The Presidential Debates

[Paradoxium]

i've seen him in 3 seperate interviews since the debate.

I don't bother paying attention to the MSM, and like it matters to policy and economy if he gets interviewed. It's a stupid waste of time.

 

[Gilpesh]

Paradoxium.... it is McCain's fault. He brought the guy up... and brought the guy up.... AND BROUGHT THE GUY UP.... AND KEPT BRINGING HIM UP!

 

[souvlaki]

Paradoxium.... it is McCain's fault. He brought the guy up... and brought the guy up.... AND BROUGHT THE GUY UP.... AND KEPT BRINGING HIM UP!

And then the guy went and did a whole crapload of interviews yesterday. That's all people were talking about on the morning news.

 

[Paradoxium]

Paradoxium.... it is McCain's fault. He brought the guy up... and brought the guy up.... AND BROUGHT THE GUY UP.... AND KEPT BRINGING HIM UP!

While I am not going to excuse him for being stupid enough to take up those interviews (or his background). My question is why the hell were there interview requests in the first place? Just cause McCain said Joe the Plumber a couple of times? It's a stupid waste of time.

 

[Raiden]

It looks like McCain thinks Joe will be his ticket to the WH or something. I won't be surprised if he tries to invite Joe to campaign with him together.

 

[Gilpesh]

Paradoxium... McCain's entire night seemed based around this guy... so of course the media was going to go after him. A lot of McCain's argument seemed to depend on the guy... and surprise, the guy dodges taxes and his company doesn't make anywhere near that line Obama has...

 

[Paradoxium]

Paradoxium... McCain's entire night seemed based around this guy... so of course the media was going to go after him. A lot of McCain's argument seemed to depend on the guy... and surprise, the guy dodges taxes and his company doesn't make anywhere near that line Obama has...

That's not a justification. And McCain was trying to use Joe the Plumber as an analogy of the small business working class. Anyways this is going to blow over anyways, unless the media is dumb enough to keep dragging this dead horse when we have bigger problems right now

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Joe not a licensed plumber, McCain's enthusiasm not diminished



http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonat...Cains_enthusiasm_not_diminished.html#comments

LMAO Epic Fail Joe

 

[Gilpesh]

That's not a justification.

Yes, yes it is. It seemed like McCain had found one of the 'victims' of Obama's plan. And he didn't...

And McCain was trying to use Joe the Plumber as an analogy of the small business working class.

Then... he should have actually said the small business and middle class... instead of a s**ty analogy that tries to make him 'in touch' with the working people but shows just how out of touch he is... because he knew nothing of that guy.

Anyways this is going to blow over anyways, unless the media is dumb enough to keep dragging this dead horse when we have bigger problems right now

Agreed.

 

[jaguarr]

LOL like Obama or that Biden clown will make a difference. It doesn't matter how smooth either are, or what they say... weak economy = less money = less benefits. Period.

Both candidates will tank it, but Obama will do it faster with his idiotic economic stimulus package, repeating Hoover all over again. McCain - he just doesn't know what the hell he is doing. He is a poor man's Democrat.

Women think they have it bad right?

Hahahah they haven't seen anything yet. t:

With a piss poor economy and a massive government deficit, wait till they start seeing employers not even hire young women anymore because they worry about maternal leave. This is a case of brutal pragmatism and cold efficiency, not sexism. Basically they end up hiring really old women beyond their fertility age to meet government numbers. This phenomenon is already happening in the UK. And what is the government going to do? Force them hire women who will have children? You end up tanking these already fragile companies and now everyone will have the equality of being unemployed.

My point is, if you are worried about women, start worrying about the economy first.

Besides if you control statistics for women who don't have children, you control the hours at work (ones who are equalized to men), the pay between such a women to men are equal. In some cases women even make significantly more (particularly in New York). I recall there was a huge NY Times article on this, it was something to the effect 18% higher than men. As for the overall picture, men do take on the most dangerous jobs, that's one of the other reasons why they get paid more; the danger premium. It's no coincidence men die 90% of the time on the job, and have a shorter lifespan by 5-10 years compared to women. Unless women think it's a conspiracy to oppress women from getting killed equally on the job

Maybe, maybe not, but McCain has consistently voted against women's rights and equal pay.

jag

 

[Carcharodon]

I agree with Paradoxium. I don't give a **** whether or not he has or hasn't paid his backtaxes, or whether he's a licensed plumber. Are you guys kidding? WHO THE **** CARES?

It's as utterly stupid as when McCain/Palin bring up Ayers, if not moreso. At least Obama actually KNOWS Ayers and was somehow affiliated with him. Joe the Plumber is just some random guy that McCain latched onto somehow.

Stick with the issues. This is petty (and unnecessary) beyond all belief.

 

[lazur]

Some of my president's policies? More like most. But really, we're going into the area of semantics here.

Yeah, he clearly isn't President Bush. There's no body switching here going on.

Fact is, McCain has voted with Bush 95% of the time, a fact he has never tried to deny or deflect.

Your 95% figure is only true for the year 2007. So check your facts.

But if we're going to pull out percentage figures, it's important to note that Obama has voted with fellow Senate Democrats 96 - 97% of the time during his entire time in the Senate.

Neither looks to be a 'good' thing when the approval rating of Bush is 30% and the approval rating of Congress (led by Democrats) is 10 to 15%.

 

[Frodo]

IMO McCain probably lost the election last night.

*I get what he was trying to do with the whole Joe plummer thing, but you have to talk to the entire electorate , not just one voter.
*I think MCain really hurt himself with moderates in the abortion part of the debate with the whole dimissive, "mother's health" comment.
*McCain losing his temper while Obama look calm under fire also didn't help , especailly when your narrative is you have the expirence to handle pressure. *Yes, he didneed to go negative against Obama but you've got to do it in reference to the economy , not some old fart from the 60's .
* He didn't even say middle class, and when he started complaining about" Spreading the wealth" it showed me how tone deaf he is in this political climate.

 

[souvlaki]

I agree with Paradoxium. I don't give a **** whether or not he has or hasn't paid his backtaxes, or whether he's a licensed plumber. Are you guys kidding? WHO THE **** CARES?

It's as utterly stupid as when McCain/Palin bring up Ayers, if not moreso. At least Obama actually KNOWS Ayers and was somehow affiliated with him. Joe the Plumber is just some random guy that McCain latched onto somehow.

Stick with the issues. This is petty (and unnecessary) beyond all belief.

Dude, he held his own press conference this morning. If you are going to blame anyone, blame Joe the Plumber and John McCain.

 

[Superman]

Joe not a licensed plumber, McCain's enthusiasm not diminished



http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonat...Cains_enthusiasm_not_diminished.html#comments

Apparently Joe hasn't paid his back taxes either. Poor Joe the Plumber.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aWDHvDjnDnTs&refer=home

So this "Joe the plumber", Who McCain wanted to help so badly with his business and taxes, Isn't even a real plumber and he pays no taxes.

 

[jaguarr]

So this "Joe the plumber", Who McCain wanted to help so badly with his business and taxes, Isn't even a real plumber and he pay no taxes.

I think I read somewhere that he's also not registered to vote.

jag

 

[souvlaki]

I think I read somewhere that he's also not registered to vote.

jag

 

[Goddessreicho]

I think you hate men.

Why do you say that? Cause I didn't say that at all... I really don't like issues that will most likely directly effect me being laughed at and dismissed.

 

[Marx]

IMO McCain probably lost the election last night.

*I get what he was trying to do with the whole Joe plummer thing, but you have to talk to the entire electorate , not just one voter.
*I think MCain really hurt himself with moderates in the abortion part of the debate with the whole dimissive, "mother's health" comment.
*McCain losing his temper while Obama look calm under fire also didn't help , especailly when your narrative is you have the expirence to handle pressure. *Yes, he didneed to go negative against Obama but you've got to do it in reference to the economy , not some old fart from the 60's .
* He didn't even say middle class, and when he started complaining about" Spreading the wealth" it showed me how tone deaf he is in this political climate.

Personally, I could care less about 'Joe the plumber'. And most polling suggests the broader electorate felt the same way.

As for John McCain's performance, I think he turned off any moderate or undecided left out there. Once again, he seemed to be gearing everything toward the base. (Which tells me that he must be worried to some extent to continue to feel like he has to rally them.) He should be concerned about the independents and moderates out there that haven't made up their minds yet...but those people do not seem to be his concern. The John McCain of old is dead, as I've said many times. He has turned into everything that he condemned in 2000. His debate performances emphasize that. And you're absolutely right Frodo - in all three presidential debates, not one time did he mention 'middle class'.

 

[Marx]

So this "Joe the plumber", Who McCain wanted to help so badly with his business and taxes, Isn't even a real plumber and he pays no taxes.

I think I read somewhere that he's also not registered to vote.

jag

:facepalm

 

[The Guard]

I'm curious, what WOULD be justification for the press unveiling details about Joe the Plumber? McCain and his campaign made a stupid, very public, national move, and Joe put himself out there as well, near as I can tell. No one forced him to go on TV. And again, this stuff is a matter of public record.

 

[jaguarr]

Personally, I could care less about 'Joe the plumber'. And most polling suggests the broader electorate felt the same way.

As for John McCain's performance, I think he turned off any moderate or undecided left out there. Once again, he seemed to be gearing everything toward the base. (Which tells me that he must be worried to some extent to continue to feel like he has to rally them.) He should be concerned about the independents and moderates out there that haven't made up their minds yet...but those people do not seem to be his concern. The John McCain of old is dead, as I've said many times. He has turned into everything that he condemned in 2000. His debate performances emphasize that. And you're absolutely right Frodo - in all three presidential debates, not one time did he mention 'middle class'.

Yep. Totally agree. Joe the Plumber is just another distraction tactic (or is it a strategy? ) away from the real issues. His entire campaign has been built around this trivial kind of crap. He obviously thought he had some sort of ace up his sleeve with the whole Joe the Plumber thing last night; the look on his face the first time he brought it up said that quite loudly. However it didn't really pan out well for him and he kept harping on it and it ultimately backfired on him. He is definitely trying to rally his base, but that's not going to be enough to get him elected. I think he did a lot in that debate last night to scare away undecided and/or independent voters, quite honestly.

jag

 

[That-Guy]

Lol....creepy. Yet sadly it's still not as creepy as the zombie McCain GIF last night, which was an actual facial expression. I think I had a dream about McCain rising from my floor boards with that expression chasing me shouting, "I'm going to eat your brains and destroy your healthcare!"

LOL, exactly. That look McCain got on his face every time Obama was talking reminded me of The Leprechaun.

 

[Carcharodon]

Dude, he held his own press conference this morning. If you are going to blame anyone, blame Joe the Plumber and John McCain.

You sound an AWFUL lot like John McCain right now.

"If he had just conceded to my request to have town hall meetings, none of that would ever have happened!"

Only instead, it's:

"If John McCain hadn't mentioned him repeatedly in the debate, I wouldn't HAVE to dig up completely irrelevant dirt on Joe the Plumber!"

Just tell me: what the hell difference does it make whether or not Joe is a licensed plumber? Are you ****ing kidding me?

You're really going to focus on THIS when you could be focusing on the tanking economy? Whatever.

By the way, Joe said in an interview this morning that he is, in fact, registered to vote.

 

[jaguarr]

By the way, Joe said in an interview this morning that he is, in fact, registered to vote.

Did he show his voter registration card? picious:

jag