I told him that there wasn't a final draft available, but if he wants I can send him a '100-page' script.
Ah that old 1 eh
I told him that there wasn't a final draft available, but if he wants I can send him a '100-page' script.
oh shiiit....not THAT old thing! NOT WHAT I WANT!!! Well....actually if someone knows what REALLY HAPPENS AT THE END, post here using the spoiler thingy..........I told him that there wasn't a final draft available, but if he wants I can send him a '100-page' script.
For me personally?
Let me start off that Empire is the middle act which was intended.
Whether it's different worlds, action sequences, or my personal favorite, the character development and emotional complexity, it's satisfying on it's own.
And while it leaves you with a cliffhanger, and you are left with wanting more, I feel the story is engaging enough in it's own right that seperately it's enjoyable.
outside of emotional complexity I don't see any difference with DMC
if that is the straw the breaks the camels back then so be it, I just don't see to much of a difference
Well, the discussion was the defense of most Pirates fans that DMC wasn't a complete movie and it's okay because it was the "first half of the movie". Maybe if there was more character development, stayed a lil truer to the first film even if it was a lil darker, there wouldn't have been as many complaints.
But honestly, I really think a movie should stand on it's own, regardless of it having a cliffhanger, or be a Vol. 1 etc and I think a good sequel, shouldn't be defended by saying well, you have to wait to see the 3rd movie to pass judgement. Empire I felt took you on a journey, Pirates just felt they were filling a cinema reel til AWE.
The way I see it, Star Wars works 2 ways, in unison as a trilogy and separately as 3 distinct movies.The reason I use Empire as an example is this
what if they would have never made Jedi? Then would Empire stand out so much on its own? and how, cause I don't see anyway possible that it is even looked at with half the esteem it is now. There is no conclusion to pretty much every story line in the movie
luke has yet to fully grasp what it is to be a jedi, Han is frozen, a galaxy in peril, what kind of an ending to a movie is that? It needs Jedi or else we are left with an unfinished story
Again, Harry Potter works as separate movies as well as a continuous story.movies are an art of story telling, and Pirates are trying to tell one story, it doesn't matter how many movies it takes to tell one story, we still have what 3 harry potter movies to go before his story is over (again they are book adaptations and books are written differently).
Maybe. But I still think DMC could have been told in a half an hour instead of dragging it on for 2 1/2 hours.The reason I say you have to wait for AWE, is because the style of writers Terry and Ted are, which is they write in a literary sense, they probably have put stuff in DMC that you would think is pointless, but plays out in AWE, I can't garuntee that cause I haven't seen it, but they heavily used stuff that only seemed secondary in Curse, and put it out front in DMC to help make this world bigger than it appears. Its the old saying of writng if your gunna use a gun in the third act, you gotta show it in the first, or second act, and AWE is the third act of one movie.
A story is only successful as the sum of their parts.Granted Pirates 1 was made to stand on its own, but they decided to make all three movies work as one instead of just doing the mundane seriel sequel
and where is this law that says a story is confined to one movie? again, a story is a story, making 3 movies one movie, and each movie being an act of the story is a new concept that couldn't really be done in the older days of movies cause of budget issues, the reason the matrix, Star Wars new trilogy, and pirates where able to get away with it is cause the first two (Matrix/Pirates) had such strong fan bases, and SW was the only sure thing ever at the time PM came out, what do SW, and Matrix have in common? The third act complete changes the view of the whole trilogy for general audiences, SW the first two where originally thought of as bland inferiror counter parts to the old trilogy, and then the thrid one came out, and pretty much the general concencess of the new trilogy is "it all works great, still inferiror, but it works great for the SW universe"
Matrix's problem during Reloaded and Revolutions was it tried to appear smarter than it was.the only reason the matrix didn't work is A. to begin with Matrix 1's story is marginal at best, already relient on the most impressive action to give it the huge fan base it has. B. Reloded was more of the same, bland story with cooler action, and C. Revolutions is one of the lamest movies ever because the action is about a 3 and the story telling is about the same...I just don't think the first matrix was that great, and the two sequels which featured much of the same I think opened peoples eyes to it.
There's no problem with chopping up a story into 2, 3 or 7 parts. The problem is can the sum of the parts be appreciated separately? Like I said, even with all the loose ends tied up in AWE, DMC just gives a long and lengthy set up with none of the appeal at least to me of the first movie.I'm not saying that (the matrix) won't happen to the Pirates movies, cause the danger you have with doing that strategy of telling one story through three movies is that the third act is supposed to be the climax, and most thrilling act in the movie, but generally when you read a book or watch a play, the great ones everyone says this "the first act you get to know and love the characters, the second act puts the main storylines in motion, and the third act pays it off very well" and that is the direction i see the pirates movies going in (if AWE is kick ass)
and again i ask if they didn't make Jedi how would Empire look? I would say great setup, where is the pay off?The way I see it, Star Wars works 2 ways, in unison as a trilogy and separately as 3 distinct movies.
If AWE gives a good conclusion, I will probably fault DMC as the weak link of the Trilogy.
Again, Harry Potter works as separate movies as well as a continuous story.
Maybe. But I still think DMC could have been told in a half an hour instead of dragging it on for 2 1/2 hours.
There's no problem with chopping up a story into 2, 3 or 7 parts. The problem is can the sum of the parts be appreciated separately? Like I said, even with all the loose ends tied up in AWE, DMC just gives a long and lengthy set up with none of the appeal at least to me of the first movie.![]()
Hey Pirates fans here are the end cues from both Dead Mans Chest & At Worlds End Trailers
Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Mans Chest - Evil Island - Pfeifer Broz
http://www.sendspace.com/file/d37c1t
Pirates Of The Caribbean: At Worlds End - Dark Empire Remix - X Ray Dog
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lndgeo
Hey Pirates fans here are the end cues from both Dead Mans Chest & At Worlds End Trailers
Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Mans Chest - Evil Island - Pfeifer Broz
http://www.sendspace.com/file/d37c1t
Pirates Of The Caribbean: At Worlds End - Dark Empire Remix - X Ray Dog
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lndgeo
A Canadian journalist who attended the first press screening of AWE yesterday has written a report.
Yarr, 'tis true: Pirates 3 is a sight to behold
Yo ho! ho! and a plot full of fun. Avast me mateys, its true. I just caught the first media preview of Pirates Of The Caribbean: At Worlds End.
Fittingly, the Pirates event was at the re-modeled jewel box of an old Hollywood theatre, El Capitan, on Monday night. It's sort of like old school meets new for a movie theatre. Like these Pirates pictures. And like the others, the new Gore Verbinski film has it all: Action, adventure, mind-boggling effects and loads of laughs in a two hour and 40 minute journey.
And theres Johnny Depp, of course, who continues to do the swagger and stagger as if he invented it.
Well, he did kind of as a slurring salute to the Rolling Stones' Keith Richards, who shows up in this Pirates 3 celebration as Jacks father figure in what has to be the most discussed cameo in pirate film history. Talk about satisfaction. Although, the cameo is brief, it is a highlight; more of a quick wink than a committed nod.
Anyway, the real thrust, as always, is that the charming rogue Captain Jack Sparrow. Last seen in Dead Mans Chest being devoured by the mighty sea monster the Kraken, it seemed to be the end. As it turns out in this episodic fantasy, based on a Disney ride of all things, Captain Jack is not so much being digested as he is serving time in Davy Jones figurative locker.
As we might recall from last summers second Pirates picture, the witch Tia (Naomie Harris resurrects Captain Barbossa (Geoffrey Rush), the mutineer killed by Jack in the first film. This time around, hes less the bad guy and more the scout as he leads Will (Orlando Bloom), Elizabeth (Keira Knightley) and the rest of the crew to Captain Jacks locker lock down.
Not as easy as it seems getting there, of course. Besides the obstacles, they must steal the navigational chart from Singapore master pirate Sao Feng (Chow Yun-Fat) who would rather kill than chill.
Later on, a diabolical alliance is about to change all that, however, as Captain Jack, Barbossa and Sao Feng find themselves joining forces sort of so they wont be eliminated by the mega-capitalist Lord Cutler (Tom Hollander). He seems to control the Royal Navy on behalf of the East India Trading Company.
Not to mention Davy Jones as alluded to in the previous Pirates. And yes the battle finale is something to behold, almost operatic in its scope as Captain Jack and Davy Jones have at it in some wildly active sequences. Scene setters before the climax are inventive, as well. I wont soon forget the waterfalls moments.
Just like the previous Pirates, the effects are neither self-consciously presented or brazenly flaunted by Verbinski who even gets a little artsy now and again.
More basic? The bizarre love triangle as soap opera continues, too. Captain Jack, none too pleased that Elizabeth left him as the Krakens main course, is still flirty with her. And while Will gets to wear real fighting pirate boots, he seems befuddled that his bride-to-be may have eyes for the scoundrel.
Let us not forget Admiral James Norrington (Jack Davenport), ever the opportunist, and former Elizabeth flame (she, ah, gets around) is back. And hes in the good graces of Lord Beckett and the East India Trading Company. Although he did not steal Elizabeths figurative heart, he did steal the literal heart of Davy Jones and used it to bargain back his career. That cad.
I guess alls fair in love and pirate movies. Especially this one.
Whether Pirates 3 will top the billion-dollar box-office of the second instalment is another story. It sure will be close. Now that discussions for a fourth Pirates picture have slowed, fans will have to get their fill of this one while re-living the others on DVD.
That doesnt mean there wont be a Pirates 4. There will be. Producer Jerry Bruckheimer, who had the foresight to shoot 2 and 3 almost simultaneously, is currently wrangling the talent for a projected place when all the stars can align at the same time.
Until then, be patient me buckos. And fill your boots with this one, a worthy entry.
Another reaction to the first AWE screening!
Gut Reaction: I See Pirates on the Horizon
Last night I took in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End with the whole E! entourage (Catt, J Ked, KWan, C Ro, Pharrell aka the Number One Stunna and Shaun "Stan" Smith) at the famous Disney El Capitan Theater in Hollywood.
Not only did they give out sweet Pirates popcorn buckets and have a kickass organist playing as we walked in, but superproducer Jerry Bruckheimer introduced the film! Real recognize real; dude also stayed for the whole thing. That's dope.
As someone who could not stand the first two films, I found this one to be surprisingly entertaining. The sheer visual spectacle is worthy of praise. The attention to detail in costume and set design is nothing short of spectacular.
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Also, Keira Knightley is truly stunning. Please, please, if you are reading this and know her, or are her, please marry me? For real...
Many folks felt the second film was just a long trailer for the third, and in many ways, they were right. Lots of questions and plot points raised in the first two are answered and fleshed out in this latest Pirates.
Faithful Lyons Den readers have no fear, I'm not a Pirates groupie just yet. I found it about 45 minutes too long and was extremely disappointed in the development of the great actor Chow Yun-Fat's character.
The Keith Richards cameo ranks third on the summer cameo list, behind Ry Guy Seacrest in Knocked Up, which is really hilarious, and the Sal Man in Surf's Up.
Obviously, it will make a gabillion dollars, and this won't be the last we see of Jack Sparrow, but I could use a few summers off.