The politically incorrect thread

[The Senator]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Moviefan doesn't support murder, yet he supports the war in Iraq.

His views are almost as inconsistent as the Bible itself.

 

[Yerzrinot]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Moviefan doesn't support murder, yet he supports the war in Iraq.

His views are almost as inconsistent as the Bible itself.

I wish we could send Moviefan to Iraq. Someone's gotta defuse those IEDS.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

These PEOPLE we are talking about are proud with the life they lead and the CHOICES they have made. People associate 'sin' with 'bad'. You are saying they are leading 'bad' lives. You are attacking people's way of life, and they are proud of who they are . . .

And that level of pride keeps them from seeing the truth. It doesn't just happen with homosexuals, either. There's people all over the world who are proud of living sinful lives. They reject the truth because it asks them to change, and they're either afraid to, or just plain stubborn.

...because it's choices that define the person.

Choices are made by people; Those who allow their negative choices to consume them have stepped into trap of their own making.

 

[Eggyman]

And that level of pride keeps them from seeing the truth. It doesn't just happen with homosexuals, either. There's people all over the world who are proud of living sinful lives. They reject the truth because it asks them to change, and they're either afraid to, or just plain stubborn.

Choices are made by people; Those who allow their negative choices to consume them have stepped into trap of their own making.

This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. You truly are incorruptible aren't you?

. . . I think you and I are destined to do this forever.

 

[Whirlysplat]

War is not murder because it has the support of the state. The Rule of Law is based on the threat of force - As is civilisation.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

True, but you specifically cited sexual compatibility, which is simple biology. If both a man or woman are nvolved, then sexual compatibility is present. It may take time to learn everything (as it should), but that doesn't mean they should do so without marrying. Also, you didn't mention emotional or spiritual compatibility until this post; I'm glad you brought it up, because so many couples focus mostly on the sexual aspects, and barely consider everything else that factors into a relationship.

I specifically cited sexual compatibility because you are against it. It's more than just a man having a penis and woman having a vagina. It's knowing what each other like or doesn't like in the bedroom, knowing you will be able to excite each other. I've mentioned in multiple posts about emotional compatability, "Couples practice every other part of being together as man and wife, why not that as well." I may not have said this as emotional compatibility because I didn't think I needed to spell it out. Every aspect of a couples life together is important and I don't think people should enter marriage lightly, every aspect is important and sex is a large part of that. How would you feel if you weren't able to ever give your wife an orgasm, seeing as women's bodies work differently and it's not always something that can be achieved with practice. So you're married, but you're never able to completely satisfy your wife, you couldn't know this until you're married, but she is somewhat miserable because she knows she'll never be able to acheive an orgasm because in some aspect you are just not sexually compatible.

Such a thing is not supported or endorsed by Scripture, so no I wouldn't. God doesn't go against his Word, and for Him to command outright murder would be completely against His character.

God's asked people to kill for him quite a number of times in the Old Testament, I forgot the names, but the father who was asked to kill his son as proof of his faith. Sure, God stopped him at the last minute, but the father certainly didn't know he would. God also completley condones outright murder, Soddam and Gormorrah, the Great Flood ring any bells? That was premedatated mass murder.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

This is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object. You truly are incorruptible aren't you?

. . . I think you and I are destined to do this forever.

I actually liked those lines from "The Dark Knight"; nice quote.

However, in all seriousness, I'm far from incorruptible. I'm as fallible as any human being is. But God's Word isn't fallible, which is why I trust Him. I'd have a very difficult time trusting someone whose laws constantly changed for every scenario imaginable. Such a thing would make those laws extremely unreliable. I choose to trust God more than my own mortal mind; that's rarely easy, but it is worth it.

 

[Yerzrinot]

War is not murder because it has the support of the state.

By that logic the holocaust wasn't wrong.

 

[Eggyman]

I actually liked those lines from "The Dark Knight"; nice quote.

However, in all seriousness, I'm far from incorruptible. I'm as fallible as any human being is. But God's Word isn't fallible, which is why I trust Him. I'd have a very difficult time trusting someone whose laws constantly changed for every scenario imaginable. Such a thing would make those laws extremely unreliable. I choose to trust God more than my own mortal mind; that's rarely easy, but it is worth it.

If that is the case, I pray that your mental health never deteriorates. It would be very dangerous, if you ever hallucinated God telling you to do something terrible.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

War is not murder because it has the support of the state. The Rule of Law is based on the threat of force - As is civilisation.

Killing another human being is murder. Doesn't matter if it's state sanctioned or not, you're actively trying to kill other human beings in war, that is murder.

 

[Whirlysplat]

By that logic the holocaust just fine.

No the Holocaust was not fine because it broke the rules of engagement and was a "War Crime" e.g. it targeted non combatants. That is why the Holocaust and genocide in general is classed as a crime against humnanity within a war or in a time of peace.

 

[The Guard]

Far as I can tell, Moviefan is entitled to (his/her?) opinion. It's not a popular one here, but at least he or she is backing it up. Sort of.

Thanks. As King David himself once wrote, "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not be in want."

Random point, but ironically, wasn't David himself almost constantly in "want" of some sort? Wives and concubines and conquering kingdoms and all that?

I understand homosexuality's true nature; it's a perversion, used by Satan to divide people that God intended to bond together.

Care to elaborate on that? Why would Satan use that, instead of just instilling people with pure hatred and malice toward one another?

And people, war is not murder. It is a gentleman's pursuit.

 

[Yerzrinot]

If that is the case, I pray that your mental health never deteriorates. It would be very dangerous, if you ever hallucinated God telling you to do something terrible.

That would make a really good movie...

 

[amazingfantasy15]

No the Holocaust was not fine because it broke the rules of engagement and was a "War Crime" e.g. it targeted non combatants. That is why the Holocaust and genocide in general is classed as a crime against humnanity within a war or in a time of peace.

The Holocaust was Hitler's war on the Jewish religion, it was sanctioned by Germany, therefore under your definition, not murder. Hitler felt the Jewish people posed a threat to him and his master race.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

War is not murder because it has the support of the state.

Murder entails the premeditative and deliberate taking of a human life without any just reason for doing so. U.S. soldiers are in Iraq fighting for our freedom against both Al-Queda (sp?) and their sympathizers. they aim to destroy us out of fear and hatred. We're there to defend justice and democracy...and ultimately, if death is the only thing that will stop them, so be it.

 

[Yerzrinot]

No the Holocaust was not fine because it broke the rules of engagement and was a "War Crime" e.g. it targeted non combatants. That is why the Holocaust and genocide in general is classed as a crime against humnanity within a war or in a time of peace.

Dead is dead no matter what rules were or were not broke. Thousands of innocent civilians were killed in the bombings of Afghanistan and Iraq. Way more then the number who perished in 9/11.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Dead is dead no matter what rules were or were not broke. Thousands of innocent civilians were killed in the bombings of Afghanistan and Iraq. Way more then the number who perished in 9/11.

Those were collateral damages, they were not murdered as they were part of the group they were at war with. Neither were the rules of engagement broken. Read the Geneva convention. Murder is a legal term, war does not fit it.

 

[Yerzrinot]

Murder entails the premeditative and deliberate taking of a human life without any just reason for doing so. U.S. soldiers are in Iraq fighting for our freedom against both Al-Queda (sp?) and their sympathizers. they aim to destroy us out of fear and hatred. We're there to defend justice and democracy...and ultimately, if death is the only thing that will stop them, so be it.

Get your facts straight. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or Al Qaeda.

 

[Yerzrinot]

Those were collateral damages, they were not murdered as they were part of the group they were at war with. Neither were the rules of engagement broken. Read the Geneva convention.

The US government violates the Geneva convention and Habeas Corpus all the time. Ever heard of waterboarding?

 

[The Senator]

Murder entails the premeditative and deliberate taking of a human life without any just reason for doing so. U.S. soldiers are in Iraq fighting for our freedom against both Al-Queda (sp?) and their sympathizers. they aim to destroy us out of fear and hatred. We're there to defend justice and democracy...and ultimately, if death is the only thing that will stop them, so be it.

How is war not premeditated murder? The President proposed sending troops over to Iraq, Congress passed it, it is well-known that casualties often occur in times of war... we have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians since 2003, our own troop fatalities now surpass the number of those killed on September 11. We are no better than the terrorists we hope to defeat.

Additionally, Al Qaeda did not attack us because they hate freedom [you're a true Texan though for believing that]. Whenever people who are not well versed in issues of foreign policy say something incredibly ridiculous as "the terr'rists hate us 'cuz we :heart: freedom," I am always reminded of a quote by David Cross which sums up the situation quite nicely:

I don't think Osama bin Laden sent those planes to attack us because he hated our freedom. I think he did it because of our support for Israel, our ties with the Saudi family and our military bases in Saudi Arabia. You know why I think that? Because that's what he ****ing said! Are we a nation of 6-year-olds? Answer: yes.

Maybe we should stop invading Middle Eastern nations and building bases on sacred grounds? Maybe then they'll stop attacking us?

Just a suggestion.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Far as I can tell, Moviefan is entitled to (his/her?) opinion. It's not a popular one here, but at least he or she is backing it up. Sort of.

I'm a 28-year-old Texan man, just for the record.

Random point, but ironically, wasn't David himself almost constantly in "want" of some sort? Wives and concubines and conquering kingdoms and all that?

the only times that David was in true longing for anything was when he went against God's will (like his whole affair with Bathsheba, for example). David was far from perfect, but he was also wise enough to realize that anyone who trusts God more than themselves will be blessed for it. God Himself even called David "a man after My own heart".

Care to elaborate on that? Why would Satan use that, instead of just instilling people with pure hatred and malice toward one another?

He does that, too; he will use any form of trickery or blasphemy necessary to get people to turn away from God. He wants us to suffer, because he continually suffers. Scripture even says there's a consuming fire burning within him.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Get your facts straight. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or Al Qaeda.

Never said it did. However a decision was made to declare war on Suddam Hussein this was made by elected leaders. Murder is a legal term, War does not fit it.

 

[Whirlysplat]

How is war not premeditated murder? The President proposed sending troops over to Iraq, Congress passed it, it is well-known that casualties often occur in times of war... we have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians since 2003, our own troop fatalities now surpass the number of those killed on September 11. We are no better than the terrorists we hope to defeat.

Additionally, Al Qaeda did not attack us because they hate freedom [you're a true Texan though for believing that]. Whenever people who are not well versed in issues of foreign policy say something incredibly ridiculous as "the terr'rists hate us 'cuz we :heart: freedom," I am always reminded of a quote by David Cross which sums up the situation quite nicely:

I don't think Osama bin Laden sent those planes to attack us because he hated our freedom. I think he did it because of our support for Israel, our ties with the Saudi family and our military bases in Saudi Arabia. You know why I think that? Because that's what he ****ing said! Are we a nation of 6-year-olds? Answer: yes.

Murder is a legal term, war and peacekeeping actions backed by the law do not fit it.

 

[The Senator]

Murder is a legal term, war and peacekeeping actions backed by the law do not fit it.

It is hardly peacekeeping to drop a bomb on an Iraqi wedding and deny responsibility for the dozens of deaths which resulted from it.

 

[Moviefan2k4]

...we have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians since 2003...

That is highly unlikely. Why would American troops kill innocent civilians, when they're in Iraq to combat the Al-Qaeda army? We're combatting the extremists, not the innocents.