Comics The Official Storm vs Jean thread

[StormLegend]

She wasn't battered. She was simply pushed. If her full-force winds can only push her, how powerful does Storm seem against Phoenix?

Besides, just look at the scale difference. Phoenix is a cosmic powerhouse. Storm is a planetary powerhouse. What outweighs the other?

And if Storm was more powerful she would have taken out Phoenix during the Dark Phoenix saga

 

[StormLegend]

double post

 

[Valechan]

No she wouldn't it was very clearly expressed she didn't want to fight Jean, and we saw Jean could not escape her winds, if she had been on top shape, at her full power-level like in 147 with murder in her heart, all she had to do to kill Phoenix was create a massive electromagnetic pulse in her heart, which is what Xorneto did to kill her, which Ororo can do as per the battle with Clor... so yes, Ororo could easily kill Phoenix if she so choosed

 

[StormLegend]

Alright, you've convinced me. Storm can kill Phoenix and vice versa.

 

[BMM]

Storm stands no chance against Phoenix. As for phoenixless Jean, she stands no chance against Storm.

There's nothing to really debate here, people. Phoenix wins, regular Jean doesn't.

Exactly.

 

[Havok83]

No she wouldn't it was very clearly expressed she didn't want to fight Jean, and we saw Jean could not escape her winds, if she had been on top shape, at her full power-level like in 147 with murder in her heart, all she had to do to kill Phoenix was create a massive electromagnetic pulse in her heart, which is what Xorneto did to kill her, which Ororo can do as per the battle with Clor... so yes, Ororo could easily kill Phoenix if she so choosed

and to be fair, Jean could telekinetically do the same to Storm

 

[Valechan]

Not really, electricity disrupts telekinesis, and if it comes to a matter of willpower and who can make their powers work faster... Ororo wins there

It has been more than once demonstrated that Jean cannot use her tk unless she concentrates, how can she concentrate while she is dying? The same way Xorneto killed her Ororo can, and she didn't have time to do anything then

 

[Havok83]

Not really, electricity disrupts telekinesis, and if it comes to a matter of willpower and who can make their powers work faster... Ororo wins there

It has been more than once demonstrated that Jean cannot use her tk unless she concentrates, how can she concentrate while she is dying? The same way Xorneto killed her Ororo can, and she didn't have time to do anything then

Im saying, if Jean wanted to, she could telekinetically created an exploding bubble in Storm's heart, killng her instantly. She doesnt even need to have her Phoenix powers to accomplish that

 

[Valechan]

But it takes time for her to do so, and Ororo can use her powers faster, so no, she can try it but she can't pull it off

 

[BMM]

Assuming Storm would even know what Jean Grey is doing.

 

[rutog98]

Assuming Storm would even know what Jean Grey is doing.

Storm would not have to know what Jean Grey is doing. Storm can hit faster than Jean and Jean does not have the power to stand up to Storm's attacks. Ororo wins this one.

 

[mad_harleyq]

I like Storm, but her abilities (not powers) are ridiculous, her high "will power", I can assure you was only developed because she was a popular character. Technically, Im sure anyone who isnt in denial would know that she would easily be shut down by most skilled telepaths.

Thats what I dislike about comics, even Jeans powers are over-exaggerated, but in Phoenix mode, Storm is deader than dead, period. And a fight between regular Jean and Storm would be a 50/50, you win some you loose some.

I saw someone mention the most recent fight between Emma and Storm, which was written terribly (actually,the whole series). Emma could definitely stand a better chance against Storm, Far more than non-Phoenix Jean. Not only does her telepathy rival Jean and Charles, (personally Ive seen Emma do more with her powers) but she had her diamond form this time around, plus shes smarter than Storm.

Storm would have had a harder time holding Emma back, apparently Emma can lift up to 50 tons while in diamond form and she survived a frikken building collapsing on her. Plus, Storm wouldnt know where exactly to hit Emma for her to shatter, and Im sure Emma could just move her face out of the way (her weak spot).

All Emma would have to do is resist Storms attacks, get her tired, knock her down and then turn back to normal to finish her off, done deal, that fight is bullet proof, I think writers just like Storm more, than to have her defeated at the hands of Emma, which I think is more logical.

 

[The Weather God]

I like Storm, but her abilities (not powers) are ridiculous, her high "will power", I can assure you was only developed because she was a popular character. Technically, Im sure anyone who isnt in denial would know that she would easily be shut down by most skilled telepaths.

Thats what I dislike about comics, even Jeans powers are over-exaggerated, but in Phoenix mode, Storm is deader than dead, period. And a fight between regular Jean and Storm would be a 50/50, you win some you loose some.

I saw someone mention the most recent fight between Emma and Storm, which was written terribly (actually,the whole series). Emma could definitely stand a better chance against Storm, Far more than non-Phoenix Jean. Not only does her telepathy rival Jean and Charles, (personally Ive seen Emma do more with her powers) but she had her diamond form this time around, plus shes smarter than Storm.

Storm would have had a harder time holding Emma back, apparently Emma can lift up to 50 tons while in diamond form and she survived a frikken building collapsing on her. Plus, Storm wouldnt know where exactly to hit Emma for her to shatter, and Im sure Emma could just move her face out of the way (her weak spot).

All Emma would have to do is resist Storms attacks, get her tired, knock her down and then turn back to normal to finish her off, done deal, that fight is bullet proof, I think writers just like Storm more, than to have her defeated at the hands of Emma, which I think is more logical.

Storm's willpower is not the only thing that give her defense to psychics, a measly lightning storm not even focused by storm could give the most powerful of psychics bad feedbacks of pain for just trying to maintain contact with her, not to mention the electrical forces around her brain that already protect her. Emma didn't even have a chance in hell against storm when they were duking it out.

Her diamond form? Going into that would only shorten her chances of winning because she can't even use her telepathy. Like storm said " Diamonds are incredibly hard but not unbreakable" Emma's form has been shattered and storm definitely haves the powerset to do it again.

Also jean gets smashed by storm, now storm vs phoenix that's a decent fight.

 

[mad_harleyq]

Why would a lightning storm or lightning around her brain cause bad feedback? And since when does she have lightning in her brain? If thats even real, it cements how stupid some of her abilities are.

That fight was obviously not thought out like the rest of the series, logically Emma shouldnt have even been affected by any lightning bolts, shes diamond. Emma only has one weak spot, her face and it would have to be hit just right with something that could actually shatter it, Storm does not even know where the weakness is much less how to accurately strike it.

And you kinda contradict yourself by first saying Storm is basically immune to psychic attacks and then saying that Emma's diamond form would lessen her chances of beating her. Im just speaking logically here, how could Storm harm Emma in diamond form.

Storm vs. Phoenix is not a decent fight at all, by the way, and that has nothing to do with Storm, not even 5% of the Marvel universe could beat her alone.

 

[The Weather God]

Why would a lightning storm or lightning around her brain cause bad feedback? And since when does she have lightning in her brain? If thats even real, it cements how stupid some of her abilities are.

Because lightning disputes telepathic links, simple as that. Her willpower is only one barrier they have to get across to even start messing with storm's head, this is why it has been so difficult for telepaths to beat storm with psy abilities.

The electricity/static in her brain is real and effective and has even disrupted phoenix's (amplified by cerebra) telepathic link without even trying.

That fight was obviously not thought out like the rest of the series, logically Emma shouldnt have even been affected by any lightning bolts, shes diamond. Emma only has one weak spot, her face and it would have to be hit just right with something that could actually shatter it, Storm does not even know where the weakness is much less how to accurately strike it.

Emma was effected by the lightning because she tried to go offense, she cannot be in diamond form and use her telepathic abilities at the same time. When she attempted to tamper with storm's mind she was forced to exit her diamond form leaving her vulnerable to storm's wrath.

And you kinda contradict yourself by first saying Storm is basically immune to psychic attacks and then saying that Emma's diamond form would lessen her chances of beating her. Im just speaking logically here, how could Storm harm Emma in diamond form.

I didn't say storm was immune to telepaths but if emma goes into diamond form her offense is taken away, vice versa if she goes for the offense with telepathy she makes herself vulnerable to anything storm could dish out.

Simply put, there is absolutely nothing emma could do to storm in her diamond form, she's not getting close for melee damage and storm haves the powerset to smash her diamond form.

A simple metal pole thrown with hurricane force winds would shatter her to pieces.

Storm vs. Phoenix is not a decent fight at all, by the way, and that has nothing to do with Storm, not even 5% of the Marvel universe could beat her alone.

I didn't say she could beat phoenix i said it would be a decent fight, storm and phoenix both have offense and defense to each other's powers.

 

[Madmax308]

Ladies and Gentlemen this does not have to be about destroying each others characters no matter what character they are whether they are Storm, Jean, Xavier, Emma, Cyclops etc.

Yes Okay Storm can beat everyone now let's let this go please. and move on about the X-men being a family a team instead of redundent. Yuck!t:

 

[Valechan]

Newbies scare me...

For the uninitiated....

 

[Madmax308]

I was on this board about 1 year ago so i'm not exactly a newbie but Okay fair enough you want to call me a newbie.

Anyway i just wanted the arguing to end. I'm not exactly a newbie to comics i just love the X-men as team & family that's all.

 

[Valechan]

End??? The whole point of this thread is to argue!!!! Make a "Official Everyone Loves Each Other thread" if if you don't want people to argue

 

[Madmax308]

End??? The whole point of this thread is to argue!!!! Make a "Official Everyone Loves Each Other thread" if if you don't want people to argue

Well go ahead and argue then i won't be in your way.. Enjoy

 

[Valechan]

LOL Thanks

 

[mad_harleyq]

Newbies scare me...

For the uninitiated....

Wow thats one of the stupidest things Ive read in awhile, Thank god I didnt read that arc, because if it was as bad as Schism.. After reviewing it again, she was in human form when she was hit by lightning, but she also easily made her way into Storms head and the series also indicated that since she has inhabited Storms body, she could do far more damage than any other telepath to her. Storm has static, not lightning in her head, that makes more sense, theyre not the same thing and should still be irrelevant, since when does static harm you like that bad? Theoretically, Emma should be able to beat Storm, but of course so many people like Storm that they would never allow it, its basically only a popularity contest as to why Storm "won", which they never actually finished fighting, then theres the history behind them blah blah blah.

 

[The Weather God]

Wow thats one of the stupidest things Ive read in awhile, Thank god I didnt read that arc, because if it was as bad as Schism.. After reviewing it again, she was in human form when she was hit by lightning, but she also easily made her way into Storms head and the series also indicated that since she has inhabited Storms body, she could do far more damage than any other telepath to her. Storm has static, not lightning in her head, that makes more sense, theyre not the same thing and should still be irrelevant,

Umm who said anything about lightning in her brain?

Storm's willpower is not the only thing that give her defense to psychics, a measly lightning storm not even focused by storm could give the most powerful of psychics bad feedbacks of pain for just trying to maintain contact with her, not to mention the electrical forces around her brain that already protect her.

since when does static harm you like that bad? Theoretically, Emma should be able to beat Storm, but of course so many people like Storm that they would never allow it, its basically only a popularity contest as to why Storm "won", which they never actually finished fighting, then theres the history behind them blah blah blah.

It wasn't about popularity and storm has always been resistant to telepaths in continuity

 

[ChaosJosh]

No she wouldn't it was very clearly expressed she didn't want to fight Jean, and we saw Jean could not escape her winds, if she had been on top shape, at her full power-level like in 147 with murder in her heart, all she had to do to kill Phoenix was create a massive electromagnetic pulse in her heart, which is what Xorneto did to kill her, which Ororo can do as per the battle with Clor... so yes, Ororo could easily kill Phoenix if she so choosed

Yes, but the only reason Jean as Phoenix did not resurrect after Xorneto killed her like she did after Logan killed her was because she was predestined to be reborn in the future to disinfect Sublime.

Anyways....

Why do Storm fans hate Jean anyways? Storm and Jean are close friends in the comics. They call each other sister.

Jean has never been a threat to Storm and vice versa. They alternate being the main alpha female (well at least until Emma joined the team).

They both have their goddess potential... Storm (rogue storm, elemental being)....Jean (Phoenix, White Phoenix).

When they fight Storm almost always wins by shoving wind and dirt down Jean's throat.

And as a big Jean fan, I don't mind. No one is or should be unbeatable. I like Storm too.

Why do we always pit the X-Women against each other? Its as if we can like as many X-Males as we want but we can only like one X-Woman at a time and its some sort of weird competition among them and their fans?



Storm and Phoenix are both great characters and they have never had a negative effect on each other.