The Official SDCC Coverage Thread

[charl_huntress]

You were replying with your "blind site" quote to somebody exclaiming, "Reboot with Routh!"

Yes I was, Showey.

Here is my quote.

You know, I have been wanting to post this blind item I found about Singer/Routh, but I can't. However, that blind item seems to be true. And, if it appears to be true then I may have to consider my opinion on the rumors in the gossip. Again, I can't post it here because it's so inflammatory. Yet, I think it's true.

I won't say where this BI is from, but I am saying if it is true then there is will be no Singer/Routh collaboration.

Since I don't know if it is true, all I will say is if it is true then without Singer....there will be no Routh!!!!!

I agree t:

 

[Pickle-El]

Bring back Routh...Bring back Singer...sequel, yay. All that good stuff....etc.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Heres some food for thought, could TDK's massive success have damaged the chances of a sequel to SR? I mean everybody loves Batman's new take and aren't clamoring for Tim Burton's version of Batman to return. It's obvious that people really dug Batman Begins but Superman Returns, dispite making a tad more than BB, was not nearly as well recieved.

Could WB now be thinking that people can accept different interpretation of their characters? Could they be thinking that people actually really dig different interpretations of their characters so they don't have to copy the last directors work in order to get the big bucks?

Just something I've been thinking about for a few days.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Bring back Routh...Bring back Singer...sequel, yay. All that good stuff....etc.

I wish that was happening, but at this point, my hope is all but spent, i just cant see it happening, with the idiots over there at WB not having a single clue between them, other than Batman, the future for DC characters on screen is looking bleak IMO.

 

[Retroman]

I believe she also had a similar comment in a previous interview.

She did? Interesting.

Heres some food for thought, could TDK's massive success have damaged the chances of a sequel to SR? I mean everybody loves Batman's new take and aren't clamoring for Tim Burton's version of Batman to return. It's obvious that people really dug Batman Begins but Superman Returns, dispite making a tad more than BB, was not nearly as well recieved.

Could WB now be thinking that people can accept different interpretation of their characters? Could they be thinking that people actually really dig different interpretations of their characters so they don't have to copy the last directors work in order to get the big bucks?

Just something I've been thinking about for a few days.

If only we knew what the heck WB is thinking.

 

[Superman-Prime]

Superman is in dear need of a total reboot, and yes ROUTH/SINGER should both be fired!

I don't honestly think Routh will ever play Superman on the big screen again.

So, you're saying that Brandon Routh should be fired?

Yeah, whatever.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^I'm saying it too because I want a do over without any ties to Singer's version of the character.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^I'm saying it too because I want a do over without any ties to Singer's version of the character.

Let me guess by your avatar you want a re-boot with Welling. Pppsssshhhh, typical Smallville Fan Girl!

 

[Spider-Fan]

Heres some food for thought, could TDK's massive success have damaged the chances of a sequel to SR? I mean everybody loves Batman's new take and aren't clamoring for Tim Burton's version of Batman to return. It's obvious that people really dug Batman Begins but Superman Returns, dispite making a tad more than BB, was not nearly as well recieved.

Could WB now be thinking that people can accept different interpretation of their characters? Could they be thinking that people actually really dig different interpretations of their characters so they don't have to copy the last directors work in order to get the big bucks?

Just something I've been thinking about for a few days.

I've been thinking this for a while. When BB came out, I knew few people who were anything but enthusiastic about it. With SR, I find some who love it, some who hate it (me), and a vast majority that just didn't care either way.

BB was clearly well recieved, and is showing in TDK's BO. I don't think a Superman sequel would get this kind of result, thus WB really is stuck in a tough place. I say wait 3 years, and then look to do a reboot with a new creative team (that is in no way connected to the Donner-verse). That way, we would get a reboot about 10 years after SR, which is about how long it took between B&R and BB.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I've been thinking this for a while. When BB came out, I knew few people who were anything but enthusiastic about it. With SR, I find some who love it, some who hate it (me), and a vast majority that just didn't care either way.

BB was clearly well recieved, and is showing in TDK's BO. I don't think a Superman sequel would get this kind of result, thus WB really is stuck in a tough place. I say wait 3 years, and then look to do a reboot with a new creative team (that is in no way connected to the Donner-verse). That way, we would get a reboot about 10 years after SR, which is about how long it took between B&R and BB.

I know this will sound like a typical defenders argument, but i actually know no one who thought SR was a bad movie, worst comment i have is that it was 'alright' by a couple of people, thats it. All the others loved it. Saying that, they all thought BB was better (me included), but i see no reason why MOS, with the right marketing, couldnt be a huge success for WB.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Heres some food for thought, could TDK's massive success have damaged the chances of a sequel to SR? I mean everybody loves Batman's new take and aren't clamoring for Tim Burton's version of Batman to return. It's obvious that people really dug Batman Begins but Superman Returns, dispite making a tad more than BB, was not nearly as well recieved.

Could WB now be thinking that people can accept different interpretation of their characters? Could they be thinking that people actually really dig different interpretations of their characters so they don't have to copy the last directors work in order to get the big bucks?

Just something I've been thinking about for a few days.

If anything though I think that the Dark Knight will help the Man of Steel move forward faster.

Thanks to the Dark Knight and very probably Watchmen, the DC brand can become on par with Marvel's brand in movies, if not better due to Batman Begins, the Dark Knight, Superman Returns, and V for Vendetta under its belt. Warner Bros would probably want to capitalize on this with more movies starring Superman, Green Lantern, Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, etc..

Thanks to the Dark Knight, it has been proven that a major comic book character that is not Spider-Man can make massive money very quickly. Again, something Warner Bros. would want to capitalize with Superman, a major comic book character on par with Batman and Spider-Man in terms of recognition.

Thanks to the Dark Knight, Warner Bros has most likely learned how to properly advertise and time a movie. The Dark Knight had a phenomenal advertising campaign and it had perfect timing (practically no competition). Both Batman Begins and Superman Returns' advertising campaign were nowhere near near on par with the Dark Knights' (or even Iron Man's) advertising. Plus they were hindered by heavy competition (War of the Worlds and Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest). If they apply that to Superman, they can certainly mimic a certain degree of the Dark Knight's success onto the Man of Steel.

And in order to capitalize on it, they need to do this fast for a 2010 release date. The only way that this can happen is with a sequel. Man of Steel already has a director and people working on a script. It has the actors onboard. With a reboot you'd have to think about what direction to take, hire a new director, new screenwriters, new cast, etc. Reboots also take longer to make than a sequel. It took 8 years to reboot Batman. And 19 years for Warner Bros. to give up rebooting Superman and go with Bryan Singer's take. Now before someone brings up the Incredible Hulk, it was originally designed to be a sequel until Edward Norton came onboard. Also reboots aren't guaranteed to be the massive success that some would like to think. The Hulk reboot brought in the same amount of money as the last Hulk movie and the Punisher reboot will be a total disaster. Also, Warner Bros. had already spent hundreds of millions of dollars to reboot Superman with absolutely no results.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I know this will sound like a typical defenders argument, but i actually know no one who thought SR was a bad movie, worst comment i have is that it was 'alright' by a couple of people, thats it. All the others loved it. Saying that, they all thought BB was better (me included), but i see no reason why MOS, with the right marketing, couldnt be a huge success for WB.

I am on the opposite side here. When I referred to reception of mass numbers, I reffered to on here. This movie had a divided reception, BB had an almost unanimous reception.

However, amongst friends and family, I know 6 people (other than me) who saw it (the other people I know didn't care to see it). Of the 6, 1 guy liked it. The other 5 hated it. So, we have observed opposing reactions personally.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I had pretty much a split reception. I and my friends liked it. My dad hated it. My mom was confused by it because she can't grasp on the concept of continuity.

 

[SuperDaniel]

It`s not that a reboot is the cause for these movies to be a disaster. A Superman reboot written bu JJ abrams or Tim Burton would`ve been disasters too.

Hulk, IMO, is not that interesting as Superman is. You cant make a Hulk movie the best thing on the world. The character isn`t as good, IMO, as Superman, Batman, Spider-man or X-men, etc, so people didnt expect the movie to be that good or anything beyond fun entertainment.

I want a reboot done right. Like Batman Begins. Faithful to the character, the comics and putting their own spin into it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

It`s not that a reboot is the cause for these movies to be a disaster. A Superman reboot written bu JJ abrams or Tim Burton would`ve been disasters too.

Hulk, IMO, is not that interesting as Superman is. You cant make a Hulk movie the best thing on the world. The character isn`t as good, IMO, as Superman, Batman, Spider-man or X-men, etc, so people didnt expect the movie to be that good or anything beyond fun entertainment.

I want a reboot done right. Like Batman Begins. Faithful to the character, the comics and putting their own spin into it.

This is what I want also. That's why I want WB to wait several years before trying to do a Superman reboot. Don't rush into a reboot. Wait, and then try again.

 

[SuperDaniel]

I`ll be happy with more animated movies and Smallville(yuck!) for a while. And i can watch DArk Knight as much as i want.

Superman should be taken a break and wait till the rights are away from WB. Maybe then we can get a great Superman movie...

 

[hippie_hunter]

It`s not that a reboot is the cause for these movies to be a disaster. A Superman reboot written bu JJ abrams or Tim Burton would`ve been disasters too.

True.

Hulk, IMO, is not that interesting as Superman is. You cant make a Hulk movie the best thing on the world. The character isn`t as good, IMO, as Superman, Batman, Spider-man or X-men, etc, so people didnt expect the movie to be that good or anything beyond fun entertainment.

I agree with you there, but some people act like a reboot is guaranteed to give Superman success that Batman is experiencing. The Man of Steel can gather the success The Dark Knight is achieving also.

However in reality a reboot or a sequel will probably make at least $100 million more than Superman Returns if made and advertised properly. Chances of mimicking the Dark Knight's success is very slim.

I want a reboot done right. Like Batman Begins. Faithful to the character, the comics and putting their own spin into it.

Superman Returns was actually faithful to the character of Superman. A particular interpretation of it, but still faithful.

It is also faithful to the comics thanks to Geoff Johns. Krypton is similar to the Donner version. Zod is now the exact same character as the Donner version. Lex Luthor is a full blow criminal like the movie version. And stylistically Superman Returns and the comics are very similiar now.

And Singer has stated that he will be bringing his own spin onto Superman with Man of Steel.

 

[SuperDaniel]

LOL. I don't think SR was faithful to the character of Superman AT ALL, specially his motivations and reasons for leaving EARTH or not saying goodbye to Lois. Lois wasn't the character from the comics at all. There was no spunk, no chemistry with Superman. Nothing.

Lex Luthor was a joke in the movie with his one liners and looking for land. THat is just the WORST interpretation of the character.

In the comics he is probably very smart, a scientist and a great criminial. Not someone who hangs around with stupid thugs and ****es like Kitty.

SR was faithful to Superman the movie and that`s it, for me.

 

[SatEL]

LOL. I don't think SR was faithful to the character of Superman AT ALL, specially his motivations and reasons for leaving EARTH or not saying goodbye to Lois. Lois wasn't the character from the comics at all. There was no spunk, no chemistry with Superman. Nothing.

Lex Luthor was a joke in the movie with his one liners and looking for land. THat is just the WORST interpretation of the character.

In the comics he is probably very smart, a scientist and a great criminial. Not someone who hangs around with stupid thugs and ****es like Kitty.

SR was faithful to Superman the movie and that`s it, for me.

It even fails at that.

 

[Anita18]

I agree with you there, but some people act like a reboot is guaranteed to give Superman success that Batman is experiencing. The Man of Steel can gather the success The Dark Knight is achieving also.

It can, but IMO it would be more difficult. TDK can stand on its own, pretty much. Some people might ask why there isn't a Batcave that's an actual cave, but it isn't a serious deviation from the character and beyond that, everything you need to know to accept TDK's plot is in that film.

For MOS, the viewer would have to understand that Jason is Superman's son, and that has a factor in constricting it. It'd depend on how they approach it, though.

Thanks to the Dark Knight, Warner Bros has most likely learned how to properly advertise and time a movie. The Dark Knight had a phenomenal advertising campaign and it had perfect timing (practically no competition).

TDK also had the anomaly of having one of its stars die unexpectedly before release. We will never know for sure, but I bet the mainstream advertising had to be retooled at least a little. The infotainment TV media also did TDK a huge favor advertising-wise by re-running the trailer nonstop while talking about Ledger in January. Who knows how much that affected awareness, since it WAS awareness but 6 entire months before the film came out. There are people who went to see TDK mostly for Ledger, and others who watched the movie not knowing it was Ledger on screen.

But anyway, I guess my point is you can't directly apply TDK's advertising formula and stick it onto every other comic book movie, because the circumstances are always different. Although having really kickass trailers, posters, TV spots, and a viral marketing game probably doesn't hurt.

 

[SatEL]

It can, but IMO it would be more difficult. TDK can stand on its own, pretty much. Some people might ask why there isn't a Batcave that's an actual cave, but it isn't a serious deviation from the character and beyond that, everything you need to know to accept TDK's plot is in that film.

For MOS, the viewer would have to understand that Jason is Superman's son, and that has a factor in constricting it. It'd depend on how they approach it, though.


TDK also had the anomaly of having one of its stars die unexpectedly before release. We will never know for sure, but I bet the mainstream advertising had to be retooled at least a little. The infotainment TV media also did TDK a huge favor advertising-wise by re-running the trailer nonstop while talking about Ledger in January. Who knows how much that affected awareness, since it WAS awareness but 6 entire months before the film came out. There are people who went to see TDK mostly for Ledger, and others who watched the movie not knowing it was Ledger on screen.

But anyway, I guess my point is you can't directly apply TDK's advertising formula and stick it onto every other comic book movie, because the circumstances are always different. Although having really kickass trailers, posters, TV spots, and a viral marketing game probably doesn't hurt.

Dont forget the united fanbase who had a small part in it all, I think that's going to be the driving force of Watchmen as well.

 

[SuperDaniel]

It even fails at that.

Yeah...it didnt have the magic at all.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

LOL. I don't think SR was faithful to the character of Superman AT ALL, specially his motivations and reasons for leaving EARTH or not saying goodbye to Lois. Lois wasn't the character from the comics at all. There was no spunk, no chemistry with Superman. Nothing.

Lex Luthor was a joke in the movie with his one liners and looking for land. THat is just the WORST interpretation of the character.

In the comics he is probably very smart, a scientist and a great criminial. Not someone who hangs around with stupid thugs and ****es like Kitty.

SR was faithful to Superman the movie and that`s it, for me.

Come on, it was more faithful than that, Superman's reasons for leaving Earth were spot on, Superman has always been proud of his heritage, and to find out that Krypton was possibly still there, or heck, that even his real parent's were alive is more than enough motivation for ANY incarnation of Superman to leave, he has left for less in the comics.

As for not saying goodbye to Lois, i think its understandable, i really do, i would hate to see a loved one in pain on account of my actions, Superman was no different.

What people fail to forget about Lois is that she is a mother now, having a child changes people, sometimes DRASTICALLY, i have known plenty of people who were wild and crazy but then had kids, and TOTALLY changed. Besides, she showed plenty of spunk in the boat scene with Lex IMO.

While the land idea wasnt accurate to the Lex of today, his actions were, overly confident, sure of success, and turned into a complete bastard when Superman came onto the scene, i thought the Lex in the 3rd act was superb.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

You know, I have been wanting to post this blind item I found about Singer/Routh, but I can't. However, that blind item seems to be true. And, if it appears to be true then I may have to consider my opinion on the rumors in the gossip. Again, I can't post it here because it's so inflammatory. Yet, I think it's true.

Since I don't know if it is true, all I will say is if it is true then without Singer....there will be no Routh!!!!!

Let me guess, the blind item is that

Spoiler

Singer and Routh were an item, or had gay sex or some other such bullcrap

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Heard it a long time ago, its obviously bull, if thats the one you are referring too.

 

[Anita18]

Dont forget the united fanbase who had a small part in it all, I think that's going to be the driving force of Watchmen as well.

Hard to say. My friend was at Comic Con before Snakes on a Plane opened, and the panel for that film was standing-room only. And it showed us exactly how much Internet hype adds to a film - about $5 million.

TDK has a higher re-watchability factor, and good Internet hype certainly doesn't hurt, but the hardcore fanbase can only add so much. What's really keeping TDK going is the general public's reaction to it. It's almost frightening how people mention it in everyday life. I was at Jiffy Lube the other day, and someone else in the waiting room asked if we had seen the new Batman movie, after a plot synopsis showed up on the TV program. The guy had seen it twice and he wasn't even aware that it was Ledger on screen the first time he saw it.

As for not saying goodbye to Lois, i think its understandable, i really do, i would hate to see a loved one in pain on account of my actions, Superman was no different.

I personally found Supes' reasoning for not saying goodbye to Lois seriously lame. And I'm supposed to be the demographic which eats this up.