Comics The one thing I don't get about the "Deal" is...

JQ feels axing the marriage (voilently and outright-no matter how silly it looks) will help bring in droves of new young fans and that single people will better associate with young hip dating Pete now. (although it will be hairy/debatable whether he is actually still married or not, or just can't remember it and/or is single in an alternate reality or whatever...)

:whatever:
 
By the way.....I assumed that the reason Mephisto "noticed" Peter's anguish is because he messed with those "Hands of Time" things when Doc Strange wasn't looking......Is that what we are all supposed to assume? :confused:
 
I guess the main reason I'm posting this in here is because I haven't heard anyone bring up this little problem. IF Peter or MJ make this deal and history is changed.....like it was suggested in this last issue doesn't that then technically put 616 Spidey into an alternate universe?

I've read Spider-Man Twinkie ads with more depth and passion then the crap their making us shell out almost $4 for!
Excellent point!

And yes, at that point, Spidey leaves the 616 and only the Watcher knows or cares about what happens to him.
 
Excellent point!

And yes, at that point, Spidey leaves the 616 and only the Watcher knows or cares about what happens to him.

Aloha,
In order for BND to happen, the 616 Universe no longer exists. But then, didn't that already happen with House of M?
Spidey rules
 
Donald, that's like telling me that my house burned down with my dog inside.
Aloha, man.
 
I guess the main reason I'm posting this in here is because I haven't heard anyone bring up this little problem. IF Peter or MJ make this deal and history is changed.....like it was suggested in this last issue doesn't that then technically put 616 Spidey into an alternate universe?

Not necessarily... if only the people that matter have forgotten certain elements of the past, then the 616 Universe (god, I hate calling it that) goes on... and it's been suggested that only Mary Jane will remember, but she will not be aloud to tell; thereby making it all the more "in continuity".

:huh: :huh: :huh:
 
No offense to you TMOB, but that just soooo makes no sense.

Say, Mephisto comes along and suddenly no one remembers WWII... it really happened but no one involved remembered.

Suddenly people have questions... "Where did this tatoo come from?" "How did I lose my legs?" These questions build. Websites are formed, people investigate... the truth comes out... then what?

Since Marvel continuity already DOES NOT EXIST how can no one even having an accurate momory of reality enhance continuity?

This is just BAD.
 
I love how you guys have already drawn your conclusions...and based them on NOTHING, I might add.
 
No offense to you TMOB, but that just soooo makes no sense.

Say, Mephisto comes along and suddenly no one remembers WWII... it really happened but no one involved remembered.

Suddenly people have questions... "Where did this tatoo come from?" "How did I lose my legs?" These questions build. Websites are formed, people investigate... the truth comes out... then what?

Since Marvel continuity already DOES NOT EXIST how can no one even having an accurate momory of reality enhance continuity?

This is just BAD.

No offense taken... :cwink:

I'm just trying to make sense of it myself, and I'll wait until part 4 to see where everything will lead up to.

Do I think it will make sense? Do I think it will be good?

Of course not.

But I'm still going to wait and see so if there are such questions about reboots and retcons, I'd like to know what they are before speculating.

Cheers...

:batty:
 
Blader: I love how you guys have already drawn your conclusions...and based them on NOTHING, I might add.

...i am glad you are able to ignore all the news tidbits that have leaked out over the past couple years and be so happy about this all...and able to ignore the threads here that contained the info where this is going. Ignored everything JQ has said. The BND write-ups/advertisements.
The JMS interviews. etc....

This is not going anywhere GOOD at all....and up to part 3 has NOT GONE ANYWHERE GOOD AT ALL. It is only getting lamer and more obvious how this is all a hack job.....FORCING THE CHARACTERS ALL TO POINT B.
None of the characters in this "story", if you're bold enough to call it that...are respected, nor written to make sense or based on anythingin continuity or "how they'd act". Even Mephisto, the villian, pops up outta the blue like an overly lame anti-marriage fairy, (with no imagination)instead of the powerful diabolical villian he is. All this is about, is to get to point B.....single hip PEte and single crime fighting barbie (...er, i mean MJ)...who clings to buses and >bam pow biffs!< evil doers in her new Las VEgas Green crimefighting uniform. All this so single little kids (and adults) can better relate to Spidey comics???

If marvel REALLY wanted people to relate to the comics better...they would have NOT implemented spider claws and magical totem poles.

The thing is, JQ HAS SAID that all these stories were leading up and PLANNED to lead up to this Maximum Marriage arc....which is kinda admitting they wrote crap on purpose because they are then making it look like the only hope it to press the magic RESET button.

ANd OMD is the foundation of better story telling to come? If One More Delay is the foundation for Brand New Delay, having the foundation be forced cheese is NOT a good sign.

The fans here have talked about stuff that has come out of sources and interviews at marvel and JQ....as well as thwe THREE issues that HAVE come out so far...and most of the fans are thus ticked off for GOOD reason.

Spidey is my favorite character i've grown up with, so it is insulting when they slap us fans int he face with such forced garbage with no sense to it, except to further an agenda. Which is what this IS...CLEARLY.

Heck...JMS doesn't even want his name associated with it...!!!!

If you think, or anyone, that it is great storytelling and you're enjoying it...well that is fine too, i suppose. I am glad Marvel is finding some sort of audience for this kind of "story".

It has been clear for those that don't like it, on this thread and others, WHY they don't like it. (with examples and etc...) but for those that support this "story", I would like to know WHY they LIKE IT...what makes it GOOD in your/their eyes????

What have YOU come to the conclusion to on this OMD so far and based it on? Respectfully, I'd really like to know why someone would/does like this "story". Even if you are gung-ho for no marriage in comics, i think most people can admit the way they are doing it here is CHEESY and LAME,...imo.

I can admit, i am FOR the marriage, and there are other more dramatic, WELL-WRITTEN, thought out ways...they COULD have done it. I can admit i wouldn't have been happy still about the marriage break-up specifically, but would've been able to at least admit that a well written story was still well done.

Again, what DOESN'T make OMD one of the lamest cheesiest stories you've ever read??

Aunt may was shot with a BULLET....there are eons of people who have healed things or fixed things ten million times more serious or weird...??

Pete and MJ both are CURRENTLY going thru the horrible consequences of listening to (a HERO-IRON MAN) and doing what he said (unmasking to the world).....so why would they listen to the DEVIL (not a hero and more OBVIOUS in the situation here of what he wants)...?

And why would someone so powerful settle on trading MARRIAGE of ALL THINGS he could...in return for making an old lady live a little longer?? He could ask for PEte's power, for ONE example...which would lower the number of supereroes and actually benefit evil's cause!!

I mean, there are tons of lame questions here, but the answer to them all, is because everything is this "story" is to GET TO POINT B....no marriage.

that's all that matters here in this arc.
 
"A major Demon breaks up a marriage in order to satisfy an obtuse editor-in-chief" is not a "story" I want to read.
 
Why does Mephisto care about the marriage or Aunt May?
 
...i am glad you are able to ignore all the news tidbits that have leaked out over the past couple years and be so happy about this all...and able to ignore the threads here that contained the info where this is going. Ignored everything JQ has said. The BND write-ups/advertisements.
The JMS interviews. etc....

This is not going anywhere GOOD at all....and up to part 3 has NOT GONE ANYWHERE GOOD AT ALL. It is only getting lamer and more obvious how this is all a hack job.....FORCING THE CHARACTERS ALL TO POINT B.
None of the characters in this "story", if you're bold enough to call it that...are respected, nor written to make sense or based on anythingin continuity or "how they'd act". Even Mephisto, the villian, pops up outta the blue like an overly lame anti-marriage fairy, (with no imagination)instead of the powerful diabolical villian he is. All this is about, is to get to point B.....single hip PEte and single crime fighting barbie (...er, i mean MJ)...who clings to buses and >bam pow biffs!< evil doers in her new Las VEgas Green crimefighting uniform. All this so single little kids (and adults) can better relate to Spidey comics???

If marvel REALLY wanted people to relate to the comics better...they would have NOT implemented spider claws and magical totem poles.

The thing is, JQ HAS SAID that all these stories were leading up and PLANNED to lead up to this Maximum Marriage arc....which is kinda admitting they wrote crap on purpose because they are then making it look like the only hope it to press the magic RESET button.

ANd OMD is the foundation of better story telling to come? If One More Delay is the foundation for Brand New Delay, having the foundation be forced cheese is NOT a good sign.

The fans here have talked about stuff that has come out of sources and interviews at marvel and JQ....as well as thwe THREE issues that HAVE come out so far...and most of the fans are thus ticked off for GOOD reason.

Spidey is my favorite character i've grown up with, so it is insulting when they slap us fans int he face with such forced garbage with no sense to it, except to further an agenda. Which is what this IS...CLEARLY.

Heck...JMS doesn't even want his name associated with it...!!!!

If you think, or anyone, that it is great storytelling and you're enjoying it...well that is fine too, i suppose. I am glad Marvel is finding some sort of audience for this kind of "story".

It has been clear for those that don't like it, on this thread and others, WHY they don't like it. (with examples and etc...) but for those that support this "story", I would like to know WHY they LIKE IT...what makes it GOOD in your/their eyes????

What have YOU come to the conclusion to on this OMD so far and based it on? Respectfully, I'd really like to know why someone would/does like this "story". Even if you are gung-ho for no marriage in comics, i think most people can admit the way they are doing it here is CHEESY and LAME,...imo.

I can admit, i am FOR the marriage, and there are other more dramatic, WELL-WRITTEN, thought out ways...they COULD have done it. I can admit i wouldn't have been happy still about the marriage break-up specifically, but would've been able to at least admit that a well written story was still well done.

Again, what DOESN'T make OMD one of the lamest cheesiest stories you've ever read??

Aunt may was shot with a BULLET....there are eons of people who have healed things or fixed things ten million times more serious or weird...??

Pete and MJ both are CURRENTLY going thru the horrible consequences of listening to (a HERO-IRON MAN) and doing what he said (unmasking to the world).....so why would they listen to the DEVIL (not a hero and more OBVIOUS in the situation here of what he wants)...?

And why would someone so powerful settle on trading MARRIAGE of ALL THINGS he could...in return for making an old lady live a little longer?? He could ask for PEte's power, for ONE example...which would lower the number of supereroes and actually benefit evil's cause!!

I mean, there are tons of lame questions here, but the answer to them all, is because everything is this "story" is to GET TO POINT B....no marriage.

that's all that matters here in this arc.

Joey Q must GO. Nothing else will satisfy the masses...

And isn't it wild how every storyline WILL CHANGE THE LIFE OF PETER FOREVER, AND THINGS WILL NEVER BE THE SAME? I've never heard of so many 'permanent' changes that turn around every other month. :whatever:
 
Spidey is my favorite character i've grown up with, so it is insulting when they slap us fans int he face with such forced garbage with no sense to it, except to further an agenda. Which is what this IS...CLEARLY..

The marriage in the beginning was also an agenda, I guess things have come full circle


Again, what DOESN'T make OMD one of the lamest cheesiest stories you've ever read??

The fact that all the "Scarlett Spider" issues have taken first prize in that category.
Even though I agree it could be written to be a bit more interesting, In all honesty,I don't think people are really being fair to the story. They want to hate it because of where it's heading. The same goes for the artwork, it's beautifully done and people are coming up with ridiculous comments of how Spidey's anatomy doesn't look right (because this is the first time in the history of comics that anatomy has been exaggerated:whatever: ), or Mary Jane's hair doesn't look good (even though it looks the way it should)
It's a good story, maybe just not a good Spider-man story
 
No, it isn't a good story because the characters are behaving irrationally. The way Peter Parker and Mary Jane have been developed they would not do this, nor would Peter spend a week jetsetting around the world to beg for Dr. Doom's help for that matter. It is bad writing that only exists to serve a plot point that Q has wanted to make for years, but the characters are acting irrationalyly simply to reach that plot point. It is unnatural and contrived and you can feel it seething through the writing. Even the cause of it by Metiphsismo;adsfjk;diasfasd;f guy is moot because it makes no sense. Why not ask for his soul or botoh their souls and steal two good people's...one being a superhero's most precious essence and what the villain is supposed to be after?

It makes no sense. It is bad writing. And I personally think giving Peter Parker a Jay Leno chin is bad draawing, too.
 
None of this will matter in the long run. I'm sure that when spider-man sales begin to dwindle Marvel will reinstate the marriage. This whole mess will probably turn out to be nothing more than the result of a feverish dream.
 
No, it isn't a good story because the characters are behaving irrationally.
Most people do when trying to save a loved one.
It is unnatural and contrived and you can feel it seething through the writing.
Much like the issues leading up to, and when they got married.

Metiphsismo;adsfjk;diasfasd;f

Is there a map that goes with that?

And I personally think giving Peter Parker a Jay Leno chin is bad draawing, too.

Not liking a style and bad art are 2 different things, and I think you're exaggerating. :cwink:
 
He doesn't, he just cares about torturing people.

Then why doesn't he just leave Peter alone and let Aunt May die?

Oh wait... the people you referred to are the fans aren't they?
 
Then why doesn't he just leave Peter alone and let Aunt May die?

Oh wait... the people you referred to are the fans aren't they?

Even if May dies, Peter will bounce back. It may screw him up for a long time, but as long as he has MJ as his rock, he'll recover. What Mephisto is doing is taking away what Peter has always been able to fall back on. I guess it's a more long-term plan for making Pete miserable.
 
None of this will matter in the long run. I'm sure that when spider-man sales begin to dwindle Marvel will reinstate the marriage. This whole mess will probably turn out to be nothing more than the result of a feverish dream.

Ya know, and I am a fan of Mary Jane AND the marriage, but people have always bought the book because Spider-Man was in it, and not necessarily because of Mary Jane, so while I'm sure that many people will "boycott" the book because something happened in it that they dislike, some people will continue to purchase the adventures of Spider-Man, and quite possibly, due to the hype, new readers may jump on board.

I guess we'll have to wait and see...

:huh: :huh: :huh:

:csad:
 
Yeah, I don't buy it that people will stop buying the book either. I don't know how many times I've heard someone say....if they don't do______I'm never buying this book again.....and yet somehow the Spidey books still make a ton of money. :whatever:

It just seems like an empty threat and I'm sure by now Joe Q and the rest of these publishers know that as well.....

To be honest I could really care less either way about the marriage. It's the way their going about ending it that just makes no sense. It also shows that Joe Q is a coward. If he really wanted to do something that would grab peoples attention and stay true to the "everyman" quality the Spidey character posesses then he would simply have them get a divorce. It's simple. It's realistic and it makes sense. This should have been done years ago to. I mean MJ's been put threw the ringer. The loss of the baby should have ended it right there. A self containted issue where they both just sit down and talk about it and both agree. It doesn't mean they both still don't love each other and it doesn't mean she has to leave the books....

The way their doing it now makes as much sense as using a wet noodle to disarm a bomb!

And about the whole issue of no one remembering the "marriage" once the deal is made. If that's the only effect then how does MJ end up a superhero / villain? Is that a bonus part of the deal? All of a sudden Mephisto is now Monty Hall and he's offering double prizes??

If they aren't messing with the timeline when this is all said and done then why were they dropping these huge hints when Mephisto was explaining to Peter how one little tiny thing can change the flow of time?

This story isn't just about a memory wipe. Their messing with the history of the character and I'm willing to bet were going to see the mechanical webshooters back in Brand New Day as well.
 
Geeze just reboot the damn universe already(oh right thats basically what ultimate is).

X-men is the only group benefiting from any of marvels recent changes.
 
What bothers me about ending the marriage, is that after a while single Peter will be the same as married Peter. Spider-man's marital status should have almost nothing to do with his life as a hero. After a few months of Peter dating different women, that aspect of his life will begin to get stale. Then where do you take his character? The thing I enjoy most about Spider-man is the growth of the character. And now it seems like Joe Q wants to keep him frozen in time. This new direction just feels like 21 years of storytelling is being flushed down the toilet, like we're being taken back to 1987.
 

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