The Professor's Outcome

[XCharlieX]

lol its funny what happens when one doesnt slow the film down. I saw Magneto put pyro in his place in an understated way. That spoke a lot about his character to me, but some see it as a lecture that meant little lol

 

[89123]

this was probably the best scene in the entire trilogy. i was shocked.

anybody who says they expected to see that is a liar plain and simple. what an amazing scene. probably the only time when the writers went far away from the comics and things went spectacularly right.

phoenix powers were demonstrated more than sufficiently there!

 

[The Apocalypse]

I thought it was funny that he recruited Jean right after she killed his friend

 

[usesoap]

PROFESSOR X DIDN'T DIE. HE ISN'T DEAD! STOP SAYING IT, STOP SAYING "THE DEATH OF THE PROFESSOR!!! stay after the credits, watch the last scene. His body died, but he's fine. He's inside the other body. Now shhhh

 

[tw9876z]

He loses the mental battle I guess.

but what I wanted more is to see Jean's mental battle against Phoenix. It seemed like she was only popping up from time to time whenever logan came by to beg to die but never fought the phoenix herself... what happened while she was in that energy caccoon to make her no longer be able to control her manifesting phoenix powers? it kills me that she only ever gets crazy and attacks someone with full phoenix force unprovoked when she kills scott. All the other times, she's just chilling and then someone pisses her off and she kills them...but not with scott though... it just seemed funky why she did that and it's never explored. I understand why she killed the prof. He's a jerk who locked her away for years because he's afraid of her. This isn't like naruto. She didn't do anything to deserve being locked away, not yet anyway.

Phoenix probably hated scott due to him loving jean. I thought that the surpressed side hated everything that jean loved. So with cyclops she offed him to piss off jean, which worked seemingly. Also the phoenix was into wolverine, the one jean chose not to be with, it seems that the phoenix was trying to be the opposite of jean and hurt her as much as possible.

 

[XCharlieX]

I thought it was funny that he recruited Jean right after she killed his friend

Thats so like Magneto. He does things for the greater cause. Remember when he left Xavier in cerebro? "goodbye charles"

"Still unwilling to make sacrifices. Thats what makes you weak."

 

[The Apocalypse]

Yeah I know..that is why Magneto owns all..Magneto was Right!

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I've retitled this thread.

Oh, and this scene rocked my socks on so many levels.

 

[Drago]

I thought it was funny that he recruited Jean right after she killed his friend

A lot of people looked at his recruiting of Jean as a disrespect of Charles, but I think it was just that he believed in Jean/Pheonix. Magneto had great affection for Xavier, but his beliefs were that Jean should be allowed to be whatever she naturally is (Magneto of all people would never support restraining a mutant's abilities).

For the people trying to draw a connection between Magneto's losing Xavier and his recruiting of Jean, I think that maybe the only one you can really try and place there is his looking after Jean as respect to Charles (who would've wanted her taken care of)- but even that's stretching things a little. His values in regard to Xavier and Jean were completely unrelated.

 

[Drago]

Oh, and this scene rocked my socks on so many levels.

Completely agree. A "psychic battle" is one of those things that I wouldn't have had the faintest idea how to represent on film- very, very well done.

 

[XCharlieX]

Its not really disrespect, just his beliefs must go on is how Magneto works.

And as for psychic battle, there was a small one between xavier and Jason in x2, but nothing on this level.

 

[The Kid]

Phoenix probably hated scott due to him loving jean. I thought that the surpressed side hated everything that jean loved. So with cyclops she offed him to piss off jean, which worked seemingly. Also the phoenix was into wolverine, the one jean chose not to be with, it seems that the phoenix was trying to be the opposite of jean and hurt her as much as possible.

hmmm, wtf, that may be true... never thought of that...

but to challenge it just a bit more I'd say scott, much like logan, easily could have brought the old jean back like Logan does a few times in the movie. because his girl is still there inside, like logan says she is. I'd think she'd give the phoenix a fight instead of let her do it, but somehow the phoenix lets logan go ahead and insert his claws because, well, I don't know. I'm guessing it was jean's love for logan that let her break through enough to let him strike. that's all I've got.

After she kills scott, she sends out a psychic wave thing of some kind to alert the professor and I guess everyone in the mansion, then inexplicably loses consciousness, and is brought back to the mansion. was it jean who caused this? I wish I knew. I also wish I knew why the professor didn't restore the mental blocks when he had the perfect chance with jean sleeping on the table. I don't know what to think about that because I have no idea what that thing on her head was, nor whether it was doing the job for him, or if the phoenix was awake the whole time but toying with everyone. What the floating rocks and stuff was all about. I may need help in understanding all of it... and maybe it'll be fleshed out on the extended edition if there is one.

by that I mean maybe there's a scene of the phoenix being fought by jean and the not-yet-strong-enough phoenix fights back and they cause k.O. each other. Something like that...

 

[XCharlieX]

Someone correct me if im wrong but wasnt that xavier that stopped the flying glass from hitting him in Jeans house? That was an amazing moment.

 

[ComicKoryn]

You know, after watching the movie several times, I've reached a different place emotionally then I was initially.

I really don't see the Professor as this helpless victim that I saw when he was originally vaporized. My views kind of changed after I tried imagining how I would feel were I put in Jean's position.

You could tell she was being annoyed by the Professor trying to get into her head, and to be honest, it would kinda piss me off too if I was her. After all, it was his psychic blocks that put her into that position to begin with, that would've pissed me off a lot if someone chose to do that to me. And if I knew someone was tinkering around in my head trying to restore those blocks, I'd vaporize them too if they didn't get out of my head. I mean honestly, wouldn't you be pretty pissed off if someone was messing with your head and wouldn't get out after you told them twice? I kinda empathize with the Phoenix.

 

[XCharlieX]

lol the phoenix is a result of a mistake by Xavier true, but i think he did it with a protective mindset. I personally cant blame the professor... the woman can kill all of humanity in a flash and I think he was afraid if she kept screwing around with the neighbors cars like in the flashback, thered be serious consequences later in life.

 

[chaseter]

You know, after watching the movie several times, I've reached a different place emotionally then I was initially.

I really don't see the Professor as this helpless victim that I saw when he was originally vaporized. My views kind of changed after I tried imagining how I would feel were I put in Jean's position.

You could tell she was being annoyed by the Professor trying to get into her head, and to be honest, it would kinda piss me off too if I was her. After all, it was his psychic blocks that put her into that position to begin with, that would've pissed me off a lot if someone chose to do that to me. And if I knew someone was tinkering around in my head trying to restore those blocks, I'd vaporize them too if they didn't get out of my head. I mean honestly, wouldn't you be pretty pissed off if someone was messing with your head and wouldn't get out after you told them twice? I kinda empathize with the Phoenix.

Yea...lets all vaporize people when they try to help us. Next time I go to the doctor for help...he's a goner

The Pheonix killed Scott for no apparent reason. If the Professor was the only one going to stand up to her...I admire him greatly. I don't for one second empathize with the Phoenix. She was going to go and certainly went on a killing spree at the end. Had the Professor not tried anything...who knows who all she would of killed. I also think she killed her parents at their house....yea...lets all admire the Phoenix.

 

[XCharlieX]

The funny part is even Magneto at the end realized how stupid he was to harbor the phoenix.

 

[chaseter]

The funny part is even Magneto at the end realized how stupid he was to harbor the phoenix.

Yup...and he payed for it by loosing his BFF. He was all alone playing chess. Charles and Erik(no power Magneto) would of rekindled their friendship and Mags would of apologized for being an @ss for all those years.

 

[XCharlieX]

And might i say i love this explanation of phoenix 50 times more than an entity with a firebird appearance from space.

 

[ComicKoryn]

I wasn't so much saying that the Professor's intentions weren't coming from the right place, but rather that I understood where Jean was coming from. I mean, despite his protective measures, she still had no choice when it came to him confining her mind. He chose to unnaturally block out a large chunk of who she is, and had he not done that she may have evolved and grown into a person who was in control.

Personally, and this is where my point is coming from, if I was Jean and someone was trying to confine my mind and invading my personal thoughts, I would've been very upset. And at the end of the day, how else would she have been able to stop him? I don't know if her telepathy was as powerful as the Professors (it probably was), but he was being so stubborn about the whole thing he wouldn't even stop trying to get into her head. He was being annoying and used his good intentions as a guise to manipulate her. I'm not saying he wasn't trying to do the right thing, but that he was doing the wrong thing to Jean.

Also, she didn't really kill Scott on purpose (as far as I can tell). That was just something that occurred because she didn't have control and wasn't expecting the Phoenix to pop in and vaporize her boyfriend. Up until the Professor died, I didn't see anyone else die, all I saw was her levitating some books and making the kettle boil (that and the water jug bubble and the pots shake...she was probably trying to start her own Blue Man Group). So she might've been fine with just being in that house and not bothering anyone. Who knows? You know why we don't know, because ol' Charley assumed she'd go about killing everyone because he's a know-it-all.

 

[Mekleo33]

Howdy

Chuck was put in a no win situation for sure. Letting a little girl with that much power just go it alone isn't a good choice. Blocking her for life wasn't a good choice. I get the feeling Chuck was a bit scared of her. If at 18 he had tried to remove the blocks an let her be who she is I feel she still would have done the same thing. Phoenix is in both verses a power that isn't meant to be controled. Hatin on the man for his choice is also silly when none of us has ever been put in a situation like he was.

Mek

 

[TripXyDE]

I've seen X3 and most have, but for those few who haven't....I personally would have been PISSED to see this title. I mean really, it's rude.

But then again...this rightfully belongs to the "X-Men: The Last Stand (Spoilers)" --with emphasis on "SPOILERS" if one has not watched the movie & doesnt want to hav it spoiled for him, it wud be unwise 4 him to come to this domain

in my humble opinion, the thread title stands.

 

[micky-fox]

But then again...this rightfully belongs to the "X-Men: The Last Stand (Spoilers)" --with emphasis on "SPOILERS" if one has not watched the movie & doesnt want to hav it spoiled for him, it wud be unwise 4 him to come to this domain

in my humble opinion, the thread title stands.

Agreed.

 

[Drago]

You know, after watching the movie several times, I've reached a different place emotionally then I was initially.

I really don't see the Professor as this helpless victim that I saw when he was originally vaporized. My views kind of changed after I tried imagining how I would feel were I put in Jean's position.

You could tell she was being annoyed by the Professor trying to get into her head, and to be honest, it would kinda piss me off too if I was her. After all, it was his psychic blocks that put her into that position to begin with, that would've pissed me off a lot if someone chose to do that to me. And if I knew someone was tinkering around in my head trying to restore those blocks, I'd vaporize them too if they didn't get out of my head. I mean honestly, wouldn't you be pretty pissed off if someone was messing with your head and wouldn't get out after you told them twice? I kinda empathize with the Phoenix.

I'm glad to see someone else shares my view that Xavier isn't a saint. Magneto may be on the one extreme (not evil, though), Xavier is on the other- a majority of the time when your on an extreme with a binary issue it doesn't matter how good your intentions are, they'll probably get thrown out the window.

 

[TrailerMusic]

I've retitled this thread.

Oh, and this scene rocked my socks on so many levels.

Isnt it a little silly & to late now to be worried about the Select Few that hasnt seen it yet ? Sure I know other countries havent got it yet but heck if the Non Spoiler Forums will be merging with this Thread soon then I really dont see the point in worry about "The Others" at least after that happens