The Official 'SAW IV' Thread

[Dark Spidey]

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5. Don't remember that scene? maybe it was antidote for the toxin being sprayed in house???

6. That seems plausable scenerio. They did mention Kerry had contact with those two FBI agents before she was killed.

7. He had a chance to live,but the key went down the drain. I think in jiggs eyes he passed so to speak,so he told him where the key was. Just happened it went down the drain. Just amanda killed him shorty after.

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5) Yeah it kinda forgetable. Doesn't really stand out, she does it while other characters are talking about their situation. But it does happen.

6) Yeah, it's the only explaination I can think of, and yet as I said, Kerry still seems surprised to see Amanda before her trap kills her. Or maybe it wasn't surprise. Maybe she knew Amanda was in with Jigsaw, but was just still expecting to see the main man himself.

7) The thing is. That theory doesn't quite work out. Because what if the keys hadn't of gone down the drain? What was Jigsaw just going to let Adam walk out the door behind him! I think Adams fate was sealed from the start. Just like that guy Amanda had to carve into in the first film to get the key to her reverse bear trap.

 

[Reek]

i saw the movie...it sucked since i new the ending. not a fan at all...all the real story style from the first is gone...shoulda stopped at 1. 4 just tries so hard to gross u out it loses its real purpose.

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and the new jigsaw...you gotta be kidding me...fat stupid bastard. the only good parts had tobin bell....saw 5 and 6....f*** that. now wasting my money.

 

[zhulok]

Just saw it today and i am a little dissapointed.
I was going to come on here and say that it was bad and confusing but i decided to first read stormy's posts and the timeline on the previous page and now it makes alot more sense to me so now i got to say its still a little confusing but it was okay. I still think that was the worst ending of all the movies so far though. Well i hope they do better next time.

 

[kane9321]

just got home from the movie.....freakin loved every bit of it

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I felt bad for jeff..he's dead and his daughther is somewhere in the warehouse..Stupid rigg didnt learn his lesson about ...patience

 

[Reek]

what bothers me, is didnt detective matthews pass Jigsaws test? no he didnt cut his leg off, but he did break the hell out of his ankle. why does jigsaw not let him go? i figured he earned it.

 

[nocomics]

Just saw it today and i am a little dissapointed.
I was going to come on here and say that it was bad and confusing but i decided to first read stormy's posts and the timeline on the previous page and now it makes alot more sense to me so now i got to say its still a little confusing but it was okay. I still think that was the worst ending of all the movies so far though. Well i hope they do better next time.

Ya, I think alot of ppl were a little confused by the ending. Ya had to pay very close attention to keep things in order. I might have to see it again to get some things straight.
It may have been the weaker ending than first 3 over all,it just didn't pack that punch delivered by original saw,then so far none of them has.

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If they wanted ppl to think Hoffman was gonna take over I think they should of done it more dramatic than what they did.

 

[bullets]

^ yeah and shown a little backstory to it.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I work at a theater and I watched it again with a co-worker. We both were disappointed with it the first time around, however, we decided to give it another go and see if we understand it better.

Needless to say it's MUCH better the second time around. Everything about the story makes sense once you start putting it together.

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When the cop mentions that missing doctor to Hoffman? He's obviously talking about Lynn.

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Remember Troy from the beginning of Saw III? The guy with all the chains in his body? Does the school look familiar? Remember Troy was locked in that same exact school where Rigg confronted the woman who was trapped with her abusive husband.

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When Agent Perez and Strahm encounter Billy the Puppet you hear a whisper saying "Open the door." My guess is either that particular door led to where Jeff is or who knows.

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Hoffman is definitely not the new Jigsaw. My theory is he wanted to get rid of Riggs, Matthews, and Kerry thinking that Jigsaw wouldn't go after him or would make him an apprentice. Now Hoffman is going to be tested and the look on his face said it all when he heard it.

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Basically everything that was happening in Saw IV was happening at the same time as the events of Saw III.

 

[bullets]

yeah it adds up .. the first time i was like wtf but now i understand it better,

 

[nocomics]

^ yeah and shown a little backstory to it.

I will bank money in Saw V they will do a backstory for Hoffman,and how he and jigs met. I just think like alot of ppl that Hoffman isn't the new jigs its someone we haven't seen yet or had a small role in previous ones. As they like to keep it all together so I won't be shocked if its someone who barely had any screen time.
Im gonna take a wild stab,and hope its Dr. Gordon(all banking they get that contract dispute settled or whatever it was),I just want to say its johns wife or Obi? I say that just for the fact they like to pull crazy stuff out of the blue. Heck we can even say Det. Mattews son..but I guess we can just say anyone whos been in a saw sequence is a possibility...

 

[Sloth7d]

just got home from the movie.....freakin loved every bit of it

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I felt bad for jeff..he's dead and his daughther is somewhere in the warehouse..Stupid rigg didnt learn his lesson about ...patience

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The lesson was about letting people save thereselves.

 

[symbioticspaz]

Not sure if this was mentioned........

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but did anyone notice who the hooker was that was trying to get some action from Jigsaw while he was waiting in the car?
A certain chick from 2 who got her wrists cut up in a box

 

[nocomics]

Not sure if this was mentioned........

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but did anyone notice who the hooker was that was trying to get some action from Jigsaw while he was waiting in the car?
A certain chick from 2 who got her wrists cut up in a box

Yup noticed that too,shame they did'nt do the Obi/jigs connection like we've heard they were gonna do..

 

[LastSunrise1981]

i saw the movie...it sucked since i new the ending. not a fan at all...all the real story style from the first is gone...shoulda stopped at 1. 4 just tries so hard to gross u out it loses its real purpose.

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and the new jigsaw...you gotta be kidding me...fat stupid bastard. the only good parts had tobin bell....saw 5 and 6....f*** that. now wasting my money.

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Hoffman is not the new Jigsaw. If you paid attention to the ending you'd hear Jigsaw tell him "did you think you will go untested because I am dead?

If you watch it the second time around you'll understand it a lot better.

 

[Dark Spidey]

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Hoffman is not the new Jigsaw. If you paid attention to the ending you'd hear Jigsaw tell him "did you think you will go untested because I am dead?

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Yeah... tested just like Jigsaw's other successor Amanda was.

 

[Dark Spidey]

Not sure if this was mentioned........

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but did anyone notice who the hooker was that was trying to get some action from Jigsaw while he was waiting in the car?
A certain chick from 2 who got her wrists cut up in a box

Didn't notice it at the time, but was thinking about it at work today and hey... what do you know, I was right t:

 

[LastSunrise1981]

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Yeah... tested just like Jigsaw's other successor Amanda was.

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The difference is Amanda was making traps unwinnable. Hence why John continued testing her. The theory everyone seems to echo is that Hoffamn got rid of Matthews, Kerry, and Riggs, knowing full well John was dead and started to believe that since John is dead he won't be tested.

 

[Dark Spidey]

what bothers me, is didnt detective matthews pass Jigsaws test? no he didnt cut his leg off, but he did break the hell out of his ankle. why does jigsaw not let him go? i figured he earned it.

Not really. Matthews already failed his test way back in Jigsaw's lair when all he had to do was wait. Just like Jigs told him to. His fate was then to either bleed to death sawing off his foot, or to rot and starve to death. It was clever thinking smashing his ankle to escape out of his chain. But the possibilty of this was an oversight of Amanda's.

Thinking along the same lines as Jigsaw, in this instance one could say Matthews didn't pass his test at all. He cheated.

 

[Dark Spidey]

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The difference is Amanda was making traps unwinnable. Hence why John continued testing her. The theory everyone seems to echo is that Hoffamn got rid of Matthews, Kerry, and Riggs, knowing full well John was dead and started to believe that since John is dead he won't be tested.

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Okay first, Hoffman didn't get rid of Riggs at all. Riggs was playing Jigsaw's game. Hoffman was only assisting.

I don't see how Hoffman's part in all this can be questioned. Even with what evidence we have at this point in his story. The guy was in on the whole thing. You see how he delivered the "game over" line? As cool as a cat.

My arguement is, he didn't have to play along. If he wanted Jigs and the rest dead, he didn't have to leave anything to chance, he could've just shot them! But he didn't. Why? Because that's not the Jigsaw way.

Also, my response to your comment on Amanda making unwinnable traps... Well, who helped Amanda set up Det. Kerry's unwinnable trap and so therefore also deserves to be tested just as Amanda was...? Hoffman!

 

[LastSunrise1981]

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Okay first, Hoffman didn't get rid of Riggs at all. Riggs was playing Jigsaw's game. Hoffman was only assisting.

I don't see how Hoffman's part in all this can be questioned. Even with what evidence we have at this point in his story. The guy was in on the whole thing. You see how he delivered the "game over" line? As cool as a cat.

My arguement is, he didn't have to play along. If he wanted Jigs and the rest dead, he didn't have to leave anything to chance, he could've just shot them! But he didn't. Why? Because that's not the Jigsaw way.

Also, my response to your comment on Amanda making unwinnable traps... Well, who helped Amanda set up Det. Kerry's unwinnable trap and so therefore also deserves to be tested just as Amanda was...? Hoffman!

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Yes, he delivered the game over phrase in a calm collective manner. But he also lied to the lawyer without thinking twice. You also saw how nervous he got when Strahm and Perez were catching on to him.

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We'll find out in Saw V. I believe he'll die during his test and the actual apprentice to Jigsaw is still around somewhere.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

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I also would like to point out the look on Hoffman's face at the end of the film. Look at how scared, nervous, and shocked he was when John told him "you feel like you have power? You think that you'll go untested?". Hoffman knew and now he's going to suffer.

 

[Eelectro 2]

i don't really believe there is going to be another mastermind at hand. perhaps there will be, but tapp and gordon probably won't have any further part in these movies. 6 will probably (and hopefully) be the last movie. i dont' think these could go much further in terms of interesting story aside from what we've already seen. the only thing left to do is start finishing off this case of the jigsaw killer. hoffman will be tested and will either survive in 5 or die in 5 or 6. jill, perez and straham are still alive so i'm sure we will see them carry out the rest of these movies, and i'm sure riggs isnt' dead either

 

[Steyin]

Ok, I enjoyed this a lot more than 3, but have a few questions (I'm going to watch it again anyway to clear up some things):

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1. Was the guy who survived the deaf-mute trap the guy who was watching over Matthews and Hoffman?

2. What was the deal with the lawyer? I sort of missed it.

3. Who was the guy in the photo with Jigsaw outside his factory?

4. Straham seemed to know way too much on Jigsaw and how he works...or am I missing something there?

Also, don't know if this was mentioned, but

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the knife trap is ultimately the first trap ever, correct?

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Ok, I enjoyed this a lot more than 3, but have a few questions (I'm going to watch it again anyway to clear up some things):

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1. Was the guy who survived the deaf-mute trap the guy who was watching over Matthews and Hoffman?

2. What was the deal with the lawyer? I sort of missed it.

3. Who was the guy in the photo with Jigsaw outside his factory?

4. Straham seemed to know way too much on Jigsaw and how he works...or am I missing something there?

Also, don't know if this was mentioned, but

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the knife trap is ultimately the first trap ever, correct?

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1.Yep, that was Art in the first trap with the deaf-mute trap.

2. Basically he was getting guys off the hook for horrific crimes. The rapist and the abusive father were his clients.

3. They never stated who that guy was. Maybe that'll be explained in the 5th movie.

4. He definitely knew a lot about Jigsaw. My guess is he's the male version of Kerry, only more badass in my opinion. Loved his scenes with Jill and his investigation of the cases.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I was expecting more feedback from the Hypsters regarding this film.

It's nice to discuss the possibilities of the fifth film and where it's going to lead into.

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Since they killed off Kerry, Jeff, Detective Matthews, and Rigg(maybe), is it safe to say that Dr. Gordon is dead too?

And what is everyones favorite scene in the film? I have to say the beginning is one of my favorite openers. Not the blind/mute trap at the beginning, but the beginning with Hoffman and Jigsaw in the Autopsy room.

There was just something epic about that scene and with the theme playing it really set the mood in my opinion.