Iron Man 2 The Official Whiplash Thread

[cerealkiller182]

Oh ok, now I see what your saying.

What I meant was that at first Rourke would be Whiplash from the comics and whatnot. Then as I said before, after him and Hammer realize they need something stronger/better to stop Iron Man Whiplash(Rourke)gets in the CD suit.

The thing I didn't realize from your previous post is that you thought I was saying to include the whips in CD's design.

I guess were on the same page somewhat, when I said it wouldn't be a bad idea to combine the characters I didn't mean give CD Whiplash's whip/s later on. Just that the man inside controlling CD would be Whiplash instead of the creator(Anton Vanko) or the other Russians who have worn it over the years.

^^^^^I think that is very probable

 

[Venom'sDad]

I think he will be Crimson Dynamo with Whiplash weapons included in his arsenal.

It may have been a planned mistake in reporting to build buzz and gauge public opinion.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Oh ok, now I see what your saying.

What I meant was that at first Rourke would be Whiplash from the comics and whatnot. Then as I said before, after him and Hammer realize they need something stronger/better to stop Iron Man Whiplash(Rourke)gets in the CD suit.

The thing I didn't realize from your previous post is that you thought I was saying to include the whips in CD's design.

I guess were on the same page somewhat, when I said it wouldn't be a bad idea to combine the characters I didn't mean give CD Whiplash's whip/s later on. Just that the man inside controlling CD would be Whiplash instead of the creator(Anton Vanko) or the other Russians who have worn it over the years.

Ah... I am with you on that. Like Rourke's character would be the "test pilot" for the vaious suits and gear that is devised... He would try it all out on IM at different times. That would be good.

Now on another matter... I love Sam Rockwell, but I am inclined to say that Terrance Stamp would have made a better eccentric multi-billionaire, industrialist, in the vein of the 616 Hammer. James woods would be good for a change up, to give Hammer the kind of wit and personality that squares off with RDJ. I am not feeling Rockwell for Hammer... but I would love to be surprised, because like I said, I love Rockwell.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Anyone competent in identifying a performance would be the first to admit that Bridges as Stane was not exactly his best work... again you don't go into these movies expecting someone's best acting performances. I am sure the performance will be solid enough... for entertainment purposes.

Agreed.

I don't know s**t about Iron Man so it's interesting to you guys thoughts on the casting.

 

[Keyser Soze]

If Rourke is in it, I would kind of hope him to be Crimson Dynamo.

But weren't cold war Russian type of characters and villains dated? Isn't that why Emil Blonsky was made into British military in TIH?

I dunno, I'd say with the current political climate, Russian villains will be coming back into vogue...

 

[Rich Santoro]

If Rourke is in it, I would kind of hope him to be Crimson Dynamo.

But weren't cold war Russian type of characters and villains dated? Isn't that why Emil Blonsky was made into British military in TIH?

My understanding is that Roth was not keen on honing the accent, so they embellished making hima Brit.

As for cold war characters... why not a former Soviet... A former Soviet pilot merc'ing himself out to a weapons designer seems to make sense. He is looking for a pay-check, and his skills would be an asset to the weapons manufacturers. The story would not be about the Iron-curtain, or East v. West, or the struggle for democracy... it would just be a guy who likes to blow $h!t up.

 

[Figs]

Ah... I am with you on that. Like Rourke's character would be the "test pilot" for the vaious suits and gear that is devised... He would try it all out on IM at different times. That would be good.

Now on another matter... I love Sam Rockwell, but I am inclined to say that Terrance Stamp would have made a better eccentric multi-billionaire, industrialist, in the vein of the 616 Hammer. James woods would be good for a change up, to give Hammer the kind of wit and personality that squares off with RDJ. I am not feeling Rockwell for Hammer... but I would love to be surprised, because like I said, I love Rockwell.

Oh my god how I would have loved to see James Woods as Hammer going up against RDJ as Stark!

Both of them have that natural smartass attitude that would have been great to see on screen.

 

[Isildur´s Heir]

So, Whiplash ends on being Crimson Dynamo?
That´s stupid.

And Sam Rockwell as Hammer.
That´s just bad casting, Hammer is an old guy, Rockwell is not.

 

[Rich Santoro]

So, Whiplash ends on being Crimson Dynamo?
That´s stupid.

And Sam Rockwell as Hammer.
That´s just bad casting, Hammer is an old guy, Rockwell is not.

Well, Whiplash is really a uniform and gear (the whips). So, if the story were to follow the line of thinking that Figs articulated... then, while Whiplash would end in the movie, when the Rourke-character dons the CD suit, Whiplash would still be around in the sense that anyone can wear the outfit and use the whips...

I am with you on Rockwell. Not sure how it would work. I am hoping that the buzz is off the mark and Rockwell has some other role.

 

[Keyser Soze]

And Sam Rockwell as Hammer.
That´s just bad casting, Hammer is an old guy, Rockwell is not.

While it's a departure from the comics, I think Sam Rockwell could be a great Justin Hammer for the movieverse. Now, I don't mean this as a slight to Sam Rockwell, who I think is a great, sorely underrated actor. But I can immediately imagine him as a guy who wants to be Robert Downey Jr, but never will be, because he lacks the charm and the natural charisma. And that kind of imperfect mirror image dynamic, and the obsessive envy it could generate, makes for a compelling rival to Tony Stark, in my opinion.

 

[Iron_Stark]

I also agree that Rourke starts out as Whiplash and ends up being CD, it'll be stupid.

IMO Rockwall should be Professor Anton Vanko, design and wear the suit for a fight or two, realise he made a mistake join Stark Industries as a scientist and then have Rourke/Boris Turgenev steal the suit and become the second Crimson Dynamo. Just like in the comics.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Now I know I'm not the most qualified person to say this, as I have never really been into the Iron Man comics (though I intend to GET into them), but making some changes to the comics as pertains to the villains doesn't really worry me, if it means a stronger story. Elements of Stane were changed in the first film, and it didn't spell disaster. So if they want to make Justin Hammer younger, or alter Crimson Dynamo/Whiplash/whoever in order for the part to fit MICKEY F'N ROURKE, then that's fine by me.

 

[Chewy]

Now I know I'm not the most qualified person to say this, as I have never really been into the Iron Man comics (though I intend to GET into them), but making some changes to the comics as pertains to the villains doesn't really worry me, if it means a stronger story. Elements of Stane were changed in the first film, and it didn't spell disaster. So if they want to make Justin Hammer younger, or alter Crimson Dynamo/Whiplash/whoever in order for the part to fit MICKEY F'N ROURKE, then that's fine by me.

Agreed. Especially considering there have been a handful of different Whiplashes and more than a dozen Crimson Dynamos in the comics.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Great news! Crimson Dynamo? I've been waiting to see him on screen. Also, I'm very excited to see Hammer as well.

 

[luke1234]

Great news! Crimson Dynamo? I've been waiting to see him on screen. Also, I'm very excited to see Hammer as well.

Yeah i agree im pretty stoked to see this. Lets hope Rourke doesnt pull a Thomas Hayden Church though haha. Good oscar movie(Sideways), dissapointing blockbuster(spider-man3)

 

[Ironfan72]

I suspect Crimson Dynamo will be a henchmen to Justin Hammer, using Roxxon Corp tech based off of Stark tech.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yes... I have always thought that Whiplash / Blacklash is a lame villain. A whip (no matter how hi-tech) v. IM is bogus. Crymson Dynamo ought to be Hammer's attempt to top IM (or he has the Russian inventor on the payroll)... that may seem like a rip off of the plot that Stane had, but the difference would be that Dynamo is more agile and less hulking than Ironmonger (setting up the possiblilties a some kick-ass ariel battles) and is piloted by a real pilot (a cold-war era Soviet badass), instead of the inventor himself (as with IM). So Tony would actually be outmatched at first because Dynamo is a superior fighter, but Stark still has a better mouse-trap and is better at using it...

Making Dynamo use whips would sorely disappoint me (unless they are just an add on to a more complete armor... used for close-quarters, melee scenarios... that would be OK).

They should just keep him as faithful as possible, lets see what a fully powered Iron Man can do against another armoured villain this time.

 

[DocHoliday]

AICN is saying that he is Crimson Dynamo. That is what their sources tell them at least.

 

[Ironfan72]

Now I know I'm not the most qualified person to say this, as I have never really been into the Iron Man comics (though I intend to GET into them), but making some changes to the comics as pertains to the villains doesn't really worry me, if it means a stronger story. Elements of Stane were changed in the first film, and it didn't spell disaster. So if they want to make Justin Hammer younger, or alter Crimson Dynamo/Whiplash/whoever in order for the part to fit MICKEY F'N ROURKE, then that's fine by me.

I think its ok to make changes to the characters, but not drastic changes, they made changes to both Rhodes and Stane in the first film. Rhodes never served in the Air Force, he was a Marine pilot, so that change was small, Stane on the other hand, owned his own company and was a business rival to Stark not a mentor, so while more drastic, it played well.
I think the same can be said for Hammer, if he needs to be 40 years younger than I believe as a Iron Man fan, I can handle that.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Do many of you really believe he would start off as Whiplash, than become CD? The two have very different personalities and motivations. I just don't see it. I just think Rourke is CD with some of WL arsenal.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Do many of you really believe he would start off as Whiplash, than become CD? The two have very different personalities and motivations. I just don't see it. I just think Rourke is CD with some of WL arsenal.

Its not about being two completely different characters but the concept of him having the whips and then upgrading to CD which is not unlike your last sentence.

 

[Venom'sDad]

OK... I see. That sorta make sense.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'd rather he be Dynamo or Whiplash if he's in it, one or the other, not a combination.

Also if Rourke is Whiplash, I hope he's the Gimp version. Who doesn't want to see Rourke in a gimp outfit?

 

[Figs]

Agreed. Especially considering there have been a handful of different Whiplashes and more than a dozen Crimson Dynamos in the comics.

Thank you!!

Do many of you really believe he would start off as Whiplash, than become CD? The two have very different personalities and motivations. I just don't see it. I just think Rourke is CD with some of WL arsenal.

I don't believe this as fact, just was saying I wouldn't mind if that's how they did it in the film.

Also, about your "the two have very different personalities"...read more of the comics or as ChewySpider pointed out there have been multiple Whiplashes and literally 10-12 different guys who have donned the CD armor.

So, 'fans' complaining that they weren't the same in the comics just annoys me because it's the usual fanboy attitude that nothing must be changed and if it is, it's impossible for it to be good or even better than the comics.

There were multiple Whiplashes' and once again 10-12(I think it was 11) people who donned the CD armor, so it's not like these characters were the same guy throughout the history of the comics. If they were then I could see why some would get mad. Then it would be like if they had not made Dr. Octopus Otto Octavius in Spider-man 2 and instead renamed him completely into this made for the movie character.

And as a side note, as before when I say make them the same character I don't mean give the CD armor the whips/tentacles. That I agree with, that it would be kind of lame.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Hey, Ace of Knaves, what is your avi a clip from? That is tripped out!

Natural Born Killers man.

So the hottest name of the award season goes up against the man who was born to play Tony Stark. This should prove interesting.

And we also have Tim Robbins and Don Cheadle on board. Favreau sure isn't pulling any punches. Lovin' it!

Tim Robbins? I didn't know he was gonna be in it. He is a brilliant actor.