The politically incorrect thread

[The Senator]

..but wearing the wrong shoes makes you "icky"....

It depends on whether they were last year's style or not, but that is totally besides the point.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

So you didn't know who to be attracted to until you read it in a book? You didn't feel an attraction to either boys or girls until you read the bible? Wow, that seems really strange to me.

By the time I went through the whole "puberty" experience, I had some knowledge of God's commands on sexual subjects. I've made mistakes, but I've also repented and learned from them. Over the years, I've learned a lot more...and while my natural mind doesn't always understand everything, I keep pressing forward anyway.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Come on, Moviefan! Keep the crazy talk for the other thread please.

You can't discuss political correctness without addressing moral issues; I'm just answering questions as they're posted, to the best of my ability.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Lust is not an act of the body, but of the mind and heart. Just because a gay couple is celibate, doesn't mean they aren't lusting...and the same can be said of straight couples as well. Jesus even said Himself that lust was equal to adultery of the heart.

See this is part of the reason why I can't get behind the bible, it's too absolute. So if I'm just walking down the street and think a girl is hot, I've sinned and am a piece of $#!t in God's eyes until I go to confession to get my nice Christian car wash on, but if I go outside and another hot girl walks by, I'm back to being a piece of $#!t, but God made me attracted to women, so I'm screwed. I need to feel lust if I'm going to marry a women and make these feeling right in God's eyes, so why is lust a sin?!?!

 

[The Senator]

You can't discuss political correctness without addressing moral issues; I'm just answering questions as they're posted, to the best of my ability.

Except you aren't

 

[Edmund Blackadder]

bible peoples is funny

 

[Moviefan2k4]

See this is part of the reason why I can't get behind the bible, it's too absolute. So if I'm just walking down the street and think a girl is hot, I've sinned and am a piece of $#!t in God's eyes until I go to confession to get my nice Christian car wash on, but if I go outside and another hot girl walks by, I'm back to being a piece of $#!t, but God made me attracted to women, so I'm screwed. I need to feel lust if I'm going to marry a women and make these feeling right in God's eyes, so why is lust a sin?!?!

Sexual desire is not lust. using your scenario as an example, simply recognizing the girl in question is "hot" wouldn't be a sin...but having sex with her in your mind (or in reality) would, unless she's your wife. Sexually speaking, lust is basically an intense desire for somone you can't have in that manner yet. Attraction isn't sinful, but God does expect people to control those impulses.

Let me put it another way...

As a man myself, I happen to think that Jennifer Love Hewitt is a very attractive woman. Recognizing that fact, in and of itself, is not a sin in God's eyes. However, if I were to let my mind wander, and started thinking of possibilities involving the nearest flat surface...that's lust. See the difference?

 

[BlackLantern]

so what if a child is in an abusive heterosexual home, is removed, and the only option is a homosexual couple...do you let the child waste away in foster care or place them with that couple?

 

[Moviefan2k4]

so what if a child is in an abusive heterosexual home, is removed, and the only option is a homosexual couple...do you let the child waste away in foster care or place them with that couple?

What's to say they'd be "wasting away", as you put it? What's inherently wrong with foster care?

 

[BlackLantern]

It's hardly an ideal situation for a child....in some areas, it's basically a prison environment among the children...rife with assault and sexual abuse....I have a close friend who spent 3 years in foster care and was raped twice by other kids....

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Sexual desire is not lust. using your scenario as an example, simply recognizing the girl in question is "hot" wouldn't be a sin...but having sex with her in your mind (or in reality) would, unless she's your wife. Sexually speaking, lust is basically an intense desire for somone you can't have in that manner yet. Attraction isn't sinful, but God does expect people to control those impulses.

See, but that's assinine to expect me to not even think about having sex with a woman until we're married. The whole point of dating is getting to know each other, to see if you're compatable enough to be with each other, maybe get married and have sex. You can't have love without lust.

 

[BlackLantern]

What about "fat discrimination" and "fat acceptance"...that's a PC issue

 

[Moviefan2k4]

See, but that's assinine to expect me to not even think about having sex with a woman until we're married. The whole point of dating is getting to know each other, to see if you're compatable enough to be with each other, maybe get married and have sex. You can't have love without lust.

Thinking about it is one thing; dwelling on it is something else. There's nothing wrong in merely recognizing the attractiveness of the opposite sex. God doesn't view that as sinful, because he created us for attraction (among other things). What He does consider sin is for a man or woman to be dwelling on those thoughts when it involves someone they're not married to.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

It's hardly an ideal situation for a child....in some areas, it's basically a prison environment among the children...rife with assault and sexual abuse....I have a close friend who spent 3 years in foster care and was raped twice by other kids....

Never heard of anything like that before. The offender oughtta be tried as an adult and put behind bars.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Thinking about it is one thing; dwelling on it is something else. There's nothing wrong in merely recognizing the attractiveness of the opposite sex. God doesn't view that as sinful, because he created us for attraction (among other things). What He does consider sin is for a man or woman to be dwelling on those thoughts when it involves someone they're not married to.

Now you're backpeddling though, so I can think of having sex with a girl I'm dating, as long as it's not taking up too much time. Earlier you said just thinking about having sex is a sin though you time mention the time limit, how much time am I allowed to think about it?

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Now you're backpeddling though, so I can think of having sex with a girl I'm dating, as long as it's not taking up too much time. Earlier you said just thinking about having sex is a sin though you time mention the time limit, how much time am I allowed to think about it?

What I said was there's nothing wrong with recognizing someone as attractive...but once it goes beyond that, it's sinful because that person isn't your spouse (even if you're dating or engaged). Their body does not rightfully belong to you yet, because you have not entered into the covenant (not contract) of marriage.

Also, for those who say that various acts "aren't sex", let me pose this question: How would you feel if you were married, and your spouse started doing that with someone else besides you? Would you still think of it the same way?

I found a wonderful quote online just a few minutes ago, and I think it's brilliant with regards to this: "Premarital sex is like having a million-dollar trust fund you can't touch until you're married...and agreeing to trade it all for a thousand dollars right now."

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Here's a quote I like on the subject "If you actually waited until you are married to lose your virginity because you are so much a better person than the sniveling snot that we are. That you waiting through everything until that one night to make love to the person you will make love to for the rest of your life because you are a gambler on a level I can never imagine, my hat is off to you, wow, what courage!"

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Here's a quote I like on the subject "If you actually waited until you are married to lose your virginity because you are so much a better person than the sniveling snot that we are. That you waiting through everything until that one night to make love to the person you will make love to for the rest of your life because you are a gambler on a level I can never imagine, my hat is off to you, wow, what courage!"

I've said it more than once: just because we fail to live up to a standard, doesn't mean we abolish that standard.

 

[Eggyman]

I've said it more than once: just because we fail to live up to a standard, doesn't mean we abolish that standard.

But if inability to reach that standard is commonplace, then it is no longer a standard. It then becomes an unrealistic ideal.

 

[Whirlysplat]

How can such a potentially explosive thread have degenerated into this.

*shakes head*

 

[Moviefan2k4]

But if inability to reach that standard is commonplace, then it is no longer a standard. It then becomes an unrealistic ideal.

Not with this issue, because there are still those who actually do wait until they are married. Besides, God's laws aren't based on our ever-changing "reality"; they're based on His eternal knowledge and authority. He knows what's best for us, even more than we do.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

How can such a potentially explosive thread have degenerated into this?

That's like someone asking why a piece of dynamite exploded, after they put a lit fuse in it.

 

[Eggyman]

How can such a potentially explosive thread have degenerated into this.

This is how:

Not with this issue, because there are still those who actually do wait until they are married. Besides, God's laws aren't based on our ever-changing "reality"; they're based on His eternal knowledge and authority. He knows what's best for us, even more than we do.

 

[Eggyman]

That's like someone asking why a piece of dynamite exploded, after they put a lit fuse in it.

Are you the lit fuse?

 

[Whirlysplat]

Are you the lit fuse?

Eggyman you reallly are witty, are you a Brit?