The official X-Manips thread

[xwolverine2]

wow were having paragraph disscussions on a manip thread..............

 

[ComicQueen]

Comic Queen, As two people who should be, i'd like this to stay civilized and stay away from this unnecessary drama. I'd appreciate if you'd stop calling me a fraud, it offends the entire core of what my life is based upon. I have worked hard to get where I am. I left my house to be on my own at 18, payed my way through art school, The Art Institute of Philadelphia to be exact. I came back to NY after a year and studied to finish my degree at School of Visual Arts. And began my job at the company I work for, getting payed for the honest work I do. Like a previous poster said, I do not get payed for this. And I never once claimed that I was a perfect Graphic Artist, but I know this is what I do and your comments cannot change that. I would never lie, or be misguiding to anyone on this board or anyone elsewehere. Why? Because I've worked too hard to be who I am and to get respect at age 21. I live alone, I work hard, and I get what I need on my own. End story. If anyone here doubts my credibility, I'd gladly send you my online portfolio, so you can review the work I do on a day to day basis for pay.

Why do you see my flaws ComicQueen? Maybe you're a hard judge. Maybe not. Maybe I dont do everything on here to a T, but It's what I do. Like it or not, this has to end. This bickering amongst everyone is getting to be redundant. I'd like to return to peace.

Perfectly understandable.

I try not to be a harsh judge on your work and only point out the obvious. I've given you strokes on your creativity whether you acknowledge that are not since you are stuck on visiting the negative. I placed those critiques in hopes that you watch for those issues the next time.

As for your bio, by your age that would be impossible. Absolutely impossible with the amount of schooling you've had but I won't discuss that any further.

I've given you tips and have demonstrated ways for you to improve it by showing examples. Yes, I might come across as extremely arrogant but that shouldn't be the case when your work should excel mine in everyway.

As I've mentioned before all the things I pointed out would have been corrected by a 2 to 3 second brush stroke or eraser. This isn't a matter of taste but a matter of technical blunders. GA's take pride in their work. I only expected more than superior work from you. I've seen your work on Ant's site and was always disappointed because I thought you would have implemented more creativity into it coming from your line of profession.

 

[Star]

As for your bio, by your age that would be impossible. Absolutely impossible with the amount of schooling you've had but I won't discuss that any further.

how would that be impossible?
i have a friend who's going into graphic design, and he was only at school for a year before he was 'qualified'. Same with my other friend who was going into computer animation....

Most (...some?) art schools are only a one-year program, or two....if he's 21 then that would fit the time frame....

 

[ComicQueen]

how would that be impossible?
i have a friend who's going into graphic design, and he was only at school for a year before he was 'qualified'. Same with my other friend who was going into computer animation....

Most (...some?) art schools are only a one-year program, or two....if he's 21 then that would fit the time frame....

Art Institute programs are 2 years for Associates then additional time from Visual Art Program from New York which is even longer. (I've check them both out a long time ago)

it's at least 4 years combined. He'd be 22 now but he claims to have been working in this profession for a long time. Go back through the posts.

None of the time frame adds up.

 

[Lazmarquez]

18 (graduated High School)...19 (College 1st year)...20 (College 2nd year).. 21 (Had to stop attending College for lack of money, Went on Interview, Obtained Job)... end of story. Please, Do not disrespect my life's endeavors.

 

[Downhere]

Art Institute programs are 2 years for Associates then additional time from Visual Art Program from New York which is even longer. (I've check them both out a long time ago)

it's at least 4 years combined. He'd be 22 now but he claims to have been working in this profession for a long time. Go back through the posts.

None of the time frame adds up.

Comic Queen is right about the time it takes to get a degree in anything art related. But the Art Institute offers a certificate program that takes about a year. But it really isn't worth it. It's better to at least get an associates degree with takes 2 years or a bachlor's which could take 3-4.

 

[ComicQueen]

18 (graduated High School)...19 (College 1st year)...20 (College 2nd year).. 21 (Had to stop attending College for lack of money, Went on Interview, Obtained Job)... end of story. Please, Do not disrespect my life's endeavors.

Now this really doesn't make any further sense.

I have worked hard to get where I am. I left my house to be on my own at 18, payed my way through art school, The Art Institute of Philadelphia to be exact. I came back to NY after a year and studied to finish my degree at School of Visual Arts.

Like I said. Impossible.

 

[Karategirlx2001]

heh heh and the point you are using it only proves how immature you really are. LOL!

Laugh In Yo' Face.

And this is the upstanding point of maturity?
*sigh*

You may want to critique the art, but keep in mind Laz is only doing this board art for the fans. This is not a paying job, and therefore technically doesn't hold the same standards and timeframes (though I understand your argument about how all GA art should be beyond great no matter what circumstance). Just cut the guy a little slack, please? He has never done anything to insult you, and while you may think your intentions to be good, the method in which you voice your opinions seems highly insulting and arrogant. Graphic Design is Laz's life. To call him a fraud, is like spitting in the face of all that he has done and accomplished in his lifetime. He has never insulted you in such a way, and does not deserve that sort of treatment in return. I, personally, love Laz's art and am highly appreciative that he takes the time out of his work schedule to do this for us. So please...back graciously down. If you are going to critique, then do it politely. You achieve nothing through blunt insults.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

And this is the upstanding point of maturity?
*sigh*

You may want to critique the art, but keep in mind Laz is only doing this board art for the fans. This is not a paying job, and therefore technically doesn't hold the same standards and timeframes (though I understand your argument about how all GA art should be beyond great no matter what circumstance). Just cut the guy a little slack, please? He has never done anything to insult you, and while you may think your intentions to be good, the method in which you voice your opinions seems highly insulting and arrogant. Graphic Design is Laz's life. To call him a fraud, is like spitting in the face of all that he has done and accomplished in his lifetime. He has never insulted you in such a way, and does not deserve that sort of treatment in return. I, personally, love Laz's art and am highly appreciative that he takes the time out of his work schedule to do this for us. So please...back graciously down. If you are going to critique, then do it politely. You achieve nothing through blunt insults.

HEY GIRL! WHERE YA BEEN!? Chat for a while!

 

[Karategirlx2001]

Hey! I've been lurking

 

[Lazmarquez]

I don't need to prove myself to anyone anymore, this whole ordeal today has exhausted me, and quite frankly, i dont really care what you may think ComicQueen. Like i said, I just want to revert to the way the board was and keep a flowing positivity amongst everyone. If you chose to disbelieve my life and what I do, that's fine. This is the internet, I am not expecting anything or anyone's support. I wouldn't lie about what I do for a living, it has no way of aiding me in anything I do on this board whatsoever. I'm not presenting a spoiler or a bit of news, I'm posting artwork. Nothing more, Nothing less. I was a designer before these boards, and at the end of the day nothing changes. If it bothers anyone, then I'm sorry. I feel no more need to argue a case that no one can substantially provide answer for anyway. If someone feels the need to really question my abilities, or my career, please contact me and I will set the record straight, but this board is no longer a place for this type of discussion and I know myself and others would appreciate a cease of it.

 

[Neto Magnus]

damn, what do you ppl have against ComicQueen? she's just trying to be helpful with some honest criticism. I mean, whenever I post something here, I would love it if someone told me the flaws in my work. Instead of just hearing, "that's cool " or "great manip" all the time. Cuz constructive criticism is what helps us get better.

 

[ComicQueen]

And this is the upstanding point of maturity?
*sigh*

You may want to critique the art, but keep in mind Laz is only doing this board art for the fans. This is not a paying job, and therefore technically doesn't hold the same standards and timeframes (though I understand your argument about how all GA art should be beyond great no matter what circumstance). Just cut the guy a little slack, please?

I have no problem holding back and I have done so in comparison to what I could have done. I haven't insulted him in any way. I've critiqued his work and have given him tips on how to improve and what to watch out for. If you've watched my posts in the past, I always have given tips on how impove and what to watch out for. I'm not doing this maliciously, contrary to what you want to believe.

GA's work hard for what they do. I don't want to insult any of them by posing as one although considering this group I could have pulled that really really easy.

He has never done anything to insult you, and while you may think your intentions to be good, the method in which you voice your opinions seems highly insulting and arrogant. Graphic Design is Laz's life. To call him a fraud, is like spitting in the face of all that he has done and accomplished in his lifetime. He has never insulted you in such a way, and does not deserve that sort of treatment in return. I, personally, love Laz's art and am highly appreciative that he takes the time out of his work schedule to do this for us. So please...back graciously down. If you are going to critique, then do it politely. You achieve nothing through blunt insults.

You're right! He hasn't towards me but he has towards many struggling truly professional GA's out there. I'd hate for anyone to take up my position and flaunt it around claiming they are in Post Production. It would be insulting to me and for the struggles I had to get where I am as a Woman in that line of work.

Calling him a fraud is validated. He has not demonstrated one bit of knowledge of his profession where most GA's use acronyms as many other passionate artist do. When discussing my profession I often go off into tangent about mastering and editing because it's what I know and what I'm passionate about. I've just grown tired of people that take on professional titles but obviously aren't so.

It's insulting to the industry and the artist and if you can't understand that then that's really upsetting. I see these people day in and day out with their portfolios trying to make it in this town. I'm just defending them is all.

You love Laz's work that's great wonderful!! Everyone should but the bottomline is I don't like being fooled into believing a lie.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Hey! I've been lurking

Well! I'm surprised you recognize me!

 

[Lazmarquez]

And this is the upstanding point of maturity?
*sigh*

You may want to critique the art, but keep in mind Laz is only doing this board art for the fans. This is not a paying job, and therefore technically doesn't hold the same standards and timeframes (though I understand your argument about how all GA art should be beyond great no matter what circumstance). Just cut the guy a little slack, please? He has never done anything to insult you, and while you may think your intentions to be good, the method in which you voice your opinions seems highly insulting and arrogant. Graphic Design is Laz's life. To call him a fraud, is like spitting in the face of all that he has done and accomplished in his lifetime. He has never insulted you in such a way, and does not deserve that sort of treatment in return. I, personally, love Laz's art and am highly appreciative that he takes the time out of his work schedule to do this for us. So please...back graciously down. If you are going to critique, then do it politely. You achieve nothing through blunt insults.

Thank you for the kind words, not sure if i've seen you around, but hi! seriously, thank you, it means a lot more than you'd think

 

[ComicQueen]

damn, what do you ppl have against ComicQueen? she's just trying to be helpful with some honest criticism. I mean, whenever I post something here, I would love it if someone told me the flaws in my work. Instead of just hearing, "that's cool " or "great manip" all the time. Cuz constructive criticism is what helps us get better.

Thank you! At least someone gets it.

I'm not on here to degrade anyone. I often use my artwork as examples of what I've done wrong in the past and how to remedy them. People think if you give them honest criticism that it's a bad thing but behind everyone's back they are mocking in silence which is even worse.

If I was truly doing this out of malice I wouldn't give tips or direction for how to correct the problems. I'm just trying to get people better at what they are doing. There hasn't been anyone on this board that has ever given a solid piece of criticism with knowledge of how to fix it.

My comments could have been "This looks like crap!" and be the end of it. I have been detailed in my criticism and have praised LAZ as well for some things. Anyone knows if you place anything on the internet you'd better be prepared for some feedback both positive and negative.

I think I've delivered the message correctly whether you agree or not.

 

[Karategirlx2001]

I was a very active poster a few years ago, but now I mostly lurk on the forums more than anything. And no need for thanks; I have enjoyed all your work, Laz.
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Comic Queen, I understand some of you points and reasoning, but do you have any concrete proof to back up your allegations, other than Laz's educational timeframe and GA knowledge? I have read your past posts, and while they do have some positive comments, they are grossly overshadowed by your negative ones. It may just be your way of cummunicating...I know emotions tend to get the better of us when something we are passionate about comes into light...Just keep in mind that what you say does affect others and that your word choice can, at times, hold too harsh a connotation. That is all...I am not trying to flame you or anything of that matter. I am simply trying to politely criticize your own criticisms, and inform you of their affects on readers. Nothing more.

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TOB are you on AIM? You still have the same name, right?

 

[craigaat]

Someone do a manip of Zorn

 

[The Original Bamfer]

TOB are you on AIM? You still have the same name, right?

Yup

 

[newwaveboy87]

i feel as if i should say something, cause i started this whole mess...well here it is, ComicQueen leave Laz alone. please - you may think you're being negative, harsh, or rather arrogant but it appears this way to numerous other people. and while you may not care about what others think of you, it'd be nice if these boards would go back to treating posters in a civilized manner. that would definitely be ideal.

even Laz has said you're critiques are bordering on too cruel. and when the artist has said you've gone too far, i do believe it's time to cut back. this thread wasn't meant to showcase the second coming of super-amazing-look-at-my-god-like-skills GA, but merely a pleasant area where we could look upon the manips. both good and bad. it was meant to be an all encompassing place for art. if you don't like it bite your tongue and move on. if there is something that you do like, tell them - and if you feel it is necessary for someone to make changes, do it as politely as possible.

this thread was made by the fans for the fans. these aren't meant to garner earnings or anything along those lines. it's just supposed to be a pleasant place.

let us return it to that. and please Laz - if there's a new manip, i'd love to see it. and personally, i believe you, thus far you haven't given me a lot of doubt. i am not one too judge your life or think that i know everything. people are different, and where they end up and how they got there change. i got your back buddy.

 

[GreatWhiteWhale]

I swear some people just love the sound of their own... typing?

(Sorry, way harsh, my bad)

ComicQueen, it isn't my place to post in a manip thread as I know nothing about graphic design, but I do know a little thing about behaviour.

I think the problem people are having with you is not your suggestions or experience it's the attitude. I'm sure the suggestions would be much more welcome if they were less authoritarian and more... friendly?

This might be condescending and naive but I would like to preserve some civility, I mean in my line of work I welcome suggestion and constructive criticism and often encourage it, in fact often times I demand it. If you're any type of a creative person you need constructive criticism for personal evaluation.

And while I take the criticism of those who stare down at me with indifferent eyes an dismissive attitudes, and I listen to the suggestions they make about elements of my work that are so 'obvious and jarring to them', I don't necessarily like them. I mean they make me better at what I do but I am comfortable in the fact that when I make a suggestion to someone about their work, I do it with a smile, and personal strength aside, I try not to make them feel less of a creative person for doing so.

 

[Downhere]

Yeah cause the clicking is music to their ears? lol.

 

[ComicQueen]

Comic Queen, I understand some of you points and reasoning, but do you have any concrete proof to back up your allegations, other than Laz's educational timeframe and GA knowledge?

What that isn't enough? In most communities just one would be evidence enough.

You may not want to acknowledge that and that's perfectly fine. I just don't believe it and I do find it insulting for the professional friends of mine that do this line of work. All of LAZ's twisting stories didn't help his case. I'm not here to place him on trial but I do want to prevent others from attempting to do such a thing on other boards.

This may not be a big deal to you but for me it's a very big deal because I find many Post Prod. wannabes trying to take claim for what I do. I only want to return the favor to those that do work in this industry.

I have read your past posts, and while they do have some positive comments, they are grossly overshadowed by your negative ones. It may just be your way of cummunicating...I know emotions tend to get the better of us when something we are passionate about comes into light...Just keep in mind that what you say does affect others and that your word choice can, at times, hold too harsh a connotation. That is all...I am not trying to flame you or anything of that matter. I am simply trying to politely criticize your own criticisms, and infrom you of their affects on readers. Nothing more.

Negative always outweighs the positive. What you look as negative I look as constructive. If I didn't care I wouldn't have responded with such care and direction. Like I said before I could have given the typical "Troll" response but I chose not to. I tried to remedy it as I would with anyone else. Visually speaking this work coming from a professional should look as such. Laz's work has been anything but subpar. That may sound cruel to you but if you've visited DevianARt or many other artistic communities you'd know where I'm coming from. There are people on there that are really talented GA's and GA's that have a degree and job in those industries. I've had some of them whip me up something within a matter of 10 minutes that looks brilliant.

Coming from an Amatuer background and practically very little knowledge, Laz should have been easy to defend his case. All he claims is a time limit that too has changed like his Degree and his knowledge of acronyms.

I don't mean to start a flame war but I will defend the GA's title from being passed around and raped like "Fresh Meat" in a maximum security prison.

 

[newwaveboy87]

I swear some people just love the sound of their own... typing?

(Sorry, way harsh, my bad)

haha.

 

[littyx]

it's at least 4 years combined. He'd be 22 now but he claims to have been working in this profession for a long time. Go back through the posts.

None of the time frame adds up.

It's official, we've got a detective on our hands folks!