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Rush Resurrects Barbossa in `Pirates'

Geoffrey Rush lives the actor's life much the way his buccaneer character Barbossa lives the pirate's life.

Both Rush and Barbossa, who's back on board for "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End," strike a balance in their jobs between gravitas and goofiness, menace and madness, versatility and buffoonery.

Rush, 55, who won the best-actor Academy Award for his breakout role as dysfunctional piano master David Helfgott in 1996's "Shine," was seemingly out of the picture after Johnny Depp's Jack Sparrow killed him at the end of the first flick, "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl."

Yet Barbossa, Jack's mutinous first mate, popped up at the end of last summer's "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest," brought back from the dead to join a mission to rescue his old nemesis from Davy Jones' locker.

In "At World's End," Barbossa becomes an uneasy ally to Jack, a juicy role that allows Rush to strut the decks with a blend of the comic abandon the actor honed in his early stage career in Australia and the weightiness he has shown in such films as "Elizabeth," "Les Miserables" and "Lantana."

Rush sat down with The Associated Press to discuss his late-blooming cinema career, the lure of the high seas in the "Pirates" movies and his thoughts on whether the Black Pearl might sail again in future films.

AP: What did you think when you heard Disney was making a movie based on its "Pirates of the Caribbean" ride?

Rush: On the first film, there was always lots of talk from the more cynical corners of the press. "Oh, we've reached that point of moviemaking where Hollywood is now basing movies on theme-park rides." And I would always go, the pirates of the Caribbean is a very specific point in colonial history that maybe lasted from the mid-1600s to the early 1700s. Two generations. This is when all the powers of Europe were starting to ransack the New World and colonize it. Piracy kind of emerged around that, because there were so many bountiful ships at sea. ... When I looked at the creative team and I thought of the scale, that this film was going to require all the skills of (producer) Jerry Bruckheimer, with his track record, and the fact that he was throwing in Johnny Depp, the actor's actor, pretty much in his first full-blown, commercially driven role, I found that very exciting. It wasn't rounding up the usual A-list box-office stars. Jerry wanted fresh, he wanted new, he di! dn't want predictable.

AP: At what point did you suspect there would be "Pirates" sequels?

Rush: We got an inkling of it as we were completing the last two weeks of shooting on the first one. The call sheets would start not just having "Pirates of the Caribbean," but "Pirates of the Caribbean" colon "The Curse of the Black Pearl." Once we saw that colon, we started smelling sequel.

AP: How surprising was it that you were brought back, given that Barbossa dies in the first movie?

Rush: I more or less said to them, "Well, that's good, I hope you guys have a great time." They said, "No, no, we are going to create a new villain. We're going to move the story at one point to Asia. We're going to involve sea monsters and all that, but Barbossa is going to return." They were saying, "Keep this under your hat, but Jack Sparrow's going to die in the second movie." I went, "You're kidding me. The fans are going to go berserk." They said, "Yeah, but there's this great teaser moment at the end, just when the film reaches a kind of melancholy wake, suddenly Barbossa emerges, and he's the guy that's got the goods and the map to go to the other side to bring Jack back." My mind was boggling with the potential of that, the story lines that could come out of that.

AP: The third movie seems to set up a potential new rivalry between Jack and Barbossa. What are the chances for more films?

Rush: The writers always wanted to have this huge, rolling conflict between Jack and Barbossa. Even in the pre-story of the first film, where we heard a lot about how Barbossa was Jack's first mate, then he mutinied and took over. There's never going to be a resolution to that conflict. So, sure, there are potential story lines, not uninteresting ones. I joked and said, "Why don't we do a prequel? If they find the fountain of youth, wouldn't that be fantastic?" They could CGI us up, so I could be 25 and Jack could be 10. There's a lot of fun in it.

AP: More sequels make good business sense, but what would it take to get you and the other creative people back on board?

Rush: I think the same rules would apply. No one would want to do more of the same. I'm sure the studio heads would go, "Come on, we could bang one more out." But I just know that's not how Jerry would think, and Johnny. There'd be creative input. People would say, "Wow, you come up with a good script and a good set of conflicts and swerve it in a new direction, then it would be legitimate." But Disney's not going to say, "That was aesthetically pleasing. Let's put it to bed now." I can't see that sentence coming out in the board room.

AP: Your early career was mostly stage work, but in the last decade, you've played Peter Sellers, Trotsky, the Marquis de Sade, a couple of great Elizabethan characters, a larger-than-life pirate on film. If someone told you pre-"Shine" that you would have all those film roles, would you have believed them?

Rush: Not at all. I think it has reflected very pleasurably the sort of diversity, the kinds of roles I used to play in the theater. I've managed to find some kind of cinematic equivalent to that. I was never a leading man. I've always been in the outer concentric circles in the company, being a character actor, which is a good place to be. It gives you that diversity.

AP: What do you think about the pirate iconography that's become so omnipresent largely because of the movie franchise?

Rush: I was staying at the Chateau, West Hollywood was rancid with pirates last Halloween. I was very tempted, if it didn't involve a 2 1/2-hour makeup job, I was so tempted to go out and just walk down Sunset Boulevard and knock everyone in a bandanna with a sword in their belt out of the water by parading along as Barbossa. It would be kind of fun.

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/20070522/117985770000.html
 
Third "Pirates" film grows up, themes turn darker

Death, betrayal and even an attempted corporate takeover of the pirate world infuse the last of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" trilogy -- a series that began as a children's romp and has moved to darker themes as its audience matures.

"Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" opens on Friday and some experts think the Walt Disney Co. film will set a new record for biggest opening day weekend, a title that the film's predecessor "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" held last year when it opened at $135.6 million but lost earlier this month after "Spider-Man 3" debuted at $151.1 million.

In the latest "Pirates," lovers Will Turner (Orlando Bloom) and Elizabeth Swann (Keira Knightley) set sail to raise Captain Jack Sparrow (Johnny Depp) from the dead and unite the Nine Pirate Lords against the East India Trading Company, which wants to hunt down pirates using a cursed ship called the Flying Dutchman.

The movie brings back cast members from the earlier films, including Geoffrey Rush as Captain Barbossa, Jack Davenport as Admiral Norrington and Bill Nighy as Davy Jones, the captain of the Flying Dutchman, but as more careworn, sunburned versions of those characters.

"I think the first movie was much more naive in a way. The love story gets complicated and there are betrayals, distrust and jealousy," director Gore Verbinski told Reuters.

"Those are things that you have to overcome to have that love story grow up. Our audience has grown up -- those 9 year olds are now 13 year olds."

DIZZYING PLOT TWISTS

As the East India Trading Company hunts the pirates, they turn against each other in a series of betrayals that make for dizzying plot twists and transformations of the characters from trustworthy to suspect and back again.

Actor Orlando Bloom said he enjoyed seeing his lovelorn young blacksmith grow up into a full-fledged pirate whose intentions may or may not be honorable by the end of the movie.

"(Will) embraces the pirates' code and the idea of being a pirate in order to get what he wants, which in turn sort of puts a question mark above his head (about) his motives," Bloom told Reuters. "I think he can't escape who he is."

The action takes the adventurers from the Caribbean shack of the mysterious Tia Dalma (Naomie Harris) to Singapore, where they meet the Chinese pirate lord Captain Sao Feng, played by Hong Kong action star Chow Yun-Fat.

"Nobody is a good guy and nobody is a bad guy -- everybody is out for himself in the pirate world," Chow told Reuters.

Chow, who had director Verbinski personally shave his head and endured 2-1/2 hours daily in the makeup chair to become the scarred Sao Feng, said making "At World's End" was "like my Christmas every day."

"I never wanted to leave," he said.

While it ties up plot threads hinted at in the previous two films, "At World's End" winds the series up at a new starting point for further adventures of Captain Jack, if producers, Disney and the cast should so desire.

Depp has said he would sign on for another film, and producer Jerry Bruckheimer, who was ridiculed for basing the first "Pirates of the Caribbean" on a Disneyland ride until the franchise became a $1.7 billion blockbuster, said last week that a fourth film is possible.

"Who knows where that little boat will lead us?" he told Reuters. "Obviously we've thought of something because there is a hint of something at the end."

Verbinski, who directed all three films in a grueling four years, said Captain Jack may have set sail for the last time with Will and Elizabeth.

"We've all felt like we've finished the story of the governor's daughter and Port Royale and ... the destiny of Will Turner," he said. "Whether there is the continued adventures of Jack Sparrow somewhere down the road, that would be a sort of start-over and would have to be a story that's worth telling."

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/va/20070522/117984999500.html
 
Critics are seen as "experts" however, regardless if the regular movie going for the most part, ignore their critiques. I would rather listen to a critic than some idiot who says "OMG, X3 IS DA #$ SH#T, LOLZ".

And it wasn't the critics that made the Matrix go South, that was Revolutions. Actually looking at RT, Reloaded was pretty much well received by the critics. It was the last movie that was pretty much panned by critics, fans and movie goers a like.

And I agree about Barbossa. I could not get into Davy Jones as a villan. He had neither the dynamic of Barbossa or even a presence. While Jones, visually looks intimidating, he was not as threatening or engaging as Barbossa at least to me. Hopefully, AWE can deepen him a bit.

I don't know about you, but I would rather just listen to myself with what movies I like and dislike than critics or stupid fans that like X3....but that is just me..

what I ment by critics killed the matrix is that, the strive to make a blockbuster movie that is deep and enlightening threw that franchise off course, yeah thre first one has its nice symbolism, but its nothing to outsanding just the level of what a well made popcorn movie should have in it

but critics do suck as much as fanboys do, it seems almost every year they pan some movie like Blade Runner or escape from new york, or Hellboy...or even like Resivour Dogs I remember roger ebert re-reviewed it when Pulp fiction came out, and ended up giving it 3 or 4 stars, to me that says cop-out i want my opinion in movies to be better than everyone elses, and when that happens I can't rely on critics, they always do that though with something that develops a mass amount of underground respect and then they have the re-review it to save face


again my friend they just have touched the surface of DJ in DMC, there is a lot more to come...but he is a different kind of villain than Barbossa way more sympathetic in which to glorify the wickedness of Cutler Beckett, in AWE I would wager that he almost will be percieved as an anti-hero of sorts, doing whatever he can to get his chest and heart back safely, though that just means fighting our heros to do so
 
Can't wait to see it though all the possible spoilers on the internet about how it ends. I will be pissed if Jack get Elizabeth at the end.
 
I don't know if I'd call "60-70 %" loved though by cream of the crop.

All I meant is, don't let the reviews bother you- like some do- the critics never really got these films... but, they did get that so far (before AWE) POTC1 was by far the best.

So, don't get worried if we're in the 60-70 cream of the crop. That's still good, surprisingly.

Love the darker theme article, will read that after I slash a couple of more bad guys up- the game is great! Not only does AWE seem to be turning out to be perhaps the best POTC film, but the game also tops everything that came before... if you could call the first game a POTC game, lol- never got that far, but were the main characters actually ever in it?

Also, I haven't seen DMC since theaters- and I didn't get lost once while reading the story... so, I don't think you necessarily need to see DMC again to understand it. I understood it just fine.
 
Can't wait to see it though all the possible spoilers on the internet about how it ends. I will be pissed if Jack get Elizabeth at the end.

I think that's just coming from someone who read part way into the book and went- Jack wants Elizabeth to sail off with him?! :wow: From the book at least- it seems like Jack is the good guy traitor once again. He lives forever, and Will gets to have Elizabeth (the deal was to keep her safe, not for her to be his bony lass)
 
Critics are seen as "experts" however, regardless if the regular movie going for the most part, ignore their critiques. I would rather listen to a critic than some idiot who says "OMG, X3 IS DA #$ SH#T, LOLZ".

And it wasn't the critics that made the Matrix go South, that was Revolutions. Actually looking at RT, Reloaded was pretty much well received by the critics. It was the last movie that was pretty much panned by critics, fans and movie goers a like.

And I agree about Barbossa. I could not get into Davy Jones as a villan. He had neither the dynamic of Barbossa or even a presence. While Jones, visually looks intimidating, he was not as threatening or engaging as Barbossa at least to me. Hopefully, AWE can deepen him a bit.


I don't give a **** what any idiot critic says, X3 was great.

**** critics.:cmad:
 
Also, I haven't seen DMC since theaters- and I didn't get lost once while reading the story... so, I don't think you necessarily need to see DMC again to understand it. I understood it just fine.

I only really recommend people see a previous movie of a sequel if they haven't seen it already.

DMC wasn't that complex and well it's been less than a year, I doubt the average person is going to get lost.
 
Did anyone else get to play the game demo?

I was really impressed, and am very pleased it includes the second movie since I loved the kracken and various monsters...

Bit disappointed kracken doesnt re-appear, but ah well, I still get the other monsters.

does anyone know if the psp game is the same as the console versions?
 
I don't give a **** what any idiot critic says, X3 was great.

**** critics.:cmad:
I don't think X3 sucked but it was a mere shell of the previous 2 imo. It adds to my list of franchises that I could stop after the 2nd movie purchase on DVD such as Blade, and the Matrix.
 
I don't think X3 sucked but it was a mere shell of the previous 2 imo. It adds to my list of franchises that I could stop after the 2nd movie purchase on DVD such as Blade, and the Matrix.

Fair enough- I just believe a lot of people hated it for reasons other than the movie itself (''OMG FOX RUSHED IT'', ''ROTHMAN SUCKS DICK'', ETC :whatever: ). I personally think it was the best, but I do agree that the third Blade really did suck :(
 
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I don't know about you, but I would rather just listen to myself with what movies I like and dislike than critics or stupid fans that like X3....but that is just me..

You're entitled to your own opinion and all but no need to be so dismissive of others!! Not everyone who liked X3 is stupid and I really think it's gotten an unwarranted amount of abuse when you consider its actual quality! You'd swear it's the worst film ever made the way some people go on and on about it.

Anyway back on topic...
 
Was this movie even screened to critics, it opens in two days and still doesn't have a score on Rotten Tomatoes.
 
im still tryin to figure out why its only the dutchmen and pearl fighting. its like the rest of the ships are just eatin popcorn and enjoying the fight like we will be.
 
im still tryin to figure out why its only the dutchmen and pearl fighting. its like the rest of the ships are just eatin popcorn and enjoying the fight like we will be.



I think this review might answer you're question . I must warn ya , it does feature some massive spoilers about AWE and unless you wanna know how the movie is going to be ( including ending) , you better watch out.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32762
 
Was this movie even screened to critics, it opens in two days and still doesn't have a score on Rotten Tomatoes.
http://www.comingsoon.net/blog/2007/05/preview_and_box_office_analysi.php#more
Critics weren't as kind to Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, as seen by its drop from a 79% Fresh for the original movie to 54% Rotten. Even so, Disney will be screening the movie for most critics on Monday and Tuesday, though they really shouldn't need to due to the three-quel's built-in audience. (The movie is tracking on a similar level as Spider-Man 3 a few weeks ago.) What's interesting is that they're trying to enforce the opening day embargo on reviews (at least among online critics) more than usual, which either means they're worried about spoilers or they're not confident the movie will get good reviews. (Shades of The Matrix Revolutions!)
 
That comment about no one is a good guy and no one is a bad guy is true. Dead Man's Chest basically featured everyone in the damn movie going for their own at some point, with all kinds of double crosses, so no one was really all that likeable save for Cap'n Jack.
 
You're entitled to your own opinion and all but no need to be so dismissive of others!! Not everyone who liked X3 is stupid and I really think it's gotten an unwarranted amount of abuse when you consider its actual quality! You'd swear it's the worst film ever made the way some people go on and on about it.

Anyway back on topic...

I actually didn't mean it like that...my bad, Erzengl used the term first so I reiterated in terms of what he was talking about

I actually think its the best of the three, that being said I still only give it a 6/10, even though everything in the movie was completely rushed it was still able to capture the feel of the comics much better than the first two, the first two to me feel like they took the title and the characters names and completely wrote different everything, it wasn't x-men, it was "we are fox and we have an interesting story to tell, but it won't make money so we are going to make it an x-men film regardless of how not x-men these movies seem" they may in terms of an actual movie be great, but what an x-men movie should be they are rough...and i think X3 was closer to the tone and feel of the comics than the first two, and it shares the same character flaws as the first two, but only because it came after the first two

but again, I didn't mean all X3 fans are stupid...I am sure some of them are, just cause 7/10 people in general are stupid...but that has nothing to do with taste in movies
 
I don't know... all through reading it- I actually rooted for Will. Maybe it's because his motivation seems to be the most noble...

Another reason they could be holding back is that critics might advise parents not to take their children, lol. I mean, this film is Burton compared to DMC.

One thing that stresses this- the SEA OF THE DEAD- litterally!
 
I don't know if I'd call "60-70 %" loved though by cream of the crop.

All I meant is, don't let the reviews bother you- like some do- the critics never really got these films... but, they did get that so far (before AWE) POTC1 was by far the best.

So, don't get worried if we're in the 60-70 cream of the crop. That's still good, surprisingly.

Love the darker theme article, will read that after I slash a couple of more bad guys up- the game is great! Not only does AWE seem to be turning out to be perhaps the best POTC film, but the game also tops everything that came before... if you could call the first game a POTC game, lol- never got that far, but were the main characters actually ever in it?

Also, I haven't seen DMC since theaters- and I didn't get lost once while reading the story... so, I don't think you necessarily need to see DMC again to understand it. I understood it just fine.

I don't let reviews bother me, I always say its nice to see sweet movies like Batman Begins getting in the 80's, and Evil Dead 2 with 100, but just because Pirates 2, and the Fountain, and The Rock, and a slew of other good movies are hovering in the 50's doesn't mean they are 30 points less than somehting that got an 80

I don't know if I say they loved the first one, but liked it yeah, as does show in the 60-70 range for cream of the crop

but I think if you are making summer movies you will definatley take 60-70 cream of the crop, I mean Bable has a 66 and that was up for best picture of the year

also I do think you should watch it agian if you are only going on 1 veiwing, I remeber hating the Hulk the first time I saw in theaters, and didn't watch it again till last year, and its not nearly as bad as I remember it being, still nothing special or great, but a solid capable movie at like a 6, or 7, when it was once like a 2, or 3
 
Man, I spoiled myself today. I picked up both the game (for Xbox 360) and the CD. The game is awesome. So far, it loosely follows the plot of the movies (or DMC at least) but there are many similarities. I'm almost done with the "Dead Man's Chest" portion of the game.

The soundtrack is great. It's very different from the second film's soundtrack. I'm listening to it right now.
 
Man, I spoiled myself today. I picked up both the game (for Xbox 360) and the CD. The game is awesome. So far, it loosely follows the plot of the movies (or DMC at least) but there are many similarities. I'm almost done with the "Dead Man's Chest" portion of the game.

The soundtrack is great. It's very different from the second film's soundtrack. I'm listening to it right now.


Any cool kracken battles?

and props for the warriors sig :woot:
 

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