The Paris Hilton Fiasco Threads Merged

I'm not saying the judge didn't have the option to give her a longer sentence to begin with, but had he given her extra time because of her being released, she easily could appeal that and win, because the constitution says the punishment is to fit the crime.

In addition if were talking about circumstances of the crime? She accepted a plea bargain, and she was barely at the legal limit.

And I doubt you worked in L.A.
What are you talking about? She VIOLATED HER PAROLE TWICE!!!!

That changes the game for her period.

She would Appeal and be denied the appeal for the simple reason there are no grounds for an appeal. She had no right to be released and her accepting a plea bargain has nothing to do with, as Jag has said time and time again, COMMUTING OF SENTENCING.

This means, while she was on Parole, serving one sentence, it was -upgraded- due to her violations. There are no two ways about it. There are loop holes in the system but you're searching for one in the wrong place man.
 
I'm not saying the judge didn't have the option to give her a longer sentence to begin with, but had he given her extra time because of her being released, she easily could appeal that and win, because the constitution says the punishment is to fit the crime.

He didn't give her any extra time. He simply ruled that she had to serve her entire sentence instead of the commuted sentence. And he's entirely in his legal bounds to do that. Don't be daft.

In addition if were talking about circumstances of the crime? She accepted a plea bargain, and she was barely at the legal limit.

She was over the legal limit. That's all that matters. A DWI is a DWI. And violating your parole multiple times is grounds for being put in jail. Period.

And I doubt you worked in L.A.

I never said I did. BUT....why does that matter? The basics of the legal boundaries of a judge, as well as the Sheriff, are pretty much the same in every state. And, you still avoid my point that there is no standard, one size fits all sentence for any given crime. Period. The state or county is irrelevant. The courts have minimum and maximum sentence GUIDELINES that sometimes have variances by state, but the judge (or jury, depending on the sentencing structure) still has jurisdiction and final say. So I'm not sure what you think you're arguing, here. There is nothing fishy with the way this case has been handled by the courts. Period. There's a lot that's fishy with the way the Sheriff carried out the sentence, though, and it will be interesting what sort of dirt gets dug up on his accepting "gifts" in the past.

jag
 
Off Topic: Funny. As many times as they seriously try to ban every name i make. I wonder how many other people here have been banned once and never been bothered again? I swear. Someone has a hard on for my disappearance lol.

Back on topic.


Paris is lucky. Really.
 
He didn't give her any extra time. He simply ruled that she had to serve her entire sentence instead of the commuted sentence. And he's entirely in his legal bounds to do that. Don't be daft.

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jag
I don't know why he (Spider-Bite) keeps insisting that she was given EXTRA TIME. *sad sigh*
 
I don't know why he keeps insisting that she was given EXTRA TIME. *sad sigh*
Thats why i keep saying she's lucky. He had every right to up her sentence but he was "Compassionate" and just said she had to serve her original 45.
 
Off Topic: Funny. As many times as they seriously try to ban every name i make. I wonder how many other people here have been banned once and never been bothered again? I swear. Someone has a hard on for my disappearance lol.

Back on topic.


Paris is lucky. Really.

Question: If you're very banned or kinda banned, aren't just as banned?

(this time it is acceptable to answer 'No' :cmad: )

:woot:
 
So wait, she now has to do the 45 days, as oppse to the 23 days sentence?
 
Thats why i keep saying she's lucky. He had every right to up her sentence but he was "Compassionate" and just said she had to serve her original 45.
She may be lucky, but she's neither smart nor responsible.
 
He didn't give her any extra time. He simply ruled that she had to serve her entire sentence instead of the commuted sentence. And he's entirely in his legal bounds to do that. Don't be daft.
You said he could have extended her sentence, because of the sheriff releasing her, and I said it would be unconstitutional. I didn't say the judge did it. I'm not being daft. Your changing what was said.

She was over the legal limit. That's all that matters. A DWI is a DWI.

wtf? your backtracking now. You said that no one size sentence or punishement fits for any given crime. There is a reason judges are have so much room for sentencing, and it's because the circumstances are different each time, for even the same crime.
You brought up the circumstances, and now you say circumstances are irrelevant?

And violating your parole multiple times is grounds for being put in jail. Period.
I never denied that.

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I never said I did. BUT....why does that matter? The basics of the legal boundaries of a judge, as well as the Sheriff, are pretty much the same in every state.

the law varies from one state to the next.


And, you still avoid my point that there is no standard, one size fits all sentence for any given crime.
You stated the opposite. See above.


oh well. she is getting a sentence that is several times harsher than what it would have been if she was some nobody we never heard of. The fact that people had the legal authority to do it, doesn't change that fact, and it doesn't make it right.
 
Spider-Bite, links please or stop w/ the BS.
 
Spider-Bite, links please or stop w/ the BS.

Badger. links, please or stop w/the BS. I can't give you a link to what I saw on the news last night. It was a television. You want links to what was said previously in the debate here? Look on the last few previous pages.

You think I'm lying? Start watching the news. I'm sure it will get covered.
 
I watch CNN and nothing of what you've said has been covered =/
 
... she is getting a sentence that is several times harsher than what it would have been if she was some nobody we never heard of...
Link to that claim please? Thank you.
What is the standard sentence for the same type of violations she committed where she's at? And proof that she is getting it "several times harsher" because of who she is? Is that fact or an assumption? You know... like the assumption that she was reassigned because the sheriff could be corrupt or doing her family a 'favor'?
 
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You said he could have extended her sentence, because of the sheriff releasing her, and I said it would be unconstitutional. I didn't say the judge did it. I'm not being daft. Your changing what was said.

Actually, I wasn't the one that said he could have extended her sentence. But, guess what? He could have. Technically she was in violation of her parole when she left the jail, regardless of whether the Sheriff released her or not. It's not unconstitutional for the judge to amend her sentence and add time to it as a result if he wanted to (though it would probably get thrown out on appeal, more than likely). But he didn't do that. He just reinstated the full term of her original sentence, taking away the commuting of days.

wtf? your backtracking now. You said that no one size sentence or punishement fits for any given crime. There is a reason judges are have so much room for sentencing, and it's because the circumstances are different each time, for even the same crime.
You brought up the circumstances, and now you say circumstances are irrelevant?

What the hell are you even talking about, here? :huh: There's not a sliding scale for HOW drunk you are when you get a DWI. If you get a DWI, you get a DWI. Yes, they'll note in your record your blood alcohol level at the time of arrest, but it doesn't make it any lesser of a charge. You're the one who keeps arguing that the judge gave her way more time on her sentence than he should have, citing that other people have done the same thing as Paris and not gotten as much time. It's simply been pointed out (times infinity) that the judge has discretion here, and is regulated only by the minimum and maximum sentence guidelines. I'm saying the same thing I've always been saying, here. Perhaps you're just now beginning to understand my point.

the law varies from one state to the next.

The decision on sentencing and what amount of time an inmate will serve lies with the courts. Not the law enforcement agencies. Courts decide on how the laws will be upheld and enforced. The police and Sheriff's departments enforce the laws as ordered by the courts. It's the same in every state in that regard.

You stated the opposite. See above.

Now you are being daft. I did not state there is a one size fits all punishment for any given crime. I said there are minimum and maximum guidelines that the judge has full discretion to sentence within. It could range from a completely commuted sentence with no time served to a maximum time served with no chance of early release. There is a difference between the two. Don't be dense.

oh well. she is getting a sentence that is several times harsher than what it would have been if she was some nobody we never heard of. The fact that people had the legal authority to do it, doesn't change that fact, and it doesn't make it right.

Are you serious? I even gave you an example of someone who got an even harsher sentence than her for a lesser crime, and he's a nobody as far as the general public is concerned. I think you're going out of your way to try and find some sort of special mistreatment by the legal system of Paris that's just not there. She committed a crime, violated her parole TWICE and showed outward contempt for the judge over and over again. She's lucky she didn't get more time than she has.

jag
 
You guys realize you're fighting over Paris Hilton, right?
 
oh well. she is getting a sentence that is several times harsher than what it would have been if she was some nobody we never heard of. The fact that people had the legal authority to do it, doesn't change that fact, and it doesn't make it right.

I doubt some no body would've gotten released from jail because of some mysterious "medical condition" and sent home to her big mansion for 45 days where she could continue to get drunk either.

You keep saying this is too harsh. I don't think it's harsh at all. It's exactly what she deserves.

You need to quit treating her like a victim, because she isn't a victim. No one forced her to drive with a suspended license and violate her probation. She choose to do that like the adult she is.

Unfortunately for her, she found out that actions have consequences.
 

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