The Official 'SAW IV' Thread

[Dr.Dude]

I loved Saw, thought Saw II was alright and then loved Saw III but this one was just...eh. Saw III wrapped everything up too nicely and this Saw was just one movie too much.

What's always made the first three Saw movies so interesting was, more than anything else, the complicated plot lines that somehow managed to weave together so perfectly with a killer ending twist. This is where Saw IV falls off the mark, because by the time that the plot weaves together the entire thing has just become confusing and cluttered as hell, while the realism of the scenario has completely gone out the window. This is only worsened by the disappointment of the end twist; after three fabulous twists in the previous movies, the twist in this movie actually leaves you rolling your eyes.

They should have stopped at Saw III.

 

[DarKush]

I thought it was good right up until the end. Then it got very confusing. So, was Saw III and Saw IV happening at the same time? Or were parts of it happening at the same time and parts of it not?

That "time travel/time paradox", or whatever twist didn't work for me. It ruined the film. Also, the new acolyte doesn't quite work for me either. Hopefully their reign will be a short one, or they will be given an interesting motivation for why they've decided to carry on Jigsaw's work.

Saw IV did prove to me that there is actually some story left to tell in the Saw franchise. Unfortunately it didn't do a good job telling that story in a way that I could reasonably grasp.

Not sure if I'm on board for Saw V.

 

[The Dark Defender]

Of course SAW III wrapped things up "too nicely" it was the conclusion to the first trilogy, SAW IV is the beginning of the second one.
As that, they're both effective.

 

[Ass Assassin]

They need to quit now.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Of course SAW III wrapped things up "too nicely" it was the conclusion to the first trilogy, SAW IV is the beginning of the second one.
As that, they're both effective.

Since saw 4 actually took place at the same time as Saw 3 my theory is we will actually go backwards for the next two movies showing more of jigsaw, and hoffman and how he became the new amanda so Saw3 will subsequentially be the finale

 

[The Dark Defender]

They could go that route, but I doubt it, especially since SAW IV

Spoiler

that John has another successor ready to test Hoffman.

They need to quit now.

No they don't, and those that feel that can just quit watching them, then again I know how much people to complain, often about films that they don't get.

 

[strikezone89]

wtf happened in this movie

 

[nocomics]

Since saw 4 actually took place at the same time as Saw 3 my theory is we will actually go backwards for the next two movies showing more of jigsaw, and hoffman and how he became the new amanda so Saw3 will subsequentially be the finale

I just don't want them to just rehash first 3 movies with just new characters and throw in original jiggs life story. I like to see them progress it a little more. They left some stuff open and unanswered, I seriously hope they will finish them up in next movies. I felt that saw IV was a little rehash of first 3 in ways..Riggs= Jeff, Blank=zepp,hoffman=amanda just my view of it. Though I did like the ending in way,it however lacked that 'punch'. If ur gonna portray Hoffman as the new jiggs at least give'm that big intro like saw did with original jiggs at the end..

 

[The Dark Defender]

None of the films are at all rehashes, they're all very distinct in style and tone and the way that the games are set up is vastly different.

 

[bullets]

i read they are filming 5 and 6 back to back .

 

[bullets]

i'm enjoying it so far , things were left open ended so they can continue to use jigsaw in flashbacks throughout the series, the other character i had liked was det. matthews
***spoilers****
Im not too glad they brought him back only to get killed off and almost have no dialogue , it seemed kind of pointless. i did know he was still alive because in the end of saw3 jigsaw says to amanda" you left him for dead , i had to pick up the pieces" it seemed like a clue
***end spoils****

 

[L0ngsh0t]

They could go that route, but I doubt it, especially since SAW IV

Spoiler

that John has another successor ready to test Hoffman.

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explain, i think i must have missed that

 

[The Dark Defender]

Spoiler

The autopsy tape tells him "you think you will go untested, but the games have just begun" while directly referencing a Detective, and says "you think that you're the only one left," on a tape that Hoffman knew absolutely nothing about.
John had a point of contention with Hoffman and wants him to know that he's not the only one left.
Hoffman probably set up Amanda to fail because he wanted to be the only one left.

 

[Sloth7d]

Spoiler

The autopsy tape tells him "you think you will go untested, but the games have just begun" while directly referencing a Detective, and says "you think that you're the only one left," on a tape that Hoffman knew absolutely nothing about.
John had a point of contention with Hoffman and wants him to know that he's not the only one left.
Hoffman probably set up Amanda to fail because he wanted to be the only one left.

Damn, I didn't think of it that way. In that case I can't wait for Saw V.

Though--

Spoiler

I'm dissapointed how the cop in this movie just couldn't realize the point. After three test, one of which (the third one) made it seem like he realized people had to save themselves. Too bad he busted down that door, I was rooting for him.

 

[Robin91939]

If someone could do this:

Spoiler

Time line the events of Saw III and Saw IV to display the order that everything happened.

-R

 

[Eelectro 2]

saw III and saw IV timeline *Spoilers included*

-all the flashbacks of what you see with john and jill

-i'd have to say that until proven otherwise that all the stuff with eric matthews and amanda happens before the blind and mute trap, and then after amanda claims to have killed eric, jigsaw (either john or hoffman) drags and feeds him for 6 months because that's how long he is gone for before kerry is killed

-blind and mute trap takes place way earlier than the events of saw III or IV

-the beginning of saw III up until you see amanda walking into jigsaw's lair

-simultaneously the events of what is happening to riggs and what is happening to jeff and lynn are going on at the same time

-straham is one step behind riggs in his tests and follows him to where riggs has his last test with eric on the ice block. when straham is in the building and you see jeff hit the light above him with the meat hook, that's after the rack test from III. straham is in the same building as jeff john and amanda at the time that amanda and lynn are shot and john and lynn are killed he is entering the lair.

-riggs busts into the room that kills eric and then you see hoffman stand up. he leaves the room

-after jeff kills john, straham enters the room right after jeff plays the tape and begins screaming and then he shoots jeff. right after that hoffman seals straham into the room. the room seems to be locked from the inside, but not from outside since the body of john is later found

-autopsy scene

please correct me if this timeline is out of order, i only saw part IV one time

 

[Mr Jide]

Saw 4 was throwaway entertainment.

 

[nocomics]

saw III and saw IV timeline *Spoilers included*

-all the flashbacks of what you see with john and jill

-i'd have to say that until proven otherwise that all the stuff with eric matthews and amanda happens before the blind and mute trap, and then after amanda claims to have killed eric, jigsaw (either john or hoffman) drags and feeds him for 6 months because that's how long he is gone for before kerry is killed

-blind and mute trap takes place way earlier than the events of saw III or IV

-the beginning of saw III up until you see amanda walking into jigsaw's lair

-simultaneously the events of what is happening to riggs and what is happening to jeff and lynn are going on at the same time

-straham is one step behind riggs in his tests and follows him to where riggs has his last test with eric on the ice block. when straham is in the building and you see jeff hit the light above him with the meat hook, that's after the rack test from III. straham is in the same building as jeff john and amanda at the time that amanda and lynn are shot and john and lynn are killed he is entering the lair.

-riggs busts into the room that kills eric and then you see hoffman stand up. he leaves the room

-after jeff kills john, straham enters the room right after jeff plays the tape and begins screaming and then he shoots jeff. right after that hoffman seals straham into the room. the room seems to be locked from the inside, but not from outside since the body of john is later found

-autopsy scene

please correct me if this timeline is out of order, i only saw part IV one time

Seems about right,it is hard to keep up what came when,and what time of each movies.
my personal view is I hope/wish they would actually do a prequel,so we can have torbin bell,shawnee smith back in full lenght,but the way they are going they are explaining john's turn in flashbacks.. I just thought it would be cool if they did a prequel and end it with adam/dr.gordon lying in the room..

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Saw 4 was throwaway entertainment.

Yes just like all of them.

I liked it, it was entertaining.

 

[Dark Spidey]

I am a die-hard SAW fan and have (in no particular order) come up with a list of all the Unanswered questions of the SAW franchise:

Spoiler

1) When and why was Hoffman recruited by Jigsaw? (He is next in line for the Jigsaw throne and will be tested, just like Amanda was in SAW III).

2) What happened to Jeff's Daughter?

3) What happened to the FBI agent that was locked in the room with Jigsaw, Amanda, Jeff and his Wife's bodies? That room and Jigsaw's body was found, so what about the FBI agent?

4) What was written on the paper Hoffman put in the envelope for Amanda?

5) In SAW II, at one point Amanda, careful as to not be seen by the other "housemates", crouches down near the corner of the room and looks into a holdall bag of some kind. What was in that bloody bag!?!

6) Speaking of Amanda, when Detective Kerry's body was discovered by Hoffman and then the FBI. At this point, how did they know Amanda was involved with Jigsaw? The only thing I can think of is that when Matthews's Son, Daniel woke up, he told his story to the police who derieved that Amanda was in on it all. But even if that is the case... Det. Kerry didn't know this as proven by her surprise at the reveal that Amanda was behind her "game".

7) One more thing, never really understood how Adam's game was fair in the first movie. Exactly what real chance did he ever have to get out of the bathroom alive? Unless he was destined to die anyway. Serving the greater purpose. Like the Guinea pig in Jigsaw's lair, strapped in the chair with the two drills either side of his head.

Did I miss anything??

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Spoiler

The autopsy tape tells him "you think you will go untested, but the games have just begun" while directly referencing a Detective, and says "you think that you're the only one left," on a tape that Hoffman knew absolutely nothing about.
John had a point of contention with Hoffman and wants him to know that he's not the only one left.
Hoffman probably set up Amanda to fail because he wanted to be the only one left.

cool thanks man, that makes sense compeletly

 

[Sloth7d]

saw III and saw IV timeline *Spoilers included*

-all the flashbacks of what you see with john and jill

-i'd have to say that until proven otherwise that all the stuff with eric matthews and amanda happens before the blind and mute trap, and then after amanda claims to have killed eric, jigsaw (either john or hoffman) drags and feeds him for 6 months because that's how long he is gone for before kerry is killed

-blind and mute trap takes place way earlier than the events of saw III or IV

-the beginning of saw III up until you see amanda walking into jigsaw's lair

-simultaneously the events of what is happening to riggs and what is happening to jeff and lynn are going on at the same time

-straham is one step behind riggs in his tests and follows him to where riggs has his last test with eric on the ice block. when straham is in the building and you see jeff hit the light above him with the meat hook, that's after the rack test from III. straham is in the same building as jeff john and amanda at the time that amanda and lynn are shot and john and lynn are killed he is entering the lair.

-riggs busts into the room that kills eric and then you see hoffman stand up. he leaves the room

-after jeff kills john, straham enters the room right after jeff plays the tape and begins screaming and then he shoots jeff. right after that hoffman seals straham into the room. the room seems to be locked from the inside, but not from outside since the body of john is later found

-autopsy scene

please correct me if this timeline is out of order, i only saw part IV one time

That seems right. I can't see how people couldn't figure that out.

 

[strikezone89]

did the old man really die?!

 

[Roughneck]

Judging my the Autopsy right at the beginning of the 4th film...I would say yes without a doubt.



Also I was kinda hoping/thinking that the accomplice was going to be Adam.....that would have been kinda cool.

 

[nocomics]

I am a die-hard SAW fan and have (in no particular order) come up with a list of all the Unanswered questions of the SAW franchise:

Spoiler

1) When and why was Hoffman recruited by Jigsaw? (He is next in line for the Jigsaw throne and will be tested, just like Amanda was in SAW III).

2) What happened to Jeff's Daughter?

3) What happened to the FBI agent that was locked in the room with Jigsaw, Amanda, Jeff and his Wife's bodies? That room and Jigsaw's body was found, so what about the FBI agent?

4) What was written on the paper Hoffman put in the envelope for Amanda?

5) In SAW II, at one point Amanda, careful as to not be seen by the other "housemates", crouches down near the corner of the room and looks into a holdall bag of some kind. What was in that bloody bag!?!

6) Speaking of Amanda, when Detective Kerry's body was discovered by Hoffman and then the FBI. At this point, how did they know Amanda was involved with Jigsaw? The only thing I can think of is that when Matthews's Son, Daniel woke up, he told his story to the police who derieved that Amanda was in on it all. But even if that is the case... Det. Kerry didn't know this as proven by her surprise at the reveal that Amanda was behind her "game".

7) One more thing, never really understood how Adam's game was fair in the first movie. Exactly what real chance did he ever have to get out of the bathroom alive? Unless he was destined to die anyway. Serving the greater purpose. Like the Guinea pig in Jigsaw's lair, strapped in the chair with the two drills either side of his head.

Did I miss anything??

Spoiler

1. Not sure when Hoffman was recruited by Jiggs, maybe that will be answered in the next one.

2.Again I hope its answered in the next one.

3. Little confused myself on that. was that scene after or before the ortopsy scene? kindof gotten me confused now,lol. It does blend in,guess I need to see it again to clarify this stuff.

4. Would like to know myself,maybe its informing of her that she will not be the next jiggs,and Hoffman was taking her spot???

5. Don't remember that scene? maybe it was antidote for the toxin being sprayed in house???

6. That seems plausable scenerio. They did mention Kerry had contact with those two FBI agents before she was killed.

7. He had a chance to live,but the key went down the drain. I think in jiggs eyes he passed so to speak,so he told him where the key was. Just happened it went down the drain. Just amanda killed him shorty after.