The Presidential Debates

[Marx]

Yes. Just read another fun fact. There was a lien filed against him for $1200 in unpaid taxes from January of 2007.

:facepalm

 

[jaguarr]

Yes. Just read another fun fact. There was a lien filed against him for $1200 in unpaid taxes from January of 2007.

jag

 

[Marx]

PALIN PRAISES MCCAIN'S DEBATE PERFORMANCE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...cains-debate-performance-in-democratic-maine/

 

[CaptainClown]

PALIN PRAISES MCCAIN'S DEBATE PERFORMANCE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...cains-debate-performance-in-democratic-maine/

course, what else is a dog going to do.

 

[Paradoxium]

One of my friends' relatives was sued for what appeared to be a false accusation, but the case was dropped before it went to court. Other than that... no.

As for the businesses... the courts will decide which cases are worth looking at, and cases which may seem false will be dropped. It happens in a wide variety of cases, I don't see why it would be different here.

Every time we try to advance civil rights in this country, people always use the "what if they sue???/??!!1!1one!1!" line. Tough. Maybe if we achieved this fair pay system years ago (you know, when the Equal Rights Amendment was floating around), we wouldn't have this problem.

The problem is not the issue of being able to sue. Women can. The problem is they can sue years on from the incident. This law has a retroactive quality. Although my law is rough, it would be nice if anyone can clarify on this. Does it mean all past cases after the act? Or ALL past cases including the ones BEFORE the act?

As I posted before:

Mr. Obama's statement that women are paid 77% of what men earn comes from outdated Census Bureau calculations that compare full-time median annual earnings of all women with those of all men. This is a spurious comparison. It does not take into account differences in education, job responsibility, years worked for an employer, occupation, hours worked in a year, and time in the workforce.

Lower pay can reflect decisions — by men and women — about field of study, occupation, and time in the workforce. Those who don't finish high school earn less. College graduates who major in humanities rather than the sciences typically have lower incomes, and more women than men choose humanities majors. Many women take time out of the workforce to stay home with children, or choose jobs with shorter hours.

An economics professor at Baruch College, June O'Neill, analyzed data for men and women on demographics, education, work experience, children, and scores on the Armed Forces Qualification Test. When such differences are accounted for, men and women earn about the same.

When you control these variable the gap is less.

Others not included is the pay that people get out of overtime. Women with children won't have the time to do as much overtime. And overtime also contributes to the chances of promotions. On top of that it does not account for mat leave gaps. If women want to cut the gap down even more, it's simple: DO NOT have babies or adopt children period.

But I am not blindingly stupid to ignore discrimination, the type of discrimination women face is very similar to short (and ugly) men. Short people do get paid less, the statistical cut off is 5'7 to be exact. This is of course ludicrous because it has no baring on intelligence and qualification. On top of that employers may not give the short man or woman enough time or "opportunities" to rake up the experience points. This type of discrimination is unpreventable; it is a human frailty. Neither market forces nor government intervention will ever resolve it, because it is impossible to micromanage this. I mean I don't see any "Ugly Midget Men for Equal Pay" act, how are they also not justified? I am not saying it is not a problem, but it's impossible to manage.

But mathematically there is no way in hell this statistical difference is the 77 cents to the dollar, maybe at most a couple cents when all variables are accounted for.

 

[Paradoxium]

They are, I think hitmanyr2k should edit his post

 

[christhn]

PALIN PRAISES MCCAIN'S DEBATE PERFORMANCEhttp://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...cains-debate-performance-in-democratic-maine/

course, what else is a dog going to do.

Hillary praised Obama's!

 

[Raiden]

course, what else is a dog going to do.

 

[Honey Vibe]

I think you hate men.

 

[christhn]

lol

 

[souvlaki]

You sound an AWFUL lot like John McCain right now.

"If he had just conceded to my request to have town hall meetings, none of that would ever have happened!"

Only instead, it's:

"If John McCain hadn't mentioned him repeatedly in the debate, I wouldn't HAVE to dig up completely irrelevant dirt on Joe the Plumber!"

Just tell me: what the hell difference does it make whether or not Joe is a licensed plumber? Are you ****ing kidding me?

You're really going to focus on THIS when you could be focusing on the tanking economy? Whatever.

By the way, Joe said in an interview this morning that he is, in fact, registered to vote.

Mellow out. The only reason I brought it up was because it was being discussed on CNN earlier. It's not like I went digging for dirt on the guy, it's something that is out there and people were already talking about. I dont get how people other people could be discussing and posting unflattering pictures of McCain, and his facial ticks throughout the night, but as soon as I post links about Joe the Plumber, from major news sources btw, suddenly a line has been crossed.

 

[Matt]

This SNL-thursday debate skit is lame as hell. There were such better ways to parody the debate than the "imaginary Joe the Plumber," angle. I mean, clearly there is a Joe the plumber. He's been interviewed like, 25 times today. It was just a lame way to go about it, IMO.

 

[bunk]

The SNL writers are apparently unable to come up with some decent material in a day.

 

[Matt]

The SNL writers are apparently unable to come up with some decent material in a day.

Clearly. So far the weekend update has had one funny joke ("Apparently they did not realize there already is a gay high school, :shows picture of High School Musical Poster:")

But yeah, the whole "Crazy McCain rally lady," was stale as hell. It was just kind of annoying and went on for too long. It was like one of the Family Guy jokes where a character keeps repeating the same thing for 5 minutes and just gets annoying after the first two.

 

[souvlaki]

This SNL-thursday debate skit is lame as hell. There were such better ways to parody the debate than the "imaginary Joe the Plumber," angle. I mean, clearly there is a Joe the plumber. He's been interviewed like, 25 times today. It was just a lame way to go about it, IMO.

That's a bit too predictable. When they kept bringing up Joe the Plumber the first thing I thought was it would be the major punchline used in SNL's sketch. I was kind of hoping they'd surprise me and go with a different angle.

 

[The Professor]

Yes, because nothings more lovable than an worthless, despicable, hatefilled obnoxious jackass. :heart:

Keith Olbermann is our generations Walter Conkrite. Or any Andy Warhol. I haven't quite decided.

The point is this; embrace the Olbermann or perish. For this, lovable fiend, is the way of the future.

 

[Honey Vibe]

Keith Olbermann is our generations Walter Conkrite. Or any Andy Warhol. I haven't quite decided.

The point is this; embrace the Olbermann or perish. For this, lovable fiend, is the way of the future.

I like Olbermann but I must admit, I only switch to MSNBC for "entertainment news". Put the bias in its place: it's not real news, and should not be treated as such. More balanced newsrooms like CNN gain more of my respect.

 

[Thinkton]

ive watched all of the debates now and one of mccains main points against the obama tax plan is that he is going to be raising taxes on small businesses. obama says that this is not the case because most small businesses dont make 250,000/yr. The definition varies per industry but it is generally accepted that it is a business with 100 or few employees. Now, I dont have any facts to back this up, but common sense will tell you that millions of businesses have less than 100 employees in the USA. If you own a company with 100 employees, Im pretty sure your company earns 250.000/yr. If your company only has 25 employees, there is still a good chance that you earn over 250,000/yr. It seems to me that McCains concerns over this tax plan are legit. if taxes are raised on small businesses, it means less jobs, or those higher prices are passed on to the customer.

 

[Fading]

Some of you mentioned McCain and Obama telling jokes earlier and I looked up and saw the footage of the Alfred E. Smith memorial dinner. McCain and Obama were both funny. McCain is actually pretty good at his delivery, and got a laugh out of me with the, "Oprah calls him the one, I call him that one" joke. Obama's superman, see the Russian tea room joke, and a few others were funny as well.

 

[Thinkton]

Obama's tax plan will increase taxes on business with gross profits in excess of 250K..

Think of it this way..

If you own a small business, have 10 employees and pay them almost poverty wages of 25K each per year...

If you make less than 250K you wont be in business long now will you?

His tax plan will impact business with as few as 2 or 3 employees...

It will also increase the base personal tax of a single individual making 42K or more per year...

Think before you vote

 

[Fading]

The only thing I'll say is that McCain asked the very same thing you are Thinkton, and Obama said a 0% tax increase to that 250k small buisness. I believe small buisnesses are going to be held to a different standard, and the 250k is more towards the individual. Otherwise he wouldn't have said the 0 line, or constantly said he's not going to tax small buisnesses in that bracket. What he considers a small buisness, I'll leave that up to someone else to figure out.

I'm as worried about McCain's healthcare system as much as you are about Obama's tax plan. 5k isn't enough for some ppl, some are going to find the hunt for healthcare to be a hassle, some buisnesses aren't going to be able to afford tossing around 5k checks and are going to start laying ppl off.

 

[souvlaki]

Obama's tax plan will increase taxes on business with gross profits in excess of 250K..

Think of it this way..

If you own a small business, have 10 employees and pay them almost poverty wages of 25K each per year...

If you make less than 250K you wont be in business long now will you?

His tax plan will impact business with as few as 2 or 3 employees...

It will also increase the base personal tax of a single individual making 42K or more per year...

Think before you vote

Are you just copying and pasting chain letters? You posted the same thing in the Obama thread.

 

[p4poetic]

I think that by far this was John McCain's BEST debate performance of the trio. He really put Obama on the defensive and during the first 40 minutes I was thinking "Hmmmm...this might really flip this time." But he started to crumble over various issues and I'm sorry--but the personal stuff about Ayers, etc. just came across so petty and childish.

Not really. He was cranky. Probably didn't get jello at lunch.

 

[The Senator]

Obama's tax plan will increase taxes on business with gross profits in excess of 250K..

Think of it this way..

If you own a small business, have 10 employees and pay them almost poverty wages of 25K each per year...

If you make less than 250K you wont be in business long now will you?

His tax plan will impact business with as few as 2 or 3 employees...

It will also increase the base personal tax of a single individual making 42K or more per year...

Think before you vote

How long until you post the email you received earlier today pointing out that Obama is Muslin and wants to replace the White House with a pyramid?

 

[Bathead]

And it's just as incorrect here as it was there.