The Official 'SAW IV' Thread

[Reek]

I have the chance to interview tobin bell tomorrow at the scream awards, does anyone have any good questions to ask him?

Why are y'all milking this franchise?

 

[The Dark Defender]

It's gotten better with each installment and they've given me no reason not to trust them yet for starters.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Saw 4 is 1 hour and 48 minutes, not 95.

Check www.movietickets.com for confirmation

Someone at HOJ actually posted a pic of their advance ticket stub, and it said 108 minutes.

I'm going to the SAW marathon tomorrow evening, so I'll be seeing the new one at midnight.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

My theater has a midnight showing.

I might see it on saturday if i can get out of work early enough.

Its playing like 5 times. they got like 12 movies playing there at one time.

 

[bullets]

i hope the new saw villian is as interesting as jigsaw , it would be cool if they could find a worthy sucessor.

 

[nocomics]

i hope the new saw villian is as interesting as jigsaw , it would be cool if they could find a worthy sucessor.

It still will be jigsaw in essence,though someone else will be taking over that role. I hope it will make sence,and not detract from the story or the 'Lore' of what jigs was.
I kindof hoped it would be Danny Glovers character or dr.gordon,but since those actors are'nt listed on movie credits,then it will be someone we have'nt seen alot of..Though it kindof makes me wonder do they legally have to list all the actors in the movie? I was thinking maybe they left Glover and Gordon's actor off the list on purpose to throw ppl off????

 

[ViolentMike]

I've been eagerly anticipating skipping this in theatres ever since not seeing Saw 3 last year.

 

[CrypticOne]

^ Nah. I don't think Gordon or Tapp will be in this movie and will probably won't be in future installments. I think the new Jigsaw could be Forensic Hoffman, Jill (Jigsaw's ex-wife), or possibly Jeff from the third one.

I think Hoffman is the most likely one to become the new Jigsaw. But I could be wrong, but if you remember in the first Saw, Jigsaw was the biggest surprise, at the ending he got up and just walked away. But he was with the two people the whole movie, Gordon and Adam, so maybe Hoffman is just posing as a good guy in front of the two new detectives, until teh end when everything is said and done. Plus, you guys see in Saw III, when he takes the evidence from the Troy trap? What was that about.

I think Jeff could be the second most likely character to take Jigsaw's place, because he went a bit loony and do you guys remember when Jigsaw poured that wax over the tape near his bed during the end of Saw III? Maybe that was a tape telling Jeff where is daughter would be if he took his place. Or that tape could be a clue to lead to the next tape, to the next tape, making sure Jeff does as Jigsaw instructs.

I kinda doubt that Jigsaw's wife will be the new Jigsaw. But it could be, I wouldn't like it.

Those are my top three characters that would take the new post as Jigsaw. Just speculation.

 

[Eelectro 2]

i think that they shoudl have a trap that has someone waking up in a room, find their tape recorder, listen to it, and right afterwards a whole bunch of wasps are leaked into the room from a hive. there would be a gas that angers them and causes them to sting the person inside the 'hive'. this person would be allergic and the antidote and key to getting out of their alive woudl be inside the bee hive, so they would have to get stung to grab it, aside from all the other stingings from just being in the same room. it's a common phobia, and if the person is allergic (obviously jigsaw woudl know that) then they have a limited amount of time until they bloat and suffocate to death from the poison in their body.
i love the classic metal traps that they use in these movies, but i think a few more original ideas here and their work well, such as the needle pit and freezer have been.

 

[nocomics]

^ Nah. I don't think Gordon or Tapp will be in this movie and will probably won't be in future installments. I think the new Jigsaw could be Forensic Hoffman, Jill (Jigsaw's ex-wife), or possibly Jeff from the third one.

I think Hoffman is the most likely one to become the new Jigsaw. But I could be wrong, but if you remember in the first Saw, Jigsaw was the biggest surprise, at the ending he got up and just walked away. But he was with the two people the whole movie, Gordon and Adam, so maybe Hoffman is just posing as a good guy in front of the two new detectives, until teh end when everything is said and done. Plus, you guys see in Saw III, when he takes the evidence from the Troy trap? What was that about.

I think Jeff could be the second most likely character to take Jigsaw's place, because he went a bit loony and do you guys remember when Jigsaw poured that wax over the tape near his bed during the end of Saw III? Maybe that was a tape telling Jeff where is daughter would be if he took his place. Or that tape could be a clue to lead to the next tape, to the next tape, making sure Jeff does as Jigsaw instructs.

I kinda doubt that Jigsaw's wife will be the new Jigsaw. But it could be, I wouldn't like it.

Those are my top three characters that would take the new post as Jigsaw. Just speculation.

You bring up some good ideas,and as crazy as the saw films are these scenerios are possible. We don't know what Jeff did for a living,he could be a mechanical engineer as well(though amanda ddint seem to have the brains to build anything).
I do like the Jeff idea making him do these things before his daughter suffocates,though how would of he gotten the victims if he couldnt leave as the doors were locked? I guess maybe they were already bound and gaged? Only 1 day away so we shall see.

 

[CrypticOne]

^ Well the waxed tape could have told Jeff how to get out and could have told him how long his daughter has. The new Jigsaw has to be someone that was a main character and someone we know, thats the only way I see it. Why would Jigsaw's wife become the new Jigsaw? It doesn't make much sense.

Spoiler

If you look at the victims in this movie, the people in the traps, they are all criminals. So if you kinda think about it, how would the new Jigsaw know these people are criminals? The new Jigsaw could be a ex-cop, knowing all this information about his victims. Or maybe Jigsaw just left information laying around and someone got a hold of it.

Was it ever revealed what Amanda's envelope was holding? The information inside of it? The one Jigsaw told her was in his desk.

I don't see them just leaving Jeff hanging, I think he's a pretty important character. The way Rigg has to help or walk away from the people in the traps reminds me of Jeff's tests. So he may be involved somehow. But you never know with these movies. And we used to know that it was John as Jigsaw. But now we have a new antagonist, this is a great mystery to us. One more day. I can't wait, but this movie has me raking my brains left and right. Any theories?

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

One thing I hated about Saw 3 is that it killed off the female detective of the first two movies....It always seemed like it was building to her finding and killing Jigsaw...so I was so dissappointed... and I didn't like how the other cop was killed too. And also...what happened to Dr. Gordon

 

[CrypticOne]

^ Dr. Gordon is currently unknown. We don't know if he is alive or dead. But if I had to guess, I would say he has died.

 

[nocomics]

^ Dr. Gordon is currently unknown. We don't know if he is alive or dead. But if I had to guess, I would say he has died.

We can assume that hes dead or alive. I'm not sure why they haven't said or did anything with that. Lot of people are anxious to know what happened to him,and I hope they do something. Though I will assume maybe they saving that for when the franchise slows down and they need a boost.
Know there was a contract dispute between the actor and lionsgate,but they can always get another actor to play him...

 

[Reek]

Barbara Streisand is the new Jigsaw

 

[nocomics]

Is amanda making a cameo or flashback in this? I went to my local wehrenberg theatres website,and looked up times for saw. They have listed shawnee smith in credits? I didnt think she was in it in any form??
Guess I will see tomorrow afternoon

 

[Advanced Dark]

I like how they keep tying everything together in hindsight and trying to make it seem like it was a plan all along. I already "SAW" this 3 times. LOL

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Well, I just returned from an employee preview we had. I'll give a review of this film.

Was it horrible? No. Was it the worst film in the world? No. But they definitely should've stopped after three. Nothing is really expanded on in this fourth film and it just seems very confused, jumps all over the place, and really adds nothing to the unique aspect that is Saw.

Spoiler

There is no revelation of what happened to Dr. Gordon.

Spoiler

Eric Matthews is killed off in this one. His death scene is pretty cool and creative.

Ready for the big spoiler?

Spoiler

the new Jigsaw is Forensic Hoffman.

Spoiler

Jeff is shot and killed by FBI Agent Strahm. His death is disappointing because it looks as though he never attempted to find his daughter and stayed in the room.

 

[The Dark Defender]

I like how they keep tying everything together in hindsight and trying to make it seem like it was a plan all along. I already "SAW" this 3 times. LOL

No you didn't, since each film is quite a bit different in style; and they don't pretend it was planned all along, they've admitted that it wasn't.

Anyways...

SAW IV is good, but it's the weakest of the series.

It's a very good prequel, but the main story introduces no new particularly interesting characters, and has some very poor wrap ups for some of the interesting ones from the previous films.

The thematic depth is also lacking and it really falls apart at the end.

The traps were great and on a visceral level it rivals SAW III, and probably surpasses it and it gave some interesting backstory on John the man and his sharp contrast to the Jigsaw killer.

I liked it, but I wasn't blown away like I have been the previous 3 years.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

No you didn't, since each film is quite a bit different in style; and they don't pretend it was planned all along, they've admitted that it wasn't.

Anyways...

SAW IV is good, but it's the weakest of the series.

It's a very good prequel, but the main story introduces no new particularly interesting characters, and has some very poor wrap ups for some of the interesting ones from the previous films.

The thematic depth is also lacking and it really falls apart at the end.

The traps were great and on a visceral level it rivals SAW III, and probably surpasses it and it gave some interesting backstory on John the man and his sharp contrast to the Jigsaw killer.

I liked it, but I wasn't blown away like I have been the previous 3 years.

I agree it's definitely the weakest of the series.

Spoiler

I was actually hoping for someone interesting and unexpected to be the new Jigsaw. But is Hoffman the new Jigsaw? Or is he just another pawn in the game and the new Jigsaw is still out there? It just seems to me as if he was just a test subject.

 

[Art Damage]

I will probably end up seeing it sometime this year, it doesn't look all that interesting really and they are just milking whatever is left of the dead Saw cow these days but it's almost like a tradition to go out with friends and see the new Saw movie that comes out. Even though I'm not dating this one girl anymore...and I don't really hang out with those group of friends anymore...BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY...

Haven't really read much about the movie so if I do see it, I'm going into it completely surprised and ignorant as to what I'll be watching. Oh well, it's gotta be a little bit better than Hostel 2 right?....

SAW IV is good, but it's the weakest of the series.

Wow, I thought both 2 and 3 were pretty weak...hmm..we'll see I guess.

 

[The Dark Defender]

2 and 3, 3 especially are better than the first.

They're weak if you prefer twists for the sake of twists rather than making an actual point.

 

[Bishop2]

Well, I just returned from an employee preview we had. I'll give a review of this film.

Was it horrible? No. Was it the worst film in the world? No. But they definitely should've stopped after three. Nothing is really expanded on in this fourth film and it just seems very confused, jumps all over the place, and really adds nothing to the unique aspect that is Saw.

Spoiler

There is no revelation of what happened to Dr. Gordon.

Spoiler

Eric Matthews is killed off in this one. His death scene is pretty cool and creative.

Ready for the big spoiler?

Spoiler

the new Jigsaw is Forensic Hoffman.

Spoiler

Jeff is shot and killed by FBI Agent Strahm. His death is disappointing because it looks as though he never attempted to find his daughter and stayed in the room.

Lame. They keep killing off the most interesting characters that have the most fascinating places to go. That was one of the big mistakes with Saw III in my mind - they offed characters who had SO MUCH development potential, or took characters in new directions I disagreed with intensely. Sounds like this one continues the trend, along with carrying the franchise forward after its logical point of death. And introducing another new apprentice when you already had one before now is just like saying "Woops, we screwed up." I'll pass.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Lame. They keep killing off the most interesting characters that have the most fascinating places to go. That was one of the big mistakes with Saw III in my mind - they offed characters who had SO MUCH development potential, or took characters in new directions I disagreed with intensely. Sounds like this one continues the trend, along with carrying the franchise forward after its logical point of death. And introducing another new apprentice when you already had one before now is just like saying "Woops, we screwed up." I'll pass.

I agree. This one is definitely disappointing and I'll be very surprised if this succeeds in the box office. There's no way this film even deserves to be ranked with Saw 1, 2, or 3. For me it's the X3 of the franchise and while it's not the worst movie in the world, it's one of the weakest and lamest of the series.

Spoiler

My main gripe with this one is how Jeff and Eric are completely wasted. It was interesting to see what happened to Eric after his fight with Amanda. He was literally held hostage like a caged animal basically. But what makes it disappointing is that there is no mention of Daniel. Hoffman and Eric have no interaction. It's almost as if Eric completely forgot about his son and I can see why Donnie was pissed off.

You could also tell that Donnie wasn't into the role in this one. His performances in Saw 2 and 3 were great in my opinion. He just seemed to sleepwalk through the film and his character isn't developed.

Here's where bad editing and bad storytelling comes in.

Spoiler

Remember when he's taunting Amanda to the point to where she gets up and walks back to him? It cuts away to him being dragged by Jigsaw's apprentice. WTF? So what the hell did she do to him? It just seemed forced, confused, and lacked continuity.

I'm so disappointed in this one that I'll most likely skip the DVD release and enjoy the trilogy I already have.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I sincerely hope the Saw franchise is dead now. There's no need to continue this series since the majority of your main interesting characters are dead.

Spoiler

Jigsaw is dead, Amanda is dead, Jeff is dead, Eric is dead, Adam is dead, Kerry is dead, and they'll never reveal what happened to Dr. Gordon. So it's safe to say that he's dead as well.

There's no need to continue this unless they're direct to dvd movies.