a memo for help because she heard Clinton was coming to campaign against her, lol. I just wish the Republican party would walk away from this learning something instead. If Romney couldn't beat a vulnerable president, and only started getting ahead when he went more moderate, that should say something to the line of thought that all candidates have to be, "severely conservative".