The Official Watchmen Question & Answers Thread.

The studio head at WB doesn't like smoking. But apparently, he likes rape and excessive violence.

Really though, if the film was PG-13, i could see this being an issue. But it was an R film. I don't smoke, but i see no reason why people need to vilify it on a constant basis. You're less likely jump the curb and kill 2 people smoking than you would if you were drunk.

It was a stupid studio decision.
 
yeah basically zach said he fought hard just to have Blake smoke studio head has a problem with lead good guys smoking but rape blood and violence is fair game
 
I would've liked to see Laurie smoke at least once, right after leaving Jon.
 
That's pretty stupid. I doubted that it was a Zack idea.

It's beyond ******ed that the studio head is such a nazi about it. Rape, violence, explicit sex and nudity--but no smoking?

And yeah Knight, I was also disapointed that Laurie was not a smoker in the movie. I think it's one of the things that defined her as a character in the book.

Interesting stuff, guys. Thanks.
 
nah not a zach idea he wanted her to smoke but he said he had to fight just for Blake to smoke
 
I don't think those are regular cigarettes they're smoking in the book. :). It's some kind of pipette with something that resembles hashish.
 
I actually didn't notice that, but it is kind of annoying. People smoke, get over it.
 
I don't think those are regular cigarettes they're smoking in the book. :). It's some kind of pipette with something that resembles hashish.

Yes guard--I can grasp that :whatever:. But I doubt that they are in fact smoking hashish :yay:. I think it is raw tobacco held together in a neat ball made for these pipes. Unless everyone in the Watchmen does in fact possess superpowers--superpowers that allow them to ignore one of the most intense highs imaginable and still go on functioning as if they've just had a nice zippy cup 'o joe.

Not really the point here anyhow.
 
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I don't mind rape. Smoke, on the other hand..
 
Yeah this bothered me. It was one of those compromises (never compromise.) that annoyed me in the translation. It's a part of Laurie's personality, which is something the movie lost. It's fun to watch her character throughout the book because she's so easy to relate to, more so even than Dan. She's flawed, she's emotional, and compulsive. Her smoking is one element that allows us to see that. It added a layer of reality to her. Also, the moment where she and Dan finish beating up the knot-tops was intended to feel like they just got laid, and laurie lighting up a smoke added to that. Finally, she comes off as a dumbass in the movie when she just randomly lights the basement on fire without reason.
Finally, it connects her back to the comedian,
her father.
I read an article where Malin Akerman mentioned lighting up a cigarette, so it wasn't an issue of her refusing to do so. Really compulsive and annoying move on the studio head's part to do that. Honestly, is the only thing he finds objectionable that the "good guys" do in the movie smoking? What the hell ever.
 
Yes guard--I can grasp that :whatever:. But I doubt that they are in fact smoking hashish :yay:. I think it is raw tobacco held together in a neat ball made for these pipes. Unless everyone in the Watchmen does in fact possess superpowers--superpowers that allow them to ignore one of the most intense highs imaginable and still go on functioning as if they've just had a nice zippy cup 'o joe.

Not really the point here anyhow.

True.

Although Hashish isn't the substance smoked by Laurie. It is mentioned in the GN that Veidt is quite familiar with the substance.

In one of Veidt's escapades when he was younger he ventured into the wilderness naked while under the influence of a Hashish ball (the psychoactive effects are the same as those of other cannabis preparations such as marijuana).

Seeing as Alan Moore was expelled from high school for selling LSD, I wouldn't be to surprised if there are more drug references in Watchmen that might have been more subtle and harder to catch.
 
I always kind of figured it was some "less intense" version of hashish or something. Especially when Veidt mentions it. Oh, that Alan Moore and his drug references.
 
I always kind of figured it was some "less intense" version of hashish or something. Especially when Veidt mentions it. Oh, that Alan Moore and his drug references.
How awesome would it be to smoke a J with Alan Moore? THat would be the most fun/life-changing experience ever
 
In the Prison Break scene, does Rorschach [blackout]flush Big Boss in the toilet[/blackout]???
 
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I always kind of figured it was some "less intense" version of hashish or something. Especially when Veidt mentions it. Oh, that Alan Moore and his drug references.

Yeah, except that Vedit clearly says that he EATS the hashish ball--he doesn't smoke it. So--I doubt that they are smoking anything other than tobacco.

Imagine if you were both really high and he started angrily reading his panel descriptions of "from hell" to you
oh jesus i would cry

That would be some harrowing ****. What if he made you comb his beard while he read the passages?!

"COMB MY BEARD--YOU INNNSSSECT!!!!"
 
i have yet to read the GN, but what is up with the Squid and whats the fuss over it?
 
i have yet to read the GN, but what is up with the Squid and whats the fuss over it?

In the book instead of framing DR Manhattan and using his replicated energy to destroy various cities around the world, what Veidt does is create a fake alien creature (the Squid) and transports it to New York, which is destroyed as the creature dies (it cannot survive the teleportation, a fact Veidt is aware of). Instead of the world uniting out of fear of Manhattan like in the film, the world unites to defend Earth against Alien invasion and future Alien threats.
The books also involves some of the most emotionally powerful and harrowing scenes from comic book history, with hundreds of bloody corpses littering the streets of New York. A big disapointment with the film is that alot of this emotionally disturbing imagry is removed, and instead New York essentially becomes a crater.
The Squid ending also contains alot of different meanings and alot can be read into it. It is intentionally cheesy, a B-movie monster used to unite the world in the biggest practical joke in history. This is partly what caused the Comedian to crack and have a breakdown at Moloch's. This scene is still in the film, but I don't think Blake would react the same way to simple explosions, which is what the films ending essentially is. Blake seemed unconcerned with the growing threat of Nuclear War, so I think it was the method of salvation which terrified him. After all, in the book, he begins to talk about the scientists and artists who are helping create the creature, but cannot finish his sentences due to being traumatiased by what he has discovered. The creature also has a central "all seeing" eye, a theme which runs throughout Watvhmen (Adrian has a third "all-seeing" eye on this costume in both and the book and film, although in different places).
The books ending also involves just New York being destroyed, not major cities all over the world. In the film, by destroying multiple cities all over the world, Adrian essentially removes all the targets of a Nuclear War anyway. There is no Nuclear fallout, but he has still destroyed most of the cities a war would have destroye anyway. It is also much more of a cliched "villainous" action. By only destroying New York in the book, Adrian's intellect comes through more than in the film, as he shows that he knows by targeting one place at one time with one creature he could save and unite the world. The less deaths caused by this singular city being destroyed also allows for a better debate on whether or not Adrian is a villain or a hero, as it is more comparable to historic events, such as the bombings of Japan in WW2.
Sorry for going off on a rant there, but thats the essential differences between the film and book endings. As you can probably tell I prefer the book's ending alot more.
 
A pair of questions
1) moloch was used by ozzymandias for Rorschach's incarceration but was moloch choose for that in the beggining?? Because ozzy used him after comedian's break but in the flashback we see ozzy putting the radiactive device years ago. so....was just a coincidence? the GN says something more about it?:grin:
2) did Dr manhattan teletransport or destroy the people in the TV set?
 
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A pair of questions
1) moloch was used by ozzymandias for Rorschach's incarceration but was moloch choose for that in the beggining?? Because ozzy used him after comedian's break but in the flashback we see ozzy putting the radiactive device years ago. so....was just a coincidence? the GN says something more about it?:grin:
2) did Dr manhattan teletransport or destroy the people in the TV set?
"teletransport"
 

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