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[ben_reilly_s_s]

Are you nuts???

When Tony took Peter to Prison 42 in the Negative Zone and told him that the heroes that never register can stay here until they do decide to register, and it was ok to do so because they weren't on US soil, thereby making their "rights" as people invalid, Peter took great offense to that and started looking at Tony somehwat differently... this all happened after he revealed his identity....

I don't remember this...
What issue/issues was/were this/these?

 

[Themanofbat]

I'd have to look it up... but I think it was in Civil War #4 or 5... and possibly during some of those ASM Civil War tie-ins...

 

[Themanofbat]

Actually, it was in ASM #535...

Here's the synopsis from the Marvel Index book...

After learning that Stark Enterprises has made billions of dollars developing the anti-Registration super-hero holding facilities, Peter visits Tony and demands to see Prison 42. He is shocked to learn that it is in the Negative Zone. After observing captives Prodigy and the Living Mummy, Peter asks Tony what the permanent solution is. Tony tells him this prison is permanent as long as the inmates refuse to register. Iron Man then reminds Peter that it would be terrible to have to spend his lifetime in the Prison. Upset over the stripping of non-registered rights, Peter asks Mr. Fantastic why he supports the Act. Reed tells of how his Uncle Ted refused to cooperate with HUAC, ruining his career and life, making Reed believe people must support the law no matter what. Later, Peter wakes up MJ and May and tells them he has made a mistake supporting the Act. Before he can get them to leave for their own safety, Iron Man attacks him

There ya go...

 

[Donald Thomas]

Actually, it was in ASM #535...

Here's the synopsis from the Marvel Index book...

After learning that Stark Enterprises has made billions of dollars developing the anti-Registration super-hero holding facilities, Peter visits Tony and demands to see Prison 42. He is shocked to learn that it is in the Negative Zone. After observing captives Prodigy and the Living Mummy, Peter asks Tony what the permanent solution is. Tony tells him this prison is permanent as long as the inmates refuse to register. Iron Man then reminds Peter that it would be terrible to have to spend his lifetime in the Prison. Upset over the stripping of non-registered rights, Peter asks Mr. Fantastic why he supports the Act. Reed tells of how his Uncle Ted refused to cooperate with HUAC, ruining his career and life, making Reed believe people must support the law no matter what. Later, Peter wakes up MJ and May and tells them he has made a mistake supporting the Act. Before he can get them to leave for their own safety, Iron Man attacks him

There ya go...

Aloha,
This is why I consider the Amazing Spider-Man Index to be the Bible for Amazing.It's one thing for fans to like or dislike a particular story or issue, but as time goes by, the actual facts of the story gets muddled.I would think that people would realize that you can't tell everything about a story in 21 or more pages. Since we all wanted more in depth answers to the whole OMD situation, OMIT is that response. Funny, I have a fan fiction regarding the days between OMB/BND and the question of what happened to the organic webbing and Other powers. Wouldn't you know it, Dr. Strange is at the center of the story.Part 3 of OMIT to me is the best issue so far.Some may not want to accept the explanations given, but at least we are getting some explanations.For me, other than what MJ whispered in Mephisto ear, OMIT is doing it's job.
Spidey rules

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

One of the interviews, they said that he still has those powers, just that they only manifest under extreme duress... so, what about the organic webbing?
Marvel really doesn't know what to do with Spider-Man... Hopefully Dan Slott has a great long run of at least 5 years at 2 issues a month... That's 10 years worth....

 

[Miken Ayers]

One of the interviews, they said that he still has those powers, just that they only manifest under extreme duress... so, what about the organic webbing?
Marvel really doesn't know what to do with Spider-Man... Hopefully Dan Slott has a great long run of at least 5 years at 2 issues a month... That's 10 years worth....

It was established in the story he got those powers that only applies to the stingers. However the enhanced spider sense and the ability to see in the dark were just forgotten.

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

Ability to see in the dark is redundant. Sticking to anything with any part of his body was already a power...

 

[SpideyInATree]

Finally got a chance to read # 640 today.

This is definitely, so far, the best of the arc. Only two pages of Quesada and the rest are Rivera...AWESOME!

We also got to see Eddie appear in the arc once again, I was wondering when he was going to show his face. So, it seems that the person who had further plans for him was the Kingpin. I thought that was a nice touch with all that happened between Pete and The Kingpin during Back in Black.

My small gripes with the issue was Eddie going after Aunt Anna and Mary Jane. I mean Eddie is supposed to be this bad ass hit man for Kingpin and he wouldn't whack Aunt Anna? I mean why didn't he shoot her in the head before he went chasing after Mary Jane? And what was up with that last shot he took right when Spidey showed up? To me...it seemed he had a point blank shot at MJ's head and took it, THEN Spidey throws him away AFTER the shot. How the HELL do you miss?

Those things just sort of irked me. I know it's a comic and everything but it just rubbed me the wrong way.

Overall, I enjoyed it. I liked the last page with Strange going to Stark and Richards about Peter's request. The last part should be very interesting to see how everything goes.

Quesada is a good Editor in Chief and a solid artist. Maybe not so much on this arc but generally he's pretty good. However, when it comes to writing Spider-Man he should sort of not do it. I have to say that, so far, this hasn't been a horrible arc. I have enjoyed them tying up the loose ends between One More Day and Brand New Day. It's just that it's about two years too late.

Paolo Rivera is DEFINITELY making this arc easy on the eyes, that's for sure. I hope to see him get further high profile work at Marvel, or even DC. I've really enjoyed his stuff.

 

[mre]

I really think the arcs biggest weakness is lateness. This story should have come out after OMD and before BND.

Also, is Eddie supposed to be a bad ass hitman? I never got that impression. I thought he was just a thug, who was instructed to kill this time because he owed the Kingpin. I could be wrong.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I just figured that Eddie would be considered pretty bad ass if Kingpin decided to use him to carry out these assassinations. The Kingpin isn't going to just send some petty thug to do that kind of damage to Peter's life.

Eddie did have a lot of time to develop in Kingpin's regime between the time of the wedding and the events of Back in Black. That's years in Marvel Universe time.

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

only about 2, at the most 3 years...

 

[Themanofbat]

5 years...

If it's acknowledged that between ASM #150 & ASM #400 is about 5 years, about a 20 year span, then we can say the same thing for Peter & MJ...

It also follows the every 4 years (our time) equals 1 Marvel year formula that I had figured out about 15 years ago...

 

[chris moore]

So, what's the synopsis so far? (I got the first issue, didn't bother after, so I'm not taking the piss, I actually want to get it straight) Peter and MJ get together to talk about their relationship. Turns out Pete didn't make it to the wedding cos Mephisto released some guy from an Electro heist gone bad. Said guy knocks Pete off a roof, wakes up, too late. MJ realises that if they had kids, there'd be a risk. If they got married, kids are on the cards, so best not to marry. (I don't know the meantime or when they broke up). Pete reveals his ID in civil war. Kingpin takes a pop at aunt May. Peter tries CPR, which works because of *love* this time.

What then? And what in between? And what about MJ's pregnancy? Is it retconned so we don't have to wonder about it or ask anymore? Did the clone saga still happen? Or did it not because it's eventually tied to MJ's pregnancy?

 

[Miken Ayers]

I really think the arcs biggest weakness is lateness. This story should have come out after OMD and before BND.

Also, is Eddie supposed to be a bad ass hitman? I never got that impression. I thought he was just a thug, who was instructed to kill this time because he owed the Kingpin. I could be wrong.

The reason it wasn't told till now is because OMIT wasn't written yet. Joe's stance on OMD initially was, "It's magic we don't have to explain it." BND was also derailed several times because they had to stop and explain what they just expected us to just accept.

 

[Miken Ayers]

5 years...

If it's acknowledged that between ASM #150 & ASM #400 is about 5 years, about a 20 year span, then we can say the same thing for Peter & MJ...

It also follows the every 4 years (our time) equals 1 Marvel year formula that I had figured out about 15 years ago...

There is no scale on how much real world time equals Marvel time. Several editors said that the amount of time that passes if any depends on if the story calls for it.

 

[Themanofbat]

There is no scale on how much real world time equals Marvel time. Several editors said that the amount of time that passes if any depends on if the story calls for it.

Nobody ever said it was an exact science... it's a very "rough" time scale... but when you look at many of the major events that have happened throughout the Marvel Universe since 1961, and any time references, it sort of works out that about 12 1/2 years have passed (roughly) since Fantastic Four #1...

... and in the end, there's really nothing to back that up other than the simple fact that it is MY opinion, and it works for me.

You can use whatever number works in your head.

 

[Themanofbat]

The reason it wasn't told till now is because OMIT wasn't written yet. Joe's stance on OMD initially was, "It's magic we don't have to explain it." BND was also derailed several times because they had to stop and explain what they just expected us to just accept.

Please show where that's JQ's "official stance"... and please, don't bother posting the link that merely states that that was what JMS said that JQ said...

I want to see something more "official" as opposed to a pissed off writer's opinion...

 

[Themanofbat]

What then? And what in between? And what about MJ's pregnancy? Is it retconned so we don't have to wonder about it or ask anymore? Did the clone saga still happen? Or did it not because it's eventually tied to MJ's pregnancy?

At the end of Part 2, they decide to stay together and go off to Paris... as shown in Spectacular Spider-Man Annual #7

And then all the Marvel stories that followed still happened, except that they were just "living together" and NOT married.

Also, I believe that the pregnancy did not occur, yet the Clone Saga still happened in Spidey history... like most continuity gaffs, they can probably circumvent the pregnancy and still make the story work...

 

[Miken Ayers]

Nobody ever said it was an exact science... it's a very "rough" time scale... but when you look at many of the major events that have happened throughout the Marvel Universe since 1961, and any time references, it sort of works out that about 12 1/2 years have passed (roughly) since Fantastic Four #1...

... and in the end, there's really nothing to back that up other than the simple fact that it is MY opinion, and it works for me.

You can use whatever number works in your head.

Dan Slott's Thing series ended with him having his bahrmitzvah on the 13th aniversary of him getting his powers so I'll give you that one.

 

[Miken Ayers]

Please show where that's JQ's "official stance"... and please, don't bother posting the link that merely states that that was what JMS said that JQ said...

I want to see something more "official" as opposed to a pissed off writer's opinion...

JMS says he questioned things such as Aunt May's house burning down, and Harry's grave and said that was Joe's answer. That is really all I have to go on. However, Joe never denied it. So believe what you want. I don't care.

Although about a year before OMD hit Joe was on his message board asking whether he should remove magic from the MU and put Doctor Strange and other such characters in their own pocket universe. He felt that magic and superheroes don't mix, because he THOUGHT in the MU magic was without consequence and all magic characters worked just like the genie from Aladdin. So I do believe that was his official stance considering his misunderstanding of magic in the Marvel Univers.

 

[C. Pumpkins]

Finally got a chance to read # 640 today.

This is definitely, so far, the best of the arc. Only two pages of Quesada and the rest are Rivera...AWESOME!

We also got to see Eddie appear in the arc once again, I was wondering when he was going to show his face. So, it seems that the person who had further plans for him was the Kingpin. I thought that was a nice touch with all that happened between Pete and The Kingpin during Back in Black.

My small gripes with the issue was Eddie going after Aunt Anna and Mary Jane. I mean Eddie is supposed to be this bad ass hit man for Kingpin and he wouldn't whack Aunt Anna? I mean why didn't he shoot her in the head before he went chasing after Mary Jane? And what was up with that last shot he took right when Spidey showed up? To me...it seemed he had a point blank shot at MJ's head and took it, THEN Spidey throws him away AFTER the shot. How the HELL do you miss?

Those things just sort of irked me. I know it's a comic and everything but it just rubbed me the wrong way.

Overall, I enjoyed it. I liked the last page with Strange going to Stark and Richards about Peter's request. The last part should be very interesting to see how everything goes.

Quesada is a good Editor in Chief and a solid artist. Maybe not so much on this arc but generally he's pretty good. However, when it comes to writing Spider-Man he should sort of not do it. I have to say that, so far, this hasn't been a horrible arc. I have enjoyed them tying up the loose ends between One More Day and Brand New Day. It's just that it's about two years too late.

Paolo Rivera is DEFINITELY making this arc easy on the eyes, that's for sure. I hope to see him get further high profile work at Marvel, or even DC. I've really enjoyed his stuff.

I just read this issue and this seem to sum up how what I thought about it. The MJ chase scene was just as plausible as the brick smack, meaning it wasn't plausible. It held my interest ok, but the scene did drag on.

I do like the explanation for the mind wipe and that the real big three (minus Cap and Thor) are involved in it.

 

[Themanofbat]

JMS says he questioned things such as Aunt May's house burning down, and Harry's grave and said that was Joe's answer. That is really all I have to go on. However, Joe never denied it. So believe what you want. I don't care.

If you listen to PodCast #108...

http://www.spidermancrawlspace.com/wordpress/category/podcast/

... there's a part where I believe that Joe denies ever making that statement...

It's about 45 minutes long... cool interview.

 

[iloveclones]

In an interview of JQ posted somewhere here (this was recent, talking about OMIT), he said that he never stated that (about it being magic.) I think someone heard someone say something that they read about on some friend's blog, and all of a sudden, it's written in stone.

 

[iloveclones]

Beat me, dagnabit...

 

[SpideyInATree]

I was talking with a friend of mine yesterday about the story, and mainly about this Eddie guy.

While the story is all right, and for the fact that Quesada is writing, it is really not that bad. However, it's just too late. It didn't irk me so much at the first issue but now that we're into part 3 it's really irking the crap out of me. The book had a ton of momentum from The Gauntlet and Grim Hunt and then...BOOM...just stops it dead in it's tracks to explain something that readers could have done better with their imaginations. Anyway...

About this Eddie guy. We were noticing that Quesada seems to be setting Eddie up as kind of a guy who plays the "burglar" role. Because he had a chance to stop him after that night he fell on Peter and he didn't. Then it turns out this guy, who went after a cop and his wife, is loose all these years and ends up attacking MJ and Aunt Anna. My buddy had a theory that they may use this to kind of "break up" Peter and MJ to have to work with the Brand New Day timeline. Plus we both laughed about the luchadore mask Eddie wore. Why the HELL was it a luchadore mask. Maybe to connect it with the roots of Spider-Man that he used to be a wrestler before learning with great power comes great responsibility?

Either way, one thing my buddy and I agreed on, was that this story is really unnecessary. The book was doing JUST FINE without this story. I really was looking forward to this at one point and Paolo Rivera's artwork is truly the highlight but, Quesada, please stop writing Spider-Man comics. Leave it to Dan Slott and Mark Waid and pretty much anybody else that's not you. It's kind of nice to have "concrete" answers on what happened between One More Day and Brand New Day...it just stopped this ongoing story in it's tracks and really took me out of the story. Because after this we just dive back into the ongoing story with Origin of the Species. If OMIT would have been on time maybe this wouldn't be so bad but now we had to wait longer for the issues...like every two weeks as opposed to once a week.

It's just annoying...it really is. I'm a huge supporter of the new direction but this story is just unnecessary. If anybody out there didn't buy this yet and is on the fence...guess what? Don't buy it. Save your money for something better. Then jump back on during Origin of the Species because I'm guessing that you're really not going to miss much.