Sequels The official X-MEN 4 talk thread

[Angamb]

There are so many threads in this board about sequels, X4, the future of the x-men, etc, etc. So I thought we need a specific thread for talking about X4, and avoid all this dispersion.

So post here all the news X4 related, your thoughts, expectations, etc.

 

[OllieQ]

I feel they need to center the next 3 movies on Cable and Apocolypse. This will be a huge movie and the battle between these two will be huge. Plus, you can tie in Cyclops some how. The movies were not literal tranalations of the comics, so they could make this work. In X3 no one confirmed Cyclops was dead. All they found was his glasses. In the books Cyclops went to the future to raise Cable. Have Cable return face a menace threatening the future...Apocolypse. You could also include Gambit in the mix as it seems a lot of people want to see this.
Any thoughts?

 

[Halcohol]

While I like the framework you've laid out there OllieQ, I just don't see X4 happening anytime within the next decade. Fox has made it pretty clear that they're not willing to give the X-Men franchise the time or creative freedom that it deserves, so I'm not holding out much hope.

Especially with the next Spider-Man trilogy already on the books, I think that priorities are such that X4 might be rushed into production once it seems that the superhero genre is on its way out and Fox needs to make a quick buck or two million.

 

[Canemacar]

Cable and Apocalypse are both bad ideas, no offense. Cable's back story is far too convoulted to translate well to the big screen, Cyclops is dead anyway(and a revival won't go over well since there have already been three), and Apocalypse is too much of a "comic book" villain to be taken seriously. Using them would be bad, but centering a trilogy on them would be disasterous.

What the films need to do is keep themselves relevent. They do this by making the discrimination theme their central tennant, not fan-service and sci-fi plots. Focus on how the world would react to a massively powerful mutant like Phoenix going berzerk as she did. Show people getting even more restless; show outed mutants becoming outcasts; show some hate-crimes being commited against mutants. And show those who are willing to use that to their own advantage.

With that in mind, I think Sinister and the Hellfire Club should be the main bad guys in the next film(s). Have Sinister be both a geneticist and a sociologist so that he can analyze the nature of discrimination for the audience and perhaps monologue a bit to point out how and why human react as they do. The Hellfire Club would make great enemies in this day and age due not only to people's general distrust of corporations, but also because they highlight a fact that is often overlooked in equality debates: the need for *economic* equality as well as civil equality.

I mentioned hate-crimes against mutants earlier and I think that would be a good way of reworking the Mutant Massacre. instead of it being done by Sinister for some enigmatic purpose, have it be done by a gang of humans a la KKK (perhaps have it arranged by Sinister as an experiment in sociology to fully establish him as a ruthless and sociopathic individual). I'd have Gambit involved in it as well and have the main theme of his character be the conflict between looking out for yourself and helping your own kind when they need you (sort of like the dichotomy between an Uncle Tom and the black abolitionists).

 

[X-Maniac]

Cable and Apocalypse are both bad ideas, no offense. Cable's back story is far too convoulted to translate well to the big screen, Cyclops is dead anyway(and a revival won't go over well since there have already been three), and Apocalypse is too much of a "comic book" villain to be taken seriously. Using them would be bad, but centering a trilogy on them would be disasterous.

What the films need to do is keep themselves relevent. They do this by making the discrimination theme their central tennant, not fan-service and sci-fi plots. Focus on how the world would react to a massively powerful mutant like Phoenix going berzerk as she did. Show people getting even more restless; show outed mutants becoming outcasts; show some hate-crimes being commited against mutants. And show those who are willing to use that to their own advantage.

With that in mind, I think Sinister and the Hellfire Club should be the main bad guys in the next film(s). Have Sinister be both a geneticist and a sociologist so that he can analyze the nature of discrimination for the audience and perhaps monologue a bit to point out how and why human react as they do. The Hellfire Club would make great enemies in this day and age due not only to people's general distrust of corporations, but also because they highlight a fact that is often overlooked in equality debates: the need for *economic* equality as well as civil equality.

I mentioned hate-crimes against mutants earlier and I think that would be a good way of reworking the Mutant Massacre. instead of it being done by Sinister for some enigmatic purpose, have it be done by a gang of humans a la KKK (perhaps have it arranged by Sinister as an experiment in sociology to fully establish him as a ruthless and sociopathic individual). I'd have Gambit involved in it as well and have the main theme of his character be the conflict between looking out for yourself and helping your own kind when they need you (sort of like the dichotomy between an Uncle Tom and the black abolitionists).

I like you! You talk sense!

 

[Angamb]

I didn't remember this thread exits, hehe.

What the films need to do is keep themselves relevent. They do this by making the discrimination theme their central tennant, not fan-service and sci-fi plots. Focus on how the world would react to a massively powerful mutant like Phoenix going berzerk as she did. Show people getting even more restless; show outed mutants becoming outcasts; show some hate-crimes being commited against mutants. And show those who are willing to use that to their own advantage.

I like the sound of this. I think the trilogy hasn't showed the discrimination at all, I'd love to see scenes in the cities, at night, or during the day, where some mutants (unknown or secondary roles) suffer any type of discrimination, some damage, humillation...

This kind of things would make the films better, more relevant, with a social issue (like in our actual society), and critics would rate the film higher, definitely.

 

[Hulkster]

Cyclops should be brought back and lead the team if there ever was an X4. He could be injured in the forest where Jean blasted him away(flashback) or captured by Sinister.

Sinister will be the main villain in this movie of course the Nasty Boys are his henchmen. A battle between Cyclops and Sinister would be amazing to see onscreen.

 

[SuperT]

Here's the idea that I had for an X4:

The public across America and the world are beginning to accept mutants for what they are, which angers Senator Trask. Trask has secretly been developing "Project Wideawake" but he can't get funding from the government for it. He goes to the Hellfire Club for support, not knowing that they are mutants, and they agree to fund his production of the sentinels.

It's revealed that Scott is alive, having been blasted back into the forest by Jean at Alkali Lake. His body was recovered by the Hellfire Club. He's being manipulated by telepath Emma Frost and has taken his place as the Black King of the HFC much to Shaw's chagrin.

Turmoil reaches a boiling point when the Sentinels are released and mutants are once again threatened. Using Scott, the HFC exploits the X-Men and the schools weaknesses. The X-Men must face Trask and his evil plan and the devious Hellfire Club, all while trying to save mutants across the globe and recover their fallen leader.

Returning Characters
Ororo Munro/Storm
Scott Summers/Cyclops
Logan/Wolverine
Hank McCoy/Beast
Bobby Drake/Iceman
Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat
Marie D'Acanto/Rogue
Warren Worthington/Angel
Peter Rasputin/Colossus
Senator Trask

New Characters

X-Men
Alex Summers/Havok
Xi'an Coy Manh/Karma
Theresa Cassidy/Siryn

Hellfire Club
Emma Frost
Sebastion Shaw
Jason Wyngarde/Mastermind
Selene Gallio
Remy LeBeau/Gambit

Cool Scenes I came up with
- Since every X-movie has opened with a cool opening (Rogue's in X1, Nightcrawler in X2, Jean's/Angel's in X3), the one I came up with would be a flashback to when the Summers family's plane crashed and the two Summers boys were thrown from the plane with the parachute

- A small group, probably consisting of one of the senior members of the X-Men, infiltrating the sentinel production factory w/ the younger members. Would be a very cool scene to show off how the younger X-Men have grown into adults and come into their powers

- Scene of Emma manipulating Scott by using her telepathy to make herself appear to be Jean. Would be a very emotional and yet evil scene to show off Emma's ruthlessness

- Showdown between Cyclops and Havok towards the finale of the movie. Since neither can hurt each other with their powers, it would just be an awesome drag out fight to the finish.

That' s all I could think of at this point. I think it would be a pretty decent movie, with a maybe a cool set up for maybe Sinister or Genosha for the fifth one.

 

[Cassandra581]

Here's the idea that I had for an X4:

The public across America and the world are beginning to accept mutants for what they are, which angers Senator Trask. Trask has secretly been developing "Project Wideawake" but he can't get funding from the government for it. He goes to the Hellfire Club for support, not knowing that they are mutants, and they agree to fund his production of the sentinels.

It's revealed that Scott is alive, having been blasted back into the forest by Jean at Alkali Lake. His body was recovered by the Hellfire Club. He's being manipulated by telepath Emma Frost and has taken his place as the Black King of the HFC much to Shaw's chagrin.

Turmoil reaches a boiling point when the Sentinels are released and mutants are once again threatened. Using the Scott, the HFC exploits the X-Men and that schools weaknesses. The X-Men must face overcome Trask and his evil plan and the devious Hellfire Club, all while trying to save mutants across the glode and recover their fallen leader.

Returning Characters
Ororo Munro/Storm
Scott Summers/Cyclops
Logan/Wolverine
Hank McCoy/Beast
Bobby Drake/Iceman
Kitty Pryde/Shadowcat
Marie D'Acanto/Rogue
Warren Worthington/Angel
Peter Rasputin/Colossus
Senator Trask

New Characters

X-Men
Alex Summers/Havok
Xi'an Coy Manh/Karma
Theresa Cassidy/Siryn

Hellfire Club
Emma Frost
Sebastion Shaw
Jason Wyngarde/Mastermind
Selene Gallio
Remy LeBeau/Gambit

Cool Scenes I came up with
- Since every X-movie has opened with a cool opening (Rogue's in X1, Nightcrawler in X2, Jean's/Angel's in X3), the one I came up with would be a flashback to when the Summers family's plane crashed and the two Summers boys were thrown from the plane with the parachute

- A small group, probably consisting of one of the senior members of the X-Men, infiltrating the sentinel production factory w/ the younger members. Would be a very cool scene to show off how the younger X-Men have grown into adults and come into their powers

- Scene of Emma manipulating Scott by using her telepathy to make herself appear to be Jean. Would be a very emotional and yet evil scene to show off Emma's ruthlessness

- Showdown between Cyclops and Havok towards the finale of the movie. Since neither can hurt each other with their powers, it would just be an awesome drag out fight to the finish.

That' s all I could think of at this point. I think it would be a pretty decent movie, with a maybe a cool set up for maybe Sinister or Genosha for the fifth one.

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Now this is a stoyline that I can get behind. I think bringing Cyclops back could totally work all the nay sayers be hanged. If they can bring Jean back and we saw her die, then they can bring back Cyclops whose death we did not witness.

 

[demitri_vampiro]

i'd like to see either an age of apocalypse trilogy or sinister/genosha/mutant massacre trilogy

 

[demitri_vampiro]

i would also like to see some mutant casualties as a result of discrimination. helpless mutants being beated to death...

 

[Silvershade]

I had read on wikipedia that supposedly some ideas were being thrown around on what the next X-trilogy would be about and the cure turning into the Legacy Virus was one. Another idea was that the cure was having secondary effects on mutants' abilities. I like both of those ideas actually. I think the next X-trilogy should focus on the fall-out of the cure with a "Days of Future's Past" theme.

Here's the set up: Mutant riots are breaking out nationwide over the ineffective cure. Some mutants powers have returned, while others have died from it. Out of all this chaos a new, dangerous mutant terrorist group has formed called the Order of M. The government, with no other choice, has initiated the Mutant Registration Act and Sentinel Program. Sentinels have been sent out worldwide to ensure order and the saftey the people.

The X-men are in the middle, between the government and the mutant population. They've also been targeted by the Order of M due to the dissappearance of their "savior" Magento. On top of all this, the Presdient has issued for the School to be closed and to cease all covert activites as the "X-men."

Underlying Subplot: The Sentinels are highly developed, robotic giant enforcers of the law. They're governed by a central computer codename "Master Mind." The location of this super computer is unknown, but it's heavily guarded. The computer is self-thinking and runs off of pre-programmed protocals. Unfortunately the computer is beginning to formulate it's own solution to the nation's problem, which is a huge problem for everyone.

7 years into the future, the world is a very different place. Humans live under mandatory curfew, mutants have been all but wiped out. The few that remained are experimented on and dissected. The world is ran by Master Mind and the Sentinels. Bishop and some familiar faces are the last of the opposition. They've recently heard of a supposed time machine that the Sentinels plan use to change history. Bishop and his team intend to use it to go back and stop the rise of the Sentinels.

The first movie of the trilogy would focus on the cure debacle, the introduction of the Sentinels and the Order of M. This movie would show the young X-men stepping up, Rogue gaining new abilites due to the side effects of the cure(flight from Magento, invulnerability from Wolverine, Strength from Colossus and minimum pyrokinetics from Pyro). The X-men being forced to close the school and trying to stop the assasination of the President by the Order of M. The last part of the film would be a small glimpse into the future where we meet Bishop and an older Wolvie, Storm, Kitty, Colossus and surprise character which would prove two supposedly dead X-men weren't dead.



X-men: Rise of the Sentinels
Cast: Storm (Headmistress/Leader)
Wolverine (co-leader/field leader)
Beast (liason between X-men and President)
Angel
Iceman
Shadowcat
Rogue
Colossus

Supporting Characters:
Moria Mctaggart
Professor X
Magneto
Callisto

New Characters:
Order of M (Acolytes from Comics)
Uniscione
Kleinstock Twins
Senyaka
Jarvis
Frenzy
Gambit

Bishop

Omega Sentinels (Male & Female)

 

[Angamb]

First pic of Kitty in X4!



are the students training or something? t:

How happy I'd be the day I see the first X4 pic.

 

[javphonic]

old stuff...

My opinion a what should be done for the next one...

X-Men: /X4
Synopsis
A new threat has dawned upon mutant kind. Due to Magneto's war, security is now the highest priority. A powerful politician has brought forth the mutant registration acts. The sentinels have become the main source of human protection fearing a repeat of Alcatraz, and another terrorist uprising by Magneto or some new mutant threat. Discrimination against mutants have reached a high, and mutants everywhere flood the sewers as a haven under the lead of Masque. Amongst his most trusted are Caliban, Gambit and a few others, who he sends out to track, save and recruit mutants into the Morlocks; but something has changed. The sentinels are now uncontrollable and mysteriously armed with the mutant registration acts. With their creator Dr. Bolivar Trask dead the X-Men lead by Storm must battle these mutant hunting robots.

I agree that it should deal more with real world issues as mentioned above, I feel that Sentinels is logically the next step after Magneto cast the human population in fear with his terrorist broadcasts, and the fear they must have garnered after witnessing him move one of the US's largest structures w/o breaking a sweat, and the Phoenix killing hundreds of solidier and demolished a small island. Poloticians will claim that next time it'll be a city or small town wrecked next time, and wage war, take 9/11 and the aftermath as prime examples. It'd make the film much more relatable.

I think the Morlocks should be seen as refugees who fear the war they know is now inevitable; and following this the war should come at the conclusion of a new trilogy.

Trilogy
X3-Due to Alcatraz humans retaliate with Sentinels out of fear, result in massacre of numerous mutants. H fire club introduced, strike deal with gov. to remain unlisted on the MRA's and other liberties
X4-Due to the massacre in previous film and sudden outbreak of the Legacy Virus (cure reacting negatively, Gov. tries to cover it up) Genticist Sinister is introduced as the mutant race is at a rapid decline. Apocalypse starts manipulating followers telepathically to ensure his revival.
X5-Apocalypse rises and wages final war to ensure the survival of the mutant race. (Darkest film)

 

[Angamb]

Your main plots for X4 are the same I had time ago: Sentinels and registration act.

I think is just a perfect continuation of X3, definetly. And at the same time, show the consecuenses of the cure being temporary (they could develop a bit more the cure concept this time).
The sequel would have a really social feel, knowing the world we are living on.

 

[mr. peasant]

Personally, I think a more interesting, and no less logical progression to X4 would be with the general public turning against the mutants whilst the government attempts to remain neutral on the issue. With the cure being widely available, there's bound to be a strong public pressure for all mutants to take the cure and be 'reintegrated' into human society. Naturally, not all mutants will agree with this. As a result, some regular humans would take matters into their own hands, attempting to forcibly turn all mutants back into humans and kill all others who don't. As for who these villains will be, I'd base them off the Purifiers.

By doing so, the movie would get to explore two interesting themes. The first is of course the obvious 'what is it that makes us human?' debate since the 'human' villains are behaving more beastly than the 'inhuman' mutants they are after. The second would be on cultural assimilation (with mutants being assimilated into the human population, losing their 'heritage').

 

[Angamb]

that sounds really interesting too.

I think they could use both ideas, no?

the humans againts mutants.... in fact, I think it's time to show this already.

The movies haven't showed it yet, and is a must.

Everyone from the movies talk about this big concept but they never showed it in the trilogy, how ironic, hehe.

 

[QWoods]

My Ideas -the cure has upgraded everyonez powerz -professor has found cyclops alive! and tells the x-men through moira -the x-men consist of storm,(beast or angel),iceman,rogue(who can fly and has superstrength),shadowcat,colossus,and maybe jubilee -cyclops is being held captive by mr.sinister and his maurdererz(gambit,mystique,and other important maurdererz) -his cell mate is emma frost -rouge and bobby officially split -gambit and rogue flirt and fight and mystipue iz also eyeing gambit -mystique has on tight leather and has her hair down and working with pistols -in the end gambit and emma joins the x-men and sinister escapes -after the credits madelyne pryor awakens in a lab to start the love triangle in X5 -Throughout the film magneto could find his kids

 

[turtlefocker]

For X-men 4...

I think it'd be best that if everyone who died in X3 stayed dead, including Cyclops and Xavier (ignore the after credits scene).

Everyone else needs to be brought back though (Storm, Rogue, Wolverine ect.) and they need to bring in Gambit and a new villain.

It should be found out that the cure isn't final and Magneto should die of old age before the events of the film.

Gambit should be the main focus (like Wolverine was for the last ones). Rogue should also be a big focus (give her 'official' powers like the ability to fly/super-strength).

The villain can cause the public to turn against the mutants while the government tries to protect them. This could lead into the "war" that was only talked about in X1-3.

Then X-men 5 would be a pure war movie and 'final chapter'.

 

[Mogwai]

apocalypse all the way.

 

[zenith16]

I have news on the New X-Men movie. so i am giving this news to you since I cannot post news here.

yeah well it looks like Mr. Josh Schwartz has been booted or simply replaced . and Marc Guggenheim's in .

video.

http://www.spacecast.com/wvx/2008/05/elis_stone.wvx

"I am a big fan of 'soft' Science Fiction- movies like Run Lola Run, Sliding Doors, and The Prestige. There have been a few attempts to translate soft sf into tv- Journeyman, Pushing Daisies, and New Amsterdam. You could even argue that Lost is a further example of the genre. Some have even suggested that The West Wing was an alternate world were a Democrat was elected instead of a Republican...

Last year a new show called Eli Stone debuted, and while it isn't obvious, I think it's a soft SF show. While the tv blurb made it sound as if it was another show about lawyers, I recognized the name of one of the creators- Marc Guggenheim. Marc wrote a Wolverine comic book illustrated by Howard Chaykin, and he's currently writing Young X-Men. Marc co-created Eli Stone, and is one of the writers and Executive Producers of the show.

Eli Stone is a lawyer, but he has an inoperable brain tumour, and he has strange visions (the most memorable of these include singer George Michael!), and we soon realize that Eli could be a modern day prophet.

Today ABC announced that despite low ratings Eli Stone will return for a second season!
I'm thrilled for Marc, and the season one cliffhanger left a lot on the table (as it were), I'm glad to see that the show was renewed.

I interviewed Marc a few weeks ago at the New York Comic Con, and I asked him about the very 'genre' feel of the show."

I just hope it's is a true x-men film and not to show case wolverine over shadowing again.

So we fans a can actually call it a x-Men film. with out half the fandom both comic and movie goers knowin and saying it's a wolverine film. it's kind put things in mess since doing that. Now that their actually going the right way with using comic book writers ala sin city(along side the director) lets hope they get this right.

Please let them get things right.

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Discussions in session.

 

[zenith16]

yeah sorry about that I was looking to put out news on this, and well had a hard time finding The young x-men thread. Any way you can delete this here. I found the right place. sorry again .

 

[Angamb]

there is a poll in this same board, please vote:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=302893

 

[zenith16]

there is a poll in this same board, please vote:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=302893

ok voted of cource I want them to do an X-men 4 they promissed since doing last stand they'd do more and the other characters would get spot light through this and their own spin offs.

examples
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060526/xmen_release_060526/20060526/


From eTalk Daily
http://www.ctv.ca/entertainment

seeing what was said in this Vid Linkan cudmore talks about X-Men the Last stand and the possibility of X-4.
http://mutanthigh.com/smf/index.php?topic=1577.0

I Believe they will use X 4 to correct what ever mistakes that were done in x3. there's nothing wrong with giving these people a second chance to make up to the fans. especially since they are so passionate about the movie franchise and want to make up to us fans. As long as they do what Can Cudmore said and they take their time making a story.

they better make it and do that.

 

[javphonic]

Your main plots for X4 are the same I had time ago: Sentinels and registration act.

I think is just a perfect continuation of X3, definetly. And at the same time, show the consecuenses of the cure being temporary (they could develop a bit more the cure concept this time).
The sequel would have a really social feel, knowing the world we are living on.

I agree, i think this route would make the best sense, right now, do you have your old stuff posted up here? I have some stuff up from either last year or the year b4, I kinda stopped writing for a long while though

i agree about the social feel aswell and again it's the best and most sensible way to go for me