The Dark Knight Rises The Official "What Do YOU Want in the Sequel?" Thread

[Figs]

What confines?

Short of a more serious take, outlawing spandex and simply not using Clayface-level villains, what confines has he set that must be adhered to?

I don't quite get that comment of his either. Only thing I can think of is if he means they should never go back to the lighthearted or cheesy style.

 

[Saint]

What confines?

I wasn't actually making an argument about Nolan's world being confining; I was responding to an argument that stated Nolan shouldn't introduce Dick Grayson, as the next filmmaker may not wish to use him, which seems like a preposterous argument to me. If another filmmaker doesn't want to deal with the universe Nolan builds, then he shouldn't be making a direct sequel at all. As another example, Harvey Dent and Ra's Al Ghul are dead in these films; there are realities one has to accept if making a sequel.

 

[The Guard]

Ohhhh.

 

[ALP]

What about the look of Gotham and certain characters? If a director is working in Nolan's world they will indeed be working within certain confines. They can't use Two Face because he's dead and their Joker would have to be like Heath's.

But that is if the director is following Nolan's lead exactly. They can go the distant sequel route like Schumacher but that is bound to fail. I can't see the comic fans being happy with a director to come in and make sequels to what Nolan did but also be drastically different. Again, that is the Schumacher route. He used the same Gordon and Alfred, kept it in the same universe yet also made something completely different but was still confined by things such as not being able to use the Joker. The other option is the Brett Ratter route which was him trying to emulate Singer's style and vision.

Two of my favorite filmmakers Jean Pierre Jeunet and Guillermo Del Toro both turned down the Harry Potter films around the mid-2000s and I have nothing but respect for them. And they both gave the exact same answer, they did not want to work within the confines of what came previously. If they took on Harry Potter half way through they would have to work with creatures that looked a certain way, the overall look of Hogwarts castle, and especially the main cast and principle actors. They would be working with the cast that Columbus set up- not the particular cast they would want.

Thus the confines of working in a world you don't initially begin.

 

[PreK]

So who's seen the brand-new Arkham City trailer? It's about time we have some actual material to represent our wishes.

For anyone satisfied with the fight choreography (and the way it was shot) so far in these films, please refer to this latest trailer. I challenge anyone to tell me what was seen in those 2 minutes isn't more faithful to Batman's agility and fighting prowess, more than any other film so far.

It looked brutal, real, and more importantly, it looked awesome. Nothing was sacrificed to make Bats look like a machine.

 

[Mr. Earle]

You know what i want in the sequel? To get here soon enough so that we'll be done with Nolan and they can start making movies like Akrham City.

That trailer blew my mind!

So who's seen the brand-new Arkham City trailer? It's about time we have some actual material to represent our wishes.

For anyone satisfied with the fight choreography (and the way it was shot) so far in these films, please refer to this latest trailer. I challenge anyone to tell me what was seen in those 2 minutes isn't more faithful to Batman's agility and fighting prowess, more than any other film so far.

It looked brutal, real, and more importantly, it looked awesome. Nothing was sacrificed to make Bats look like a machine.

To be fair it is graphics. A real person in a real suit, trying to fight with a long cape would be really hard to pull off. But that's where movie magic comes in. Stuff like trick suits specifically made for fight scenes, CGI, etc can make it possible.

 

[ALP]

You know what i want in the sequel? To get here soon enough so that we'll be done with Nolan and they can start making movies like Akrham City.

That trailer blew my mind!

To be fair it is graphics. A real person in a real suit, trying to fight with a long cape would be really hard to pull off. But that's where movie magic comes in. Stuff like trick suits specifically made for fight scenes, CGI, etc can make it possible.

But Nite-Owl was also a real person in a suit and his action scenes looked way better than any of the fight scenes in TDK. In fact there's not a single really memorable fight scene in any of the Batman films. It's all pretty boring imo, especially compared to Watchmen, Spider-Man, Casino Royale, etc/ I guess the best in Nolan's movies is when Batman was fighting the ninjas at the end of BB b/c at least he was going up against someone who could put up a fight.

 

[TheBatman072]

Fighting looked the same to me.

 

[PreK]

I actually did notice the choreography featured lots of elbows, not unlike the style used in the films.

However it's pretty evident the fights are shot with higher clarity, and edited much better as well.

 

[RustyCage]

In fact there's not a single really memorable fight scene in any of the Batman films.

That's pushing it, ALP. At least for me.

 

[RustyCage]

You know what i want in the sequel? To get here soon enough so that we'll be done with Nolan and they can start making movies like Akrham City.

I'd prefer something other than a direct reflection of those games. The whole Gears of Batman look is pretty pukeworthy in my opinion.

 

[ALP]

That's pushing it, ALP. At least for me.

Please tell me which fights in the Batman movies were as memorable as Doc Ock vs Spidey, Nite Owl and Silky vs the guards in prison, or any of the fight scenes in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. Hell we haven't even gotten a fight that matches The Punisher vs The Russian!!!

Batman punching through some thugs in Maroni's club? Knocking out a few guys in Lau's place? Kilmer doing a bunch of dance moves? Well I guess there was Michael Keaton vs Ray Charles

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I hope the fight scenes are just a bit better this go around. They were good in BB and TDK, and I know he's batman and all, but at least wait for him to hit you before falling down.

 

[Boom]

-Hugo Strange.
-Catwoman.
-Detective Batman.
-New Batsuit.
-New Batmobile.
-Wayne Manor.
-The Batcave.
-The Narrows.
-Fog.

 

[Nightwing 52]

If we get a fight scene anything like the Arkham City trailer, I'll be happy.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I'd prefer something other than a direct reflection of those games. The whole Gears of Batman look is pretty pukeworthy in my opinion.

You mean that he is huge? Yeah he is, and that's because Jim Lee did the designs. Look the design isnt perfect, but its so damn close to it.

I hope the fight scenes are just a bit better this go around. They were good in BB and TDK, and I know he's batman and all, but at least wait for him to hit you before falling down.

So true!

 

[Saint]

You mean that he is huge? Yeah he is, and that's because Jim Lee did the designs. Look the design isnt perfect, but its so damn close to it.

Jim Lee didn't do the designs, Wildstorm did (which Jim Lee founded).

Batman's design is one of the few genuinely mediocre aspects in the game. The suit design is pretty solid (with the exception of the ridiculous mega-gauntlets) but the body itself is pretty silly. As Regwec once put it, Batman looks like a sack of potatoes with a pen cap on top. He's got these ridiculous spherical shoulders and this weird, narrowing head, and yeah, it looks like Gears of Batman.

A more humanly proportioned model in the same basic costume would be better. It's fine to make Batman bigger than your average guy, but they went overboard. This is mitigated by the fact that everything in the game is designed in a similar, over-the-top fashion, so Batman's crazy appearance at least looks like it fits, though.

 

[ALP]

Exactly. I said before that the proportions were my least favorite part of the game. Seriously, even James Gordon has this massive frame. He looks just as big as Batman lmao

But it all fits in the over the top nature of the game so it's not a big problem. Although I do think Bane and Croc were just too big, bane at least.

 

[Brother Jack]

But Nite-Owl was also a real person in a suit and his action scenes looked way better than any of the fight scenes in TDK.

The fights were laughable in that movie.

If we get a fight scene anything like the Arkham City trailer, I'll be happy.

It actually looked very similar to the KFM used in the Nolan's films (as it did in the first game). The difference is in the choreography, which is wider and more expansive. It's definitely something I'd love to see in Dark Knight Rises, but it really isn't any different to broadening the move set.

 

[ModestMr.Green]

In fact there's not a single really memorable fight scene in any of the Batman films.

I'd say the final fight with the Joker in TDK was pretty memorable, but you're probably more referring to Bats' fighting technique than the Joker's wild brutality.

 

[ALP]

The fights were laughable in that movie.

Really, you burst into laughter when the comedian was being killed or during the prison sequence? I thought Nite Owl during the prison scene at the least was terrific and pulled off far more varied moves than Batman in TDK who almost never even lifted his legs off the ground. Just a few elbows here and there.

I'd say the final fight with the Joker in TDK was pretty memorable, but you're probably more referring to Bats' fighting technique than the Joker's wild brutality.

Well I guess you could count that but yeah, I mean mostly as far as Batman's moves. Was there any cool moves he even did to the Joker? I thought the most memorable bit was Joker going nuts with the crowbar, nothing Batman himself really did.

 

[The Joker]

Joker going ballistic with the crowbar reminded me of 'A Death in the family'.

 

[batman11]

Batman punching through some thugs in Maroni's club?

You didn't enjoy the brief club scene?

Sure those guys were no match, but that's what I loved about it. He almost literally appears in the club out of nowhere (I say 'almost,' cause he had to come from somewhere t, takes out 8 guys in like 22 seconds (a rate of 2.75 thugs/second) and pounces onto Maroni without stopping to breathe. One man wrecking ball. My favorite part of it, which a few people I know missed, is when he dumps the thug over the railing. Bats is very clearly on a 2nd tier/floor of the club, and you can hear the screams from the people below as they look up to see a thug headed straight for them. I admit, it made me laugh. I love how non-chalant he is about it. Dumps guy from second floor, keeps on trucking.

 

[RustyCage]

Please tell me which fights in the Batman movies were as memorable as Doc Ock vs Spidey, Nite Owl and Silky vs the guards in prison, or any of the fight scenes in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. Hell we haven't even gotten a fight that matches The Punisher vs The Russian!!!

Actually, I got a somewhat similar vibe from the bit where Batman was dismantling the guys in Maroni's club compared to the prison break scene with Nite Owl and Silk Spectre in Watchmen. There was that sensation of them moving forward down a straight path, doing cool moves to mow through multiple guys.

The difference was, obviously, Zack Snyder's dramatic slow mo camera and the lighting, with both of the characters doing some overly flaunty moves. Meanwhile Batman was appropriately and realistically concise and concealed.

Every single fight scene between Ra's and Bruce/Batman in Begins spring to mind as great examples in terms of quality. Same with the prison fight: 'You're not the Devil'. The way he roared and ripped all those guys down as the camera whirled around the scene. Awesome. (More of that camera effect please, Nolan!!) In terms of memorability, there's the ever-iconic bell tower fight in Batman '89, and Batman Returns had those tense Catwoman tangles.

I also don't see how you couldn't find Batman wtfpwning all those SWAT guys with their own guns while simultaneously roping them all together to get dangled off the side of a building to be memorable.

Same goes for Lau's henchmen; he was all business, clobbering them efficiently and redirecting their gun fire and dragging them through broken glass by their feet, all after smashing through a bloody window and just going straight for them without a second's pause. And when he would like tumble for cover in a whirl of cape (totally a BTAS move). That was thrilling to me, even though I find TDK's choreography to be quite stiff at times.

I could go on, I guess.

 

[RustyCage]

The fights were laughable in that movie.

I liked them, but they seemed unnecessarily cartoony to me in some ways. Rorschach VS the police was great - if rushed (sometimes the camera bugs me too).

Joker going ballistic with the crowbar reminded me of 'A Death in the family'.

Jim Lee didn't do the designs, Wildstorm did (which Jim Lee founded).

Batman's design is one of the few genuinely mediocre aspects in the game. The suit design is pretty solid (with the exception of the ridiculous mega-gauntlets) but the body itself is pretty silly. As Regwec once put it, Batman looks like a sack of potatoes with a pen cap on top. He's got these ridiculous spherical shoulders and this weird, narrowing head, and yeah, it looks like Gears of Batman.

A more humanly proportioned model in the same basic costume would be better. It's fine to make Batman bigger than your average guy, but they went overboard. This is mitigated by the fact that everything in the game is designed in a similar, over-the-top fashion, so Batman's crazy appearance at least looks like it fits, though.

Thanks for summing that up for me, Saint. This is what I meant, Earle.

(Edit: Wrong name. Too many posts at once!)