The Dark Knight Rises The Official "What Do YOU Want in the Sequel?" Thread

[Lobster Charlie]

Good question. If we go from rotting and grungy to sleek and refined...what is the logical progression from here? Or, better yet, in an evolution of anything, what is the next most obvious step?

I think it'll have to return to it's grungy beginnings. Batman is an outcast, Gotham's White Knight is dead, and the Joker had the last laugh. We're going to have to see Gotham at it's very worst now, maybe even worse than before Bruce left for his training. Freaks everywhere, complete and total chaos. Police versus freaks, freaks versus normal crooks, freaks versus freaks, and everyone versus Batman.

I think it'll be a complete descent into chaos, even worse than in TDK. But there will be a rebirth. Batman is left on the run at the end of TDK. The mansion is being rebuilt, the cave is getting updated. Bruce will have to go back home, find his purpose again (we'll finally get a grave site visit, I'm betting), and remember why he got into this to begin with.

His suit will change into something far more visceral than what we've seen. It'll take the best of both so far---that of animal rage and hi-tech performance, combine them, and he'll be back as the perfect combination of both. We've seen him as the angry demon terrorizing crooks in BB, we've seen him as the detective and tactician in TDK, now we'll see the Batman we've always wanted to see---the calculating, brooding, dark gothic creature that we've grown to love in the comics. Since he isn't welcome in Gotham anymore, he's lost the love of his life and his one true hope for a normal life, now he's got nothing but this demon.

Or something like that.

 

[Rasputin911]

Good question. If we go from rotting and grungy to sleek and refined...what is the logical progression from here? Or, better yet, in an evolution of anything, what is the next most obvious step?

I think it'll have to return to it's grungy beginnings. Batman is an outcast, Gotham's White Knight is dead, and the Joker had the last laugh. We're going to have to see Gotham at it's very worst now, maybe even worse than before Bruce left for his training. Freaks everywhere, complete and total chaos. Police versus freaks, freaks versus normal crooks, freaks versus freaks, and everyone versus Batman.

I think it'll be a complete descent into chaos, even worse than in TDK. But there will be a rebirth. Batman is left on the run at the end of TDK. The mansion is being rebuilt, the cave is getting updated. Bruce will have to go back home, find his purpose again (we'll finally get a grave site visit, I'm betting), and remember why he got into this to begin with.

His suit will change into something far more visceral than what we've seen. It'll take the best of both so far---that of animal rage and hi-tech performance, combine them, and he'll be back as the perfect combination of both. We've seen him as the angry demon terrorizing crooks in BB, we've seen him as the detective and tactician in TDK, now we'll see the Batman we've always wanted to see---the calculating, brooding, dark gothic creature that we've grown to love in the comics. Since he isn't welcome in Gotham anymore, he's lost the love of his life and his one true hope for a normal life, now he's got nothing but this demon.

Or something like that.

because all that will fit into one coherent film...

 

[Bubastis]

Like anybody thought that everything in the dark knight had a snowball's chance in hell of being a coherent film with all of it's plots interwoven.

Well, what do you want to be the primary color?

 

[Lobster Charlie]

I know a lot of folks are thinking "green," because they think The Riddler will be the main villain in the next one, but I'd personally like to see this film using a lot of blacks. Something like out of The Godfather II.

 

[Bubastis]

Well yeah but can black really be used as a color? Even if that hadn't been done in Batman Returns it seems to me that black was used in Begins and TDK, it had just been used as a backdrop against Blue and Brown

 

[Eggyman]

I'd love it if they used red as the colour.

 

[Bubastis]

Another thing to dwell on is that Batman Begins has the Batmobile, The Batcave, and heavy focus on the death of Wayne's parents. Dark Knight focused on the detective side of batman, and the part of bruce wayne that hates batman.

 

[Lauryn2000]

Mad-Hat......ter.............

 

[GregComicFan]

I concur with Red being the favorite color-scheme for Batman 3.

 

[8wid]

Themes such as solitude, alienation, duty, self-analysis, and others play as Gotham learns to fight for its own justice in the third film.

 

[namtaB]

I think Schumacher Pink would be an awesome color.

 

[margon]

this film will be lots of stark glaring whites and heavily saturated colours in little bursts here and there

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I always viewed the Dark Knight as more of a companion piece than a sequel; because they both approach Batman in a different way, and cover completely different edges of the Batman Mytos.

Batman Begins
This movie focuses closely on The Long Halloween and The Man who falls. It's villains are Scarecrow, Ra's Ahl Ghul, and Carmine Falcone.
Everything in this film feels organic and yet grungy. Wet, rusty, rotting, and yet alive. The primary color tends to be brown. Most importantly, Batman is built up (brilliantly) as a beast. His presence is that of a monster, something larger than Bruce Wayne.
And it's all about FEAR.

The Dark Knight
This movie focuses on The Long Halloween and Misc. works by Frank Miller. It's villains are the Joker and Two-Face.
Everything in the film feels cold and steely, slick, with bits of corrupted grunge. Urban in a much more clean sense than Batman Begins. Batman here is played up as a detective. More clearly a human, he is seen by some as a vigilante, and by some as a hero. His suit is industrial and functional, wheras the last one looked very animalistic.
And it's all about corruption, duality, limits, and responsibility.

Where do we go from here?

I'd say "Dark Victory", "Arkham Asylum", "No Man's Land", and some of Dini's work as the inspiration.

 

[CaptainClown]

Bruce Wayne abusing his power and becoming almost like a Big Brother in Gotham. His vigilante activities becoming increasingly violent as he becomes lost in his Batman persona, becoming a true product of his environment.

 

[Cancer4TheCure]

Well this film were certainly be dark if made, but keep in mind - Batman took the fall for Dent. Sure, the city will still have freaks, but the whole ending of TDK suggests that faith in the government system has been restored, even to the point where one man (Dent) gave his life for it.

 

[CaptainClown]

I didn't see the faith in the government restored at all in TDK. If anything it showed the audience that the government is still lying and "corrupt" but spreading white lies about Batman for a greater good. If you are a citizen of Gotham nothing has been revealed to you. If anything it demonized Batman more, he wouldn't take his mask off and had people killed; then you hear about him going around killing cops. That group of police worked with Batman, a criminal. Hell I would perceive the cops in Gotham as just a bunch of useless corrupt S.O.B.s

 

[NotAShrimp]

I always viewed the Dark Knight as more of a companion piece than a sequel; because they both approach Batman in a different way, and cover completely different edges of the Batman Mytos.

Batman Begins
This movie focuses closely on The Long Halloween and The Man who falls. It's villains are Scarecrow, Ra's Ahl Ghul, and Carmine Falcone.
Everything in this film feels organic and yet grungy. Wet, rusty, rotting, and yet alive. The primary color tends to be brown. Most importantly, Batman is built up (brilliantly) as a beast. His presence is that of a monster, something larger than Bruce Wayne.
And it's all about FEAR.

The Dark Knight
This movie focuses on The Long Halloween and Misc. works by Frank Miller. It's villains are the Joker and Two-Face.
Everything in the film feels cold and steely, slick, with bits of corrupted grunge. Urban in a much more clean sense than Batman Begins. Batman here is played up as a detective. More clearly a human, he is seen by some as a vigilante, and by some as a hero. His suit is industrial and functional, wheras the last one looked very animalistic.
And it's all about corruption, duality, limits, and responsibility.

Where do we go from here?

The part with the TV Host hanging upside down, while Joker was filming reminds me of Gotham Central. If Nolan makes new Batman movie, I bet that the TV host is going to write a book and we will see commercials about it. Cause in Gotham Central that happened and there was Joker with rifle on the cover, so I think it would be really nice add to remind us about the Joker. I think they should use more stuff from Gotham Central comics, and ofcourse include Harvey Bullock. I wouldn't mind if they used the No Man's Land earthquake story, that would be awesome. Especially now when Batman is hunted by the police.

I also think they should focus more on Batman and not the villains, like in Batman Begins. Having Riddler as villain would be good idea, but they should treat him like they treated Ra's and Scarcrow in Begins. Not giving him to much screentime, but Batman doing some detective work on Riddler's riddles and traps.

 

[kid dropper]

Gotham Central would be an excellent guide for Nolan. Other than his films they are the most realistic portrayal of the city and its inner workings, i hope hes aware of the series. They need a tv show, it could be like The Wire, but in Gotham, in effect making it the greatest television show of all time. Books 2 and 3 are the absolute best.

 

[Robin91939]

Themes such as solitude, alienation, duty, self-analysis, and others play as Gotham learns to fight for its own justice in the third film.

So you want this to be the third film in a series of four?


You can't have this film have any theme BUT the theme of redemption and hope. That's the theme here. If you do any other theme, you will ultimately have to deal with redemption, so you will need another film.

He needs to redeem himself. He needs to redeem the people's faith in justice. And he will have to redeem their faith in true heroes like himself and James Gordon (who will no doubt be under close scrutiny by the taxpayers).

Things should get worse than ever before. The Joker should have opened the floodgates of madness. Freaks should flock to Gotham and it should be all out war for the city. Freak vs. the mob. Freaks vs. the cops, Batman vs. cops, Batman vs Freaks/mob, cops vs. mob, it should be an absolute may lee. The Joker's presence should be felt that way.

The people of the city should lose faith in their officials, protectors and the Batman.

YET- some select few, should carry the torch dropped by Harvey Dent (not Two-Face) and show the city that not all hope is lost.

This is going to take a villain that will highlight the corruption of the city, much like the Joker did, but we need to publicly see these heroes rise.

Let's maybe see Crispus Allen, Harvey Bullock, Renee Montoya, Clancy O'Hara, Maggie Sawyer, Sarge Davies, Mike Atkins, etc become part of an elite task force that is seen rises to the top, above the corruption.

Another possible way to go with the hope and redemption theme would be to introduce Dick Grayson.

-R

 

[Rasputin911]

People are puttin too much emphasis on faith.

Faith has to be rewarded, remember. Just giving people faith for its own sake is stupid...look where it got them with Harvey (or Batman, depending on how you look at it).

Batman should earn back the people's faith in him, but Gotham citizens should be continually savvy, and have a healthy distrust of the city's power structure. They should realize that only Batman is incorruptible, and therefore stand up for themselves rather than wait for a "White Knight" like Dent to come along.

If faith only comes through lies and deceit and tyranny on Batman's part, it isn't worth it.

 

[kid dropper]

amen

 

[Why So Cereal?]

I would like to see it go to more of a mythical root...Batman becomes just a whisper among the people of Gotham

 

[Max Rebo]

i would really like to see clayface thrown into the next Batman film. he definately has never been done. i know clayface isnt the most realistic character. id even like to see a more realistic mr. freeze, skinny with glasses. i feel he would go well with the cold atmosphere nolan projects sometimes. what do you guys think about clayface?

 

[Borat]

Good question. If we go from rotting and grungy to sleek and refined...what is the logical progression from here? Or, better yet, in an evolution of anything, what is the next most obvious step?

I think it'll have to return to it's grungy beginnings. Batman is an outcast, Gotham's White Knight is dead, and the Joker had the last laugh. We're going to have to see Gotham at it's very worst now, maybe even worse than before Bruce left for his training. Freaks everywhere, complete and total chaos. Police versus freaks, freaks versus normal crooks, freaks versus freaks, and everyone versus Batman.

I think it'll be a complete descent into chaos, even worse than in TDK. But there will be a rebirth. Batman is left on the run at the end of TDK. The mansion is being rebuilt, the cave is getting updated. Bruce will have to go back home, find his purpose again (we'll finally get a grave site visit, I'm betting), and remember why he got into this to begin with.

His suit will change into something far more visceral than what we've seen. It'll take the best of both so far---that of animal rage and hi-tech performance, combine them, and he'll be back as the perfect combination of both. We've seen him as the angry demon terrorizing crooks in BB, we've seen him as the detective and tactician in TDK, now we'll see the Batman we've always wanted to see---the calculating, brooding, dark gothic creature that we've grown to love in the comics. Since he isn't welcome in Gotham anymore, he's lost the love of his life and his one true hope for a normal life, now he's got nothing but this demon.

Or something like that.

That sounds amazing.

 

[Thythoutrust]

A couple of days ago, while watching TDK I thought about the tumbler and how it was inspired from The Dark Knight Returns and stuff...

That made me think how good this comic was and I thought well, how interesting it would be to see Batman in a couple of years. Like not coming back from retirement like in the comic but more like seeing the caped crusader during his last days. That francly is the only way I could see Nolan's Batman series end.

TDK happens a year after the events of BB and we already see how Bruce Wayne is tired, scarred and how he's ready to give his mantle to Harvey Dent quite easily. But imagine if it lasted 10 years...20 years.

Nowadays with SFX and technology we could easily make Bale look older, just look at Benjamin Button... And wouldn't that kinda make more sense to pick an older actor to play the Joker since Heath's death? I was thinking about maybe someone like Philip Seymour Hoffman (no penguin please) in the role of an older and pretty much bigger and changed Joker, I'm pretty sure he could keep some roots from TDK and no one is the same after 20 years.

We could see flashbacks from all these years Batman spent fighting crime and in the end he could actualy die or simply give his cowl to someone( wich is unlikely I'll admit).

If this sequel is the last of the serie, it'd either means that the end of the third movie will show Batman ending his crimefighting career or that the story will take place years after the events of TDK.
It'd be just stupid to make the whole Nolan Universe last 3 years.