The Paris Hilton Fiasco Threads Merged

[logansoldcigar]

ok. come back to me when you grow up.

 

[Calvin]

Right, let me say one thing: i couldnt care less about Paris Hilton.
I wouldnt normally bother with a thread about her.

But I have to ask this:

I thought the US had some constituional thing about cruel and unusual punishment. Cos I cant think of much that is a more Cruel punishment then sending someone inside, letting them go out tagged and then a couple of days later saying "sorry, although you turned up to jail as you should, behaved for the admittedly pathetic amount of time you were in chokey, and havent broken the terms of your tagged period, we have to send you back cos the judge has thrown his toys out of the pram"


and i do find myself asking that if it wasnt Paris Hilton (about whom there seems to be a developing cult of hatred), would the Judge have done his pieces?

Taking her out and putting her back in again weren't terms of her sentence. It was an unfortunate side effect of people miscommunicating and/or stepping out of line. So, cruel and unusual punishment is a silly silly argument here.

Also, anyone else find it odd, actually suspicious, that, (if what I've read is true) the sheriff last year received the maximum allowable contribution from Mr. Hilton for his campaign.

 

[logansoldcigar]

Thanks for an adult answer. see, i dont claim to understand the intricacies of US law.

Still think its wrong to put someone out and then send them back though. especially as i doubt it would have happened in 99% of cases.

and absolutely: It would be highly disturbing if what you read about campaign contributions is true.

 

[Calvin]

Thanks for an adult answer. see, i dont claim to understand the intricacies of US law.

Still think its wrong to put someone out and then send them back though. especially as i doubt it would have happened in 99% of cases.

and absolutely: It would be highly disturbing if what you read about campaign contributions is true.

What wouldn't have happened in 99 percent of the cases is her getting out for apparently no good reason at all. I wouldn't be surprised if money were exchanged between her/her family and the sheriff.

 

[Badger]

ok. come back to me when you grow up.

Joke. I'm just a little tired of this whole discussion. Just trying to have some fun. Sorry, If I offended.

 

[DBella]

Taking her out and putting her back in again weren't terms of her sentence. It was an unfortunate side effect of people miscommunicating and/or stepping out of life. So, cruel and unusual punishment is a silly silly argument here.

Also, anyone else find it odd, actually suspicious, that, (if what I've read is true) the sheriff last year received the maximum allowable contribution from Mr. Hilton for his campaign.

You don't get it, Calvin... making an heiress cry and sending her to jail for driving on a suspended license, after being caught driving under the influence, can be considered 'cruel and unusual' punishment. She's not one of us. She's special.

If that is true... it's very fishy indeed. Funny thing is, even though this is the first time I've heard of it, it did cross my mind when I first heard that the sheriff had 'reassigned' her to house arrest.

 

[Spider-Bite]

I merely wish that when she got there, she served a week straight, and then the sheriff could have released her and attributed it to overcrowding.

 

[cookiva]

Sorry to sound cruel, but where is the nelson smiley along with trademark laugh on this site?

 

[Calvin]

You don't get it, Calvin... making an heiress cry and sending her to jail for driving on a suspended license, after being caught driving under the influence, can be considered 'cruel and unusual' punishment. She's not one of us. She's special.

If that is true... it's very fishy indeed. Funny thing is, even though this is the first time I've heard of it, it did cross my mind when I first heard that the sheriff had 'reassigned' her to house arrest.

Tell me about it. Especially since his reason was such BS. She's depressed? NO S**T, it's prison. Plus, if there really were a legitimate health hazard, there's an official and standard way to go about addressing it, and the sheriff decided to flat out skip that for no reason. Fishy.

 

[Halcohol]

I just think it's hilarious how when she was given the order to spend the remainder of her 45 days in prison, she flat out screamed, and her parents cried, and she prayed...

It's a month and a half, not 10 years. Give me a break.

 

[Calvin]

I just think it's hilarious how when she was given the order to spend the remainder of her 45 days in prison, she flat out screamed, and her parents cried, and she prayed...

It's a month and a half, not 10 years. Give me a break.

Exactly. And most prisoners don't have billions of dollars waiting for them when they get out.

 

[jaguarr]

Thanks for an adult answer. see, i dont claim to understand the intricacies of US law.

Still think its wrong to put someone out and then send them back though. especially as i doubt it would have happened in 99% of cases.

and absolutely: It would be highly disturbing if what you read about campaign contributions is true.

The thing is, she wasn't ever supposed to be released on house arrest. The judge specifically forbid it in his initial ruling. The Sheriff disobeyed the order by letting her out on house arrest (and Hilton's attorneys should have caught that and told her it was a bad idea).

jag

 

[jaguarr]

what was his prior criminal record? How far over the legal limit was he? And it varies from state to state. I can't say for sure if a week is normal in every state, or just her district, but I know that i nher district at least, the norm is a week.

As for the rest of your post, I think your just assuming facts, without knowing them to be true, and then using them to back up your argument. I watch the news a lot, and I watched the coverage on this. I heard several people who work in the courts say her sentence was way harsher than any other case they ever heard of, where the same crime had been committed.

I heard zeroe say the opposite.

Well, forgive me for going off of my own experience from actually working in the courts and legal field as opposed to what you heard on TV.

jag

 

[AndrewGilkison]

So what is the maxim amount of time an LA Judge is allowed to sentence someone to jail for what Paris did?

 

[Calvin]

So what is the maxim amount of time an LA Judge is allowed to sentence someone to jail for what Paris did?

I think I heard 90 days, but it could have been more.

 

[DBella]

I think somebody here is getting paid by the Hiltons. Or maybe the perks of getting free lodging at any Hilton hotels worldwide.

 

[Spider-Bite]

Well, forgive me for going off of my own experience from actually working in the courts and legal field as opposed to what you heard on TV.

jag

You know these guys are also going off of their experiences dealing with judges, defendants, lawyers, and prosecutors. Not to mention, the sentencing might be differnet in your district than it is in hers.

what exactly did you do in the courts anyways? didn't you say you worked in the jail? there is a big difference from being a guard and being an attorney.

 

[Badger]

I think somebody here is getting paid by the Hiltons. Or maybe the perks of getting free lodging at any Hilton hotels worldwide.

Hilton Honors Card

This Paris Hilton Saga


Also, Spider-Bite can you post some links to articles. Because what you're saying is almost completely opposite to everything I've heard or read.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I think I heard 90 days, but it could have been more.

Well if the Judge is legally within his authority to sentence Paris to 45 days or more for what she did, then he was within his authority to do so. Pure and simple.

 

[DBella]

Hilton Honors Card

This Paris Hilton Saga

I agree.

Also, Spider-Bite can you post some links to articles. Because what you're saying is almost completely opposite to everything I've heard or read.

I second that. Link please? Thank you.

 

[jaguarr]

You know these guys are also going off of their experiences dealing with judges, defendants, lawyers, and prosecutors. Not to mention, the sentencing might be differnet in your district than it is in hers.

what exactly did you do in the courts anyways? didn't you say you worked in the jail? there is a big difference from being a guard and being an attorney.

Actually, I worked in the clerical division handling appellate cases. So, no...not in the jail or prison (though I have friends that did/do). The thing that has eluded you throughout this entire discussion (and has been said over and over again) is that there is no one size fits all punishment or sentence for any given crime. Nor is there one size fits all rules about commuting of sentences. It's entirely up to the discretion of the judge. The Sheriff's office has the ability to release people on house arrest unless explicitly forbidden by the sentencing order issued by the judge, which was the case with Paris' sentence, supposedly. They are also allowed to grant time off for good behavior or for each day served of a sentence, again...unless stated otherwise by the sentencing order. The judge probably could have given her many more days if he would have wanted to, and been well within his legal jurisdiction to do so. He was also well within his legal jurisdiction to amend her sentence in the fashion he did at the second hearing following her inappropriate release to house arrest. What happens to other prisoners is completely irrelevant.

jag

 

[Unique~God]

You know these guys are also going off of their experiences dealing with judges, defendants, lawyers, and prosecutors. Not to mention, the sentencing might be differnet in your district than it is in hers.

what exactly did you do in the courts anyways? didn't you say you worked in the jail? there is a big difference from being a guard and being an attorney.

now you're just being ignorant.

 

[Unique~God]

Actually, I worked in the clerical division handling appellate cases. So, no...not in the jail or prison (though I have friends that did/do). The thing that has eluded you throughout this entire discussion (and has been said over and over again) is that there is no one size fits all punishment or sentence for any given crime. Nor is there one size fits all rules about commuting of sentences. It's entirely up to the discretion of the judge. The Sheriff's office has the ability to release people on house arrest unless explicitly forbidden by the sentencing order issued by the judge, which was the case with Paris' sentence, supposedly. They are also allowed to grant time off for good behavior or for each day served of a sentence, again...unless stated otherwise by the sentencing order. The judge probably could have given her many more days if he would have wanted to, and been well within his legal jurisdiction to do so. He was also well within his legal jurisdiction to amend her sentence in the fashion he did at the second hearing following her inappropriate release to house arrest. What happens to other prisoners is completely irrelevant.

jag

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[Spider-Bite]

Actually, I worked in the clerical division handling appellate cases. So, no...not in the jail or prison (though I have friends that did/do). The thing that has eluded you throughout this entire discussion (and has been said over and over again) is that there is no one size fits all punishment or sentence for any given crime. Nor is there one size fits all rules about commuting of sentences. It's entirely up to the discretion of the judge. The Sheriff's office has the ability to release people on house arrest unless explicitly forbidden by the sentencing order issued by the judge, which was the case with Paris' sentence, supposedly. They are also allowed to grant time off for good behavior or for each day served of a sentence, again...unless stated otherwise by the sentencing order. The judge probably could have given her many more days if he would have wanted to, and been well within his legal jurisdiction to do so. He was also well within his legal jurisdiction to amend her sentence in the fashion he did at the second hearing following her inappropriate release to house arrest. What happens to other prisoners is completely irrelevant.

jag

I'm not saying the judge didn't have the option to give her a longer sentence to begin with, but had he given her extra time because of her being released, she easily could appeal that and win, because the constitution says the punishment is to fit the crime.

In addition if were talking about circumstances of the crime? She accepted a plea bargain, and she was barely at the legal limit.

And I doubt you worked in L.A.

 

[Badger]

Question: If you're very dead or barely dead, aren't you just as dead?