Iron Man 2 The Official Whiplash Thread

[TheVileOne]

I don't see what the big deal is.

Also, a few years ago, Mickey Rourke wasn't a hot commodity. He was generally in some trashy B or direct to video movies. It was only when Rodriguez started using him again that he was getting some more prolific roles.

I'm not saying he's not a great performer or it wouldn't be great to see him in Iron Man. But Mickey Rourke is not a huge star or a big draw. Also, all we heard was that this was an offer. We don't really know about negotiating problems or Rourke being furious.

Also, The Wrestler isn't exactly making a ton of box office either.

 

[FrostBite]

I'm not talking specifically about you - just look at this thread. Look at some of the geek news sites. We don't know the circumstances surrounding this, or the SLJ negotiations, or the Howard negotiations. We don't know the conversations that took place or are taking place, we don't know how various people feel about the project, we don't know what more recent offers that have been out to Rourke amount to, we know nothing but a couple of sentences that are taken out of context from the articles they originated from - yet people act as though they KNOW Marvel is concerned about money above all and are willing to **** Rourke/Jackson over for it.

True enough, it just looks pretty bad to a lot of people when this news shows up one after the other in such a short period of time.

 

[SuperT]

I still think it's a ridiculous amount.

I could go on a reality show myself, and not even win, and still take home more money then that.

 

[Spidey 2007]

Rourke holds even less pull then Jeff Bridges.. the "VILLAIN" of the first! and Jeff Bridges didn't really put asses in the seats lol. so really you can look at it as Rourke taking that place, so it wont make any extra money if Rourke is attached or not.

 

[Spidey 2007]

I still think it's a ridiculous amount.

I could go on a reality show myself, and not even win, and still take home more money then that.

oh ya... you could...

would you give your extra money to Rourke?

 

[Saint]

Who cares who puts what in the seats? I'm concerned with the quality of the film. Rourke is a plus, in that regard, so pay for him.

 

[Balthus Dire]

For a film that's going to gross over $500 Million when all is said and done, it's a freakin slap in the face to offer one of the friggin main characters, a villain no less, $250 K. Even more of a slap in the face that it's Mickey Rourke they're trying to chinse.

 

[Sawyer]

I'm not going to make a huge deal about his salary, but it is quite low.... Couldnt they, at the very least, give him a half million?

 

[FaT_tONle]

At some point I am just going to stop caring... it's obvious to me that Marvel is content keeping the profits in their own pockets... rather than re-investing and putting out the highest quality product. If we are to get recasts every one or two films... or a lessor actor because they couldn't afford a "hotter" commodity... and if it becomes a regular pattern... eventually we'll get used to it and move on. Might take some time to get used to though... it is what it is.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117998829.html?categoryid=13&cs=1

Here's the relevant part:


Marvel better not **** this up

Wow, that's quite surprsiing. However, as others have said, Mickey Rourke will draw people in obviously. Especially after his success with The Wrestler and his other films.

 

[SurfDUI]

Or we could all take a vallium
Rourke has what's called an 'agent' it's an individual who on your behalf becomes the ahole that says my client-so and so want's more money...

Rourke is on the uptick-no agent is going to settle for some lowball from ANY studio tryin to undermine his rebound check. PLUS on the back end I'm sure he gets a swat from either the merch or DVD sales or HBO or whateverthehell else-

PLUS he's a physically large man, how many of those are runnin round hollywood takin up the roles...Mike Clark Duncan maybe.

 

[TheVileOne]

Fat Tonie, it's good to know you run Marvel's accounting department and know what they are doing with all their money.

 

[FaT_tONle]

You know what Vile... you are going to continue to give Marvel the benefit of the doubt no matter what the situation is. You will always have an excuse for them until the film underperforms (which ALREADY happened with TIH) or flops completely, but that's fine. I am simply not going to do that because by then, it will be too late. It's obvious they don't want to pay any of their supporting actors at this point. When you have four or five examples of this already... how that is not obvious to anyone is beyond me...

 

[TheVileOne]

What excuses have I made for The Incredible Hulk?

That defeates your flimsy and illegitimate argument against me right there Fat Tonie.

 

[FaT_tONle]

What excuses have I made for The Incredible Hulk?

That defeates your flimsy and illegitimate argument against me right there Fat Tonie.

I never SAID you did... it is one example that Marvel is capable of making a subpar film. Why are IM movies immune to such criticism before the next film is released? It's one thing being optimistic... but here you are making an excuse for every single issue that pops up. I find it just as annoying as people finding my rants annoying. Everyone knows the economy is ****... but when you are coming off one of the highest grossing summer's ever... when you are negotiating with a Golden Globe winner and a possible Oscar nominee... and you lowball the guy for that amount and expect no one to raise an eyebrow? Please... what Marvel did here is textbook lowballing...

 

[powerbomb1411]

I never SAID you did... it is one example that Marvel is capable of making a subpar film. Why are IM movies immune to such criticism before the next film is released? It's one thing being optimistic... but here you are making an excuse for every single issue that pops up. I find it just as annoying as people finding my rants annoying. Everyone knows the economy is ****... but when you are coming off one of the highest grossing summer's ever... when you are negotiating with a Golden Globe winner and a possible Oscar nominee... and you lowball the guy for that amount and expect no one to raise an eyebrow? Please... what Marvel did here is textbook lowballing...

No, what Marvel did was throw out an offer.

They are a very young studio. They can't afford to take major risks and lose large amounts of money. They have a bank loan if you forgot about that. They need to play it kind of safe if they want to stay a float. And they are a public company. Which means they answer to the share holders. And you know what? Marvel Entertainment is not fully run just by it's own movies, they get to deal with other studios Marvel Films, Comics, various merchandising etc.

it's really not that hard to understand and right now, we hardly know anything about what's really going on. We know, snippets of what is being reported, but that's it.

 

[SpiderWill]

Its also possible that he's not in the movie that much and only has a cameo or something and will appear more in later sequels.

 

[Spidey 2007]

You guys suck haha.

 

[Yellow Cyclone]

is this 250k for just rourke? or before the cuts?

agent gets a percentage, as does manager, publicist, lawyer, etc...?

 

[FaT_tONle]

No, what Marvel did was throw out an offer.

If 250K is not an exceedingly low offer... then I don't know what is...

They are a very young studio. They can't afford to take major risks and lose large amounts of money. They have a bank loan if you forgot about that. They need to play it kind of safe if they want to stay a float. And they are a public company. Which means they answer to the share holders. And you know what? Marvel Entertainment is not fully run just by it's own movies, they get to deal with other studios Marvel Films, Comics, various merchandising etc.

I have pointed out this very issue from the getgo of the SLJ debacle... this is the only reason why they are trying to get the budget down. I think I read it was 800 million (didn't click that link yet)... frankly I have no idea how whatever remains will cover their expenses for 2010 and 2011. But based on the box office return... Marvel should be able to cover that without breaking a sweat.

it's really not that hard to understand and right now, we hardly know anything about what's really going on. We know, snippets of what is being reported, but that's it.

That's true... but when its issue after issue... hell didn't that article say the stars of Twilight are making seven figures... there are TV actors who make more than that for a single episode. That number is just WAY too low for Rourke...

 

[OsGom]

If 250K is not an exceedingly low offer... then I don't know what is...

I have pointed out this very issue from the getgo of the SLJ debacle... this is the only reason why they are trying to get the budget down. I think I read it was 800 million (didn't click that link yet)... frankly I have no idea how whatever remains will cover their expenses for 2010 and 2011. But based on the box office return... Marvel should be able to cover that without breaking a sweat.

That's true... but when its issue after issue... hell didn't that article say the stars of Twilight are making seven figures... there are TV actors who make more than that for a single episode. That number is just WAY too low for Rourke...

When you are financing and managing your own films you can make that call. Until then you and all of these other posters are not qualified to judge Marvel on their business practices.

If fanboys had their way IM would have had an all wrestler cast, been directed by Quentin Tarantino and a cost billion dollars. RDJ would still be washed up ex-druggie and Heath Ledger would be that *** in that *** cowboy movie.

If Marvel's negotiating tactics offend you so much then feel free to boycott the movie and refrain from further comment.

I prefer to withhold my judgement until I see the finished product.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

When you are financing and managing your own films you can make that call. Until then you and all of these other posters are not qualified to judge Marvel on their business practices.

If fanboys had their way IM would have had an all wrestler cast, been directed by Quentin Tarantino and a cost billion dollars. RDJ would still be washed up ex-druggie and Heath Ledger would be that *** in that *** cowboy movie.

If Marvel's negotiating tactics offend you so much then feel free to boycott the movie and refrain from further comment.

I prefer to withhold my judgement until I see the finished product.

Thats the thing though, RDJ and Heath werent big names when they were signed, but I can damn well bet they got offered more than 250k, thats is a ridiculous offer for an established actor.

 

[marcvader]

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

 

[TheVileOne]

Robert Downey Jr. would still have been paid to be the star of a comic book superhero movie, which Rourke is not RUMORED to be doing.

 

[TheVileOne]

I never SAID you did... it is one example that Marvel is capable of making a subpar film. Why are IM movies immune to such criticism before the next film is released? It's one thing being optimistic... but here you are making an excuse for every single issue that pops up. I find it just as annoying as people finding my rants annoying. Everyone knows the economy is ****... but when you are coming off one of the highest grossing summer's ever... when you are negotiating with a Golden Globe winner and a possible Oscar nominee... and you lowball the guy for that amount and expect no one to raise an eyebrow? Please... what Marvel did here is textbook lowballing...

You said I would continue to excuse Marvel no matter what the situation is. Which isn't true. And TIH proves that. You probably ignored how I was critical that I felt the movie wasn't promoted enough also. Also, while I like the movie a lot and I think it was a big improvement over 2003, it still had some editing and story problems that could've been executed better IMHO.

Also, Variety also isn't accurate 100% of the time. I don't feel inclined to take that snippet as 100% accurate and truthful at face value.

As OsGom said we just know snippets. Posters here take things out of context all the time and go crazy with it.

Several years ago people said Kirsten Dunst should be fired as Mary Jane for getting pregnant because she would be too "fat and ugly" to play the role.